WTB
by Okalona. 03/28/24 07:44 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
31
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
118 registered members (NotsoBright, Whitebone, MountainTopHunter, JD_Bowhunter1976, rrice0725, canvasback, Roondog, 7PTSPREAD, Longtine, jwalker77, furnfeather, Keysbowman, limabean, BearBranch, GATA87, tmhrmh1, canine933, JohnG, 4ssss, CKyleC, 7x57_Mauser, Snuffy, Red Fox, BrandonClark, MarkAlan, pkcole, slippinlipjr, Turkey, fish_blackbass, beetrapper, Joe4majors, Chaser357, longshot, sawdust, Stu, abolt300, AustinC, aucivil, Mbrock, M48scout, therealhojo, AU7MM08, bward85, 3Gs, Mmiller, Turkey_neck, Justice, jsubrett6, HollerHunter, Reaper, doghouse, ALMODUX, handgunner, Treelimb, curt99rsv, Paxamus, Fl Panhandler, Floorman1, Bama_Bow_Hunter, mcninja, Pwyse, Semo, Chipnalong, Fishduck, CeeHawk37, JAT, Skullworks, GomerPyle, BCLC, outdoorguy88, seminole1, goodman_hunter, tombo51, Morris, hallb, JustHunt, eclipse829, Jbf, Ridge Life, auman, hunter84, odocoileus, green river 123, Jason Carroll, Geeb, Todd1700, donia, Young20, Blessed, SwampHunter, stl32, Dean, BobK, Big AL 76, DoubleB, Big Bore, JLMiller, hunterturf, robinhedd, Bows4evr, Woodsman42, Jdkprp70, AUjerbear, geeb1, Hammertime7v2, JA, clayk, 11 invisible),
510
guests, and 0
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Baiting Bill in Legislature
#285150
02/15/12 02:32 PM
02/15/12 02:32 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/...S=HB322-int.pdfHB322 2 127933-2 3 By Representatives Boman and Givan 4 RFD: Agriculture and Forestry 5 First Read: 14-FEB-12 Page 0 1 127933-2:n:02/10/2012:FC/th LRS2011-1454R1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 SYNOPSIS: Under existing law, by regulation of the 9 Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, 10 hunting of game may not take place where feeding 11 has taken place until all feed has been removed or 12 consumed for at least 10 days prior to hunting. 13 This bill would provide for the voluntary 14 feeding of game by spincast, broadcast, or any 15 other container feeder at any time during the year 16 and would require permits for use of each feeder. 17 This bill would not affect the ability of a person 18 to operate a feeder for purposes other than hunting 19 game. 20 The bill would set the amount of the fee for 21 a permit for each feeder and provide for the 22 deposit of the funds in the Game and Fish Fund of 23 the Department of Conservation and Natural 24 Resources. 25 The bill would also provide penalties for 26 violations. Page 1 1 Amendment 621 of the Constitution of Alabama 2 of 1901 prohibits a general law whose purpose or 3 effect would be to require a new or increased 4 expenditure of local funds from becoming effective 5 with regard to a local governmental entity without 6 enactment by a 2/3 vote unless: it comes within one 7 of a number of specified exceptions; it is approved 8 by the affected entity; or the Legislature 9 appropriates funds, or provides a local source of 10 revenue, to the entity for the purpose. 11 The purpose or effect of this bill would be 12 to require a new or increased expenditure of local 13 funds within the meaning of Amendment 621. However, 14 the bill does not require approval of a local 15 governmental entity or enactment by a 2/3 vote to 16 become effective because it comes within one of the 17 specified exceptions contained in Amendment 621. 18 19 A BILL 20 TO BE ENTITLED 21 AN ACT 22 23 To provide for the feeding of game by spincast, 24 broadcast, or any container feeders; to require a permit for 25 each spincast, broadcast, or container feeder; to prescribe 26 the fees for each permit; and to prescribe penalties for 27 violation of the act; to supersede Sections 9-11-244 and Page 2 1 9-11-245, Code of Alabama 1975, for any activity in compliance 2 with this act; and in connection therewith would have as its 3 purpose or effect the requirement of a new or increased 4 expenditure of local funds within the meaning of Amendment 621 5 of the Constitution of Alabama of 1901. 6 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA: 7 Section 1. The Department of Conservation and 8 Natural Resources shall allow the feeding of game by spincast, 9 broadcast, or container feeders and shall issue permits for 10 spincast, broadcast, or container feeders each year for the 11 entire year. For the purposes of this act, the term "game 12 feeder" shall mean only a spincast, broadcast, or container 13 game feeder. 14 Section 2. The judge of probate, license 15 commissioner, or other county official who issues licenses in 16 the county may be duly appointed by the Commissioner of 17 Conservation and Natural Resources to issue permits pursuant 18 to this act. All permits issued shall be dated when issued and 19 shall authorize the individual named on the permit to operate 20 a game feeder for the feeding of game during hunting season or 21 for one calendar year. The permits shall be numbered 22 consecutively at the time they are printed and shall be 23 furnished by the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural 24 Resources. The issuing official shall sign the permit and the 25 individual requesting the permit shall also sign on the margin 26 of the permit. The official issuing the permit shall keep in a 27 book or on specially prepared sheets furnished by the Page 3 1 Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources a correct 2 and complete record of all permits issued, which record shall 3 remain in the office of the issuing official and shall be open 4 to inspection by the public at all reasonable times. 5 Section 3. (a) An individual may procure a separate 6 permit to operate each game feeder by filing an application 7 with the county license issuing official in the county in 8 which the feeder will be located, stating his or her name, 9 age, place of residence, and mailing address. The individual 10 receiving a permit shall be issued a numbered decal to be 11 placed on the game feeder to correspond with the number of the 12 permit. The cost for issuance of a permit to operate a game 13 feeder effective for one year shall be twenty dollars ($20). 14 Initially, a permit may be purchased August 1, following the 15 effective date of this act, through October 15, following the 16 effective date of this act. Thereafter, a permit may be 17 purchased in each subsequent year from February 1st through 18 March 15th. 19 (b) In addition to the prescribed cost of each 20 permit in subsection (a), there shall be a five dollar ($5) 21 issuance fee for each permit issued, to be collected by the 22 issuing official and retained by the official to be paid into 23 the general fund of the county issuing the permit. 24 Section 4. The use of each feeder permitted pursuant 25 to this act shall be subject to all of the following: 26 (1) The contents of a game feeder shall contain at 27 least 15 percent protein. Page 4 1 (2) No game feeder permit shall be issued to be 2 operated upon any privately owned land without the written 3 consent of the owner or individual in lawful possession of the 4 land. 5 (3) No male whitetail deer harvested using this 6 feeding program may have less than three one-inch points above 7 the hairline on one side. However, this restriction does not 8 apply to hunters under the age of 16 or a licensed hunter who 9 is legally handicapped. 10 (4) No feeder may be placed within 500 feet of a 11 public road. 12 (5) The requirements of this act are for hunting 13 purposes only and shall be a part of an overall deer 14 management program. This act does not affect or place 15 obligations on any person that desires to feed game for any 16 reason other than hunting. 17 (6) Each feeder shall be located within 200 yards of 18 a prepared seedbed wildlife food plot or green field during 19 the deer hunting season and the field shall be at least 1 acre 20 in size. A waiver of this requirement may be applied for with 21 the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources on leased 22 property that has a written prohibition on the clearing of 23 land. 24 (7) Each feeder shall be located at least 300 feet 25 from any adjacent property line. 26 (8) Feeders used on property during deer or turkey 27 season may be hunted over if the hunter is 100 yards or more Page 5 1 from the feeder and the feeder is out of the hunter's line of 2 sight. 3 Section 5. A violation of this act constitutes a 4 misdemeanor, and upon conviction, an individual shall be fined 5 not less than three hundred dollars ($300) nor more than five 6 hundred dollars ($500) for each violation. 7 Section 6. All revenue received from fees except the 8 issuance fees under this act shall be forwarded by the issuing 9 official to the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural 10 Resources on the first day of each month and shall be 11 deposited into the Game and Fish Fund of the Department of 12 Conservation and Natural Resources. All revenue received from 13 fines and penalties for violations of this act shall be 14 forwarded to the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural 15 Resources by the trial court on the first day of each month to 16 be deposited into the Game and Fish Fund of the Department of 17 Conservation and Natural Resources. 18 Section 7. The Commissioner of Conservation and 19 Natural Resources may promulgate rules and regulations to 20 carry out this act. In addition to this authority, the State 21 Veterinarian in agreement with the Commissioner of Agriculture 22 and Industries and the Commissioner of Conservation and 23 Natural Resources may declare an emergency because of disease 24 or other outbreak and suspend this feeding program. 25 Section 8. This act is voluntary for hunters. 26 Hunters not wanting to participate are under no obligations or 27 restrictions of this act. Page 6 1 Section 9. Although this bill would have as its 2 purpose or effect the requirement of a new or increased 3 expenditure of local funds, the bill is excluded from further 4 requirements and application under Amendment 621 because the 5 bill defines a new crime or amends the definition of an 6 existing crime. 7 Section 10. All laws or parts of laws which conflict 8 with this act are repealed. Sections 9-11-244 and 9-11-245, 9 Code of Alabama 1975, shall not apply to any activity in 10 compliance with this act. 11 Section 11. This act shall become effective 12 immediately following its passage and approval by the 13 Governor, or its otherwise becoming law.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285169
02/15/12 02:51 PM
02/15/12 02:51 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
If I'm reading that correctly, the state will collect a permit fee of $50 per feeder by March 15th of next year.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285172
02/15/12 02:54 PM
02/15/12 02:54 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
Hmmmm..."(1) The contents of a game feeder shall contain at least 15 percent protein"
Wonder what people are going to have to add to their corn?
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285174
02/15/12 02:57 PM
02/15/12 02:57 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
LOL...
"(8) Feeders used on property during deer or turkey season may be hunted over if the hunter is 100 yards or more from the feeder and the feeder is out of the hunter's line of sight."
So, we'll have baiting allowed, but you're not allowed to be able to see the feeder?
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285200
02/15/12 03:18 PM
02/15/12 03:18 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092
alabama
|
a 4x8 sheet of plywood will solve that line of sight thingy.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BhamFred]
#285237
02/15/12 03:52 PM
02/15/12 03:52 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
a 4x8 sheet of plywood will solve that line of sight thingy..... Leave it to the crusty ol' GW to come up with the solution.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: WhitetailChaser]
#285265
02/15/12 04:19 PM
02/15/12 04:19 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
When is this Bill scheduled to be reviewed and voted upon?? Anyone know? referred to Agriculture and Forestry Committee, meeting time not yet determined.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BamaRich]
#285299
02/15/12 05:04 PM
02/15/12 05:04 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
The club I'm in is already in discussion of the ramifications it's going to cause. Private sections, anyone?
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Blessed]
#285341
02/15/12 06:01 PM
02/15/12 06:01 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
Montgomery is crooked just like the rest of the Political world . ^^^
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285344
02/15/12 06:10 PM
02/15/12 06:10 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377
Marshall County
|
I'm on the phone with Gov Bentley. You guys won't me to tell him anything....?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285387
02/15/12 07:13 PM
02/15/12 07:13 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,885 St. Clair County
Big Jack
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,885
St. Clair County
|
Dan Moultrie has stayed out of the discussions that I have heard in the past and since he has been on the board, like the gentleman that he is. I thought he sold Moultrie shortly after he was appointed and had since acted as a "consultant". Thats a very common practice for folks that sell out of a business like that. I seriously doubt that it will pass. If it does after they get through with it there will be no resemblance to what is proposed. I dang sure object to them telling me where I can put it, on my own property, just as I do someone telling me where I can place a dam stand or shoot my gun.
"Its a damn weak minded person who can only think of one way to spell a work." Andrew Jackson
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285408
02/15/12 07:33 PM
02/15/12 07:33 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377
Marshall County
|
I may be wrong, but I don't think the CAB had anything to do with this. I think it was a state rep from Wadley, or some town that starts with a W...
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Big Jack]
#285411
02/15/12 07:35 PM
02/15/12 07:35 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
Dan Moultrie has stayed out of the discussions that I have heard in the past and since he has been on the board, like the gentleman that he is. I thought he sold Moultrie shortly after he was appointed and had since acted as a "consultant". Thats a very common practice for folks that sell out of a business like that. Just because he sold out of it doesn't mean he doesn't still have a financial stake in it. Many terms of corporate sales such as that include stock options that are directly related to the wellbeing of the company going forward. Basically, just because he isn't still the principal owner of the company, doesn't mean he's not benefitting if they do well. That said, I do not know Dan Moultrie, nor know what the terms of his sale were.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: FurFlyin]
#285415
02/15/12 07:39 PM
02/15/12 07:39 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
I may be wrong, but I don't think the CAB had anything to do with this. I think it was a state rep from Wadley, or some town that starts with a W... Daniel Boman is from Fayette who was elected as a Republican, then switched to the Democrat party after being elected. Juandalynn "Lee Lee" Givan is a black female from Birmingham. Those are your two sponsors of the bill in the legislature. Something is ROTTEN in Montgomery.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: FurFlyin]
#285417
02/15/12 07:41 PM
02/15/12 07:41 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547 Panhandle Florida
PaschalBD
Used to be TiderBD
|
Used to be TiderBD
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547
Panhandle Florida
|
This law will be a way for game wardens to write tickets that won't get thrown out and for DNCR to generate more revenue.
It's as though there saying....you want to hunt over bait...fine...but we're gonna make it tough to do and we're gonna hit you in the wallet.
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
USAF Veteran
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285439
02/15/12 08:05 PM
02/15/12 08:05 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938 Over Yonder
Clem
Mildly Quirky
|
Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938
Over Yonder
|
I'll bet the DCNR and CAB members and probably the deer biologists and game wardens, and maybe a legisslater, all got together over big ceegars and fat wimmens and started throwing ideas against the wall.
"Hey, throw in a 100-yard line of sight clause!"
"Who has the biggest shoe in the room? Size 15? OK, make the protein have to be 15 percent!"
Then they all went to a Biscuits game and had a jolly time.
This bill reeks of the last few baiting bills that were introduced. Similar requirements - distance, protein percentage, etc. None of them passed, either.
Certainly will be interesting to see how this one does with Corky retired and not rattling around in the Statehouse like he and Charles did for almost 50 years.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: timbercruiser]
#285451
02/15/12 08:19 PM
02/15/12 08:19 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938 Over Yonder
Clem
Mildly Quirky
|
Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938
Over Yonder
|
run a disc around in the edge of the woods if your plot isn't up to the one acre magic number That's a darn good idea.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: hunterbuck]
#285482
02/15/12 08:46 PM
02/15/12 08:46 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
I may be wrong, but I don't think the CAB had anything to do with this. I think it was a state rep from Wadley, or some town that starts with a W... Daniel Boman is from Fayette who was elected as a Republican, then switched to the Democrat party after being elected. Juandalynn "Lee Lee" Givan is a black female from Birmingham. Those are your two sponsors of the bill in the legislature. Something is ROTTEN in Montgomery. I'm just going to go ahead and assume this Givan lady doesn't hunt, so why the heck does she have anything to do with it. This is 100% BS from a anti baiter or a baiter. Good luck Mr. Solo game warden who is expected to cover an entire county and now verify that said buck is killed precisely 200 yds from, 1 acre foodplot, 300 feet from property line, and the horns have to have 3 on one side measuring 1" min. (why, what's the point in the measly stupid arse rule)? My gosh, that just don't sound very enforceable, BUT MAYBE THAT's JUST ME.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: PaschalBD]
#285487
02/15/12 08:50 PM
02/15/12 08:50 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
This law will be a way for game wardens to write tickets that won't get thrown out and for DNCR to generate more revenue.
It's as though there saying....you want to hunt over bait...fine...but we're gonna make it tough to do and we're gonna hit you in the wallet.
I see it differently. I see it as a money machine for the state but not from writing tickets, but from the sale of corn and feeders and feeder permits. I see it as a way to legalize baiting but to appease the anti baiters they are making all these BS rules that everyone knows can't be enforced. And at least 15% protein???? Even during the winter??? WHY??? shows how little the idiots know that are proposing this crap.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#285494
02/15/12 08:56 PM
02/15/12 08:56 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547 Panhandle Florida
PaschalBD
Used to be TiderBD
|
Used to be TiderBD
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547
Panhandle Florida
|
This law will be a way for game wardens to write tickets that won't get thrown out and for DNCR to generate more revenue.
It's as though there saying....you want to hunt over bait...fine...but we're gonna make it tough to do and we're gonna hit you in the wallet.
I see it differently. I see it as a money machine for the state but not from writing tickets, but from the sale of corn and feeders and feeder permits. I see it as a way to legalize baiting but to appease the anti baiters they are making all these BS rules that everyone knows can't be enforced. And at least 15% protein???? Even during the winter??? WHY??? shows how little the idiots know that are proposing this crap. Good points
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
USAF Veteran
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285500
02/15/12 08:58 PM
02/15/12 08:58 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517 Land of the free because of th...
mike35549
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517
Land of the free because of th...
|
I am not sure why they would specify 15% protien all the time. If you were going to do this wouldn't it be better to feed corn in winter and switch to protein in the spring.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285504
02/15/12 09:01 PM
02/15/12 09:01 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494 Jefferson
Fun4all
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494
Jefferson
|
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
They left out one thing, you have to have permanent metal tags affixed to the deer's antlers before moving the deer and the tag shall never be removed no matter what the circumstance!! You know just to make sure to have something that is enforcable and all.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Damn, I just can't stop laughing.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Bring on the Encyclopedia Britanica's world of Rules, regulations and laws.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
Sorry, I passed out for a moment!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Dquailhunter]
#285507
02/15/12 09:02 PM
02/15/12 09:02 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174 South Alabama
gobbler
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174
South Alabama
|
Can they honestly make something anymore complicated? That's the exact problem with the legislature making game laws. I will be willing to bet that the CAB has nothing to do with it. Haven't heard from 49R but I bet the "anti hunting" group, the Alabama Wildlife Federation, will lobby HARD against it.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285557
02/15/12 09:33 PM
02/15/12 09:33 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,052 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,052
Sylacauga, AL
|
I really wouldn't care too much about whether it passed or not if they hadn't included turkeys in it. All a fellow's work to improve turkey habitat can be rendered useless by neighbors with feeders, and it sure won't require much skill to kill one if you can set up 100 yds from the feeder.
I'm thinking they are gonna need to cut the length of turkey season and probably reduce the limit if this gets approved.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#285564
02/15/12 09:37 PM
02/15/12 09:37 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
Be interesting to see who's been contributing to Ms. Givan and Mr. Boman lately. Both above and below the table. What does Ms. Givan know about protein needs of deer, food plots etc. I'm betting nothing.
This thing stinks. Like someone else posted this is bad for both those that are both for and against baiting. It's written for a small, narrow group. Average Joe club and even the average land owner that wants an aid to properly manage his herd can't use this foolishness! Hopefully this will not pass.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: burbank]
#285620
02/15/12 10:33 PM
02/15/12 10:33 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
Just crap. I can see the land line issue, the others are just plain stupid. Money grab, plain and simple. I might be wrong, but I don't see it as a $ grab for the State or they would charge more for the permit. I think it's for a specific group, and they told the bill sponsors what they wanted the fee to be and how to word the bill. The GWs could fill the court rooms up with baiters now if they wanted to. IMHO If the State wanted to generate $ all they'd have to say is you can use any feed you want, as many sites as you want, wide open baiting. Permit for each site about $50 each, Whoa Nellie!
Last edited by 2Dogs; 02/15/12 10:38 PM.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: trox28]
#285646
02/15/12 11:05 PM
02/15/12 11:05 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
I got a good feeling this is pretty much a done deal though.Might as well get ready for it. Relax, its not a done deal. Its just another ploy by a local land owner trying to sell hunts who bribed his local legislature to even bring up the bill in the first place. The way the bill is written its pretty clear that is what is going on here.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285739
02/16/12 07:57 AM
02/16/12 07:57 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,172 Trussville, Al
Jpipererp
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,172
Trussville, Al
|
I promise you this. If it passes I will have a feeder on every stinkin point and draw of my land as long as the yardage applies. I can think of two spots that I could film a frickin tv show on if there were feeders. This is a good deal for us clear cut leasees. We don't get to plant fields on most clear cut properties. I will take it any way I can get it at first. Once it's in then we can lobby to "adjust" the law. This will also help me get our less fortunate hunters some better odds when we take them out.
Ignorant question here so please be gentle.... if it is passed, will this have an effect on the hog populations?
Last edited by Jpipererp; 02/16/12 08:05 AM.
Bass Bandito
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jmj120]
#285779
02/16/12 09:23 AM
02/16/12 09:23 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
Stupidest crap I've ever read. So how is a GW supposed to determine the material being fed is 15% protein. Idiots. You are not getting it, this bill is a bill proposed by a wealthy deer seller who sells deer hunts and who has obviously bribed some representatives to introduce the bill. There is no way that a regular deer hunter or even a middle-tier deer hunt seller can comply with what this bill proposes. Its obviously a blatant attempt by one or two guys to corner the market on Alabama Deer Hunts. I bet with a minimum of basic investigation it will be easy to figure who put this bill in front of these corrupt representatives.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Jpipererp]
#285794
02/16/12 09:39 AM
02/16/12 09:39 AM
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 244 Northport, AL
BamaRich
4 point
|
4 point
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 244
Northport, AL
|
I promise you this. If it passes I will have a feeder on every stinkin point and draw of my land as long as the yardage applies. I can think of two spots that I could film a frickin tv show on if there were feeders. This is a good deal for us clear cut leasees. We don't get to plant fields on most clear cut properties. I will take it any way I can get it at first. Once it's in then we can lobby to "adjust" the law. This will also help me get our less fortunate hunters some better odds when we take them out.
Ignorant question here so please be gentle.... if it is passed, will this have an effect on the hog populations? The way it's written, you have to place the feeder within 200 yards of a one-acre food plot. Not sure how that's going to help you.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: trox28]
#285799
02/16/12 09:45 AM
02/16/12 09:45 AM
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 244 Northport, AL
BamaRich
4 point
|
4 point
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 244
Northport, AL
|
Just another stupid ass reason to ticket hunters.You can bait...you have to be 100 yards away from the bait..the bait can't be in your view...its gotta be 100 yards from a food plot...its gotta be 300 yards from the joining property..And if you get caught you can get a ticket between 3 and 500 bucks if your not obiding by the rules...very confusing...I'll stick to my clearcut.I got a good feeling this is pretty much a done deal though.Might as well get ready for it. Most clubs in Alabama are going to be affected by this legislation because on at least one of their borders, a landowner/leasee will be feeding. Clubs that say "we don't have to feed" may do well if they have enough bedding areas, if they have enough acorns, or if they have enough area. However, if something changes in regards to these things (i.e. no acorns one fall), it will have an affect upon the club's harvest that year. If this was legal in 2010, we'd likely not have seen many deer whatsoever on our place... we had no white oak acorns and food plots were destroyed by December 1.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BamaRich]
#285803
02/16/12 09:50 AM
02/16/12 09:50 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
I don't think it's quite that clear Skinny... the drafting part of this piece of legislation was not done by those in the deer industry. Granted, what you're saying may factor into it, but this bill went through more channels... and many had input into its creation/writing. So who had the input? I would like to talk to them.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Jpipererp]
#285805
02/16/12 09:51 AM
02/16/12 09:51 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
if it is passed, will this have an effect on the hog populations? Bunch of Hog Zillas. I bet the hog hunters are behind it, wanting deer hunters to feed out their hogs.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285806
02/16/12 09:53 AM
02/16/12 09:53 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
Stupidest crap I've ever read. So how is a GW supposed to determine the material being fed is 15% protein. Idiots. You are not getting it, this bill is a bill proposed by a wealthy deer seller who sells deer hunts and who has obviously bribed some representatives to introduce the bill. There is no way that a regular deer hunter or even a middle-tier deer hunt seller can comply with what this bill proposes. Its obviously a blatant attempt by one or two guys to corner the market on Alabama Deer Hunts. I bet with a minimum of basic investigation it will be easy to figure who put this bill in front of these corrupt representatives. You are correct, sirs.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285850
02/16/12 10:21 AM
02/16/12 10:21 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,172 Trussville, Al
Jpipererp
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,172
Trussville, Al
|
Does the bill specify what types of protein feed are allowed? seems to me that you can do this like you do with cows. cornfed with some heavy minerals and protein added. If you have to buy those stinkin bags of "sweet feed" its gonna suck. co-ops are gonna have to hire more employees
Bass Bandito
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285851
02/16/12 10:22 AM
02/16/12 10:22 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 10,447
abolt300
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 10,447
|
Guys this one is gonna pass. They basically copied Mississippi's 2011 feeder regulations word for word. Precedence is set and in place.
Unfortunately, it is written to pass and will. Here is the excerpt from MS feeder regulations for 2011. They basically copied it word for word. Straight out of MS handbook:
It shall be lawful to feed deer, year round, on private lands subject to the following restrictions:
• Feed may only be provided from above ground covered feeders or stationary spin cast feeders. • Feed allowed in feeders: ◦ Complete Pelletized Ration: ■ October 1 - November 30 ■ March 1 - June 30 ■ Corn may be used and/or added to the Complete Pelletized Ration: ■ July 1 - September 30 ■ December 1 - the last day in February •Feeders may be placed no closer than 100 yards from any property boundary. •Feed may not be poured, piled, or placed directly on the ground. •Salt/mineral stations, blocks, and/or licks may be established. A Complete Pelletized Ration is defined as a feed mixture in the form of a pellet that is nutritionally adequate for deer and containing at least 16% crude protein with a mixture of crude fat, crude fiber, vitamins, minerals, and does not contain any animal byproducts.
To hunt within the vicinity of a feeder hunters must be both: at least 100 yards away from, and not within the line of sight of feed or a feeder which contains feed. For the purpose of this regulation, not within the line of sight means being hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally occurring terrain features.
This regulation does not apply to:
1. Food plots, standing crops, grain crops properly shucked on the field where grown, or grains found scattered solely as the result of normal agricultural planting or harvesting. 2.Lands where shelled, shucked, or unshucked corn, wheat or other grain, salt, or other feed has been distributed or scattered as the result of bona fide agricultural operations or procedures, or as a result of manipulation of a crop or other feed on the land where grown for wildlife management purposes. Manipulation of crops or other feed for wildlife management purposes does not include the adding, distributing, or scattering of grain or other feed (i.e., sweet potatoes, turnips, etc.) once it has been removed from or stored on the field where grown. 3.Feeders within the curtilage of the home. "Curtilage of the home" means the area encompassing the grounds immediately surrounding any home or group of homes used in the daily activities of domestic life, and may or may not be enclosed by a fence or other barrier.
Hunting Seasons & Limits
Weekly Duck Migration
Weekly Waterfowl Reports
Food Plots
Fully Enclosed Deer Stands
Magnolia Records
View All Topics
Personally, I rather see them adopt Miss's buck harvest regulations rather than their baiting regs but, as usual, the almighty dollar drives the train.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285858
02/16/12 10:28 AM
02/16/12 10:28 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
Anyone find it odd that there has been little/no comment from some of the ones here who have openly supported legalizing baiting?
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: abolt300]
#285865
02/16/12 10:35 AM
02/16/12 10:35 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997 Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
|
Abolt300, Unfortunately, it is written to pass and will. Here is the excerpt from MS feeder regulations for 2011. They basically copied it word for word. Straight out of MS handbook:
I don't agree with your description. There are similarities. Hunterbuck, Anyone find it odd that there has been little/no comment from some of the ones here who have openly supported legalizing baiting? I have openly supported either fixing current laws or trashing them. This bill is trash as well. It don't fix anything. It just makes things worse.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: hunterbuck]
#285870
02/16/12 10:41 AM
02/16/12 10:41 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 10,447
abolt300
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 10,447
|
Anyone find it odd that there has been little/no comment from some of the ones here who have openly supported legalizing baiting? Not gonna affect most of the ones supporting it. We're in Alabama, chances are large portion of them were already baiting anyway. Now it will just be legal. If anything, I was expecting to start seeing complaints show up cause some of them will now have to go buy a feeder instead of just throwing it on the ground. Not in any way disrespecting the law abiding citizens that wanted the ability to bait with that first sentence. In some situations they probably want the ability to keep their deer from getting baited illegaly off their property which is a valid argument and has been happening for years. Without a complaint, a blind eye has been turned to the hunting over corn issue for years in AL. Too much land, too many hunters, not enough game wardens to keep it in check.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: abolt300]
#285880
02/16/12 10:53 AM
02/16/12 10:53 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
Anyone find it odd that there has been little/no comment from some of the ones here who have openly supported legalizing baiting? Not gonna affect most of the ones supporting it. We're in Alabama, chances are large portion of them were already baiting anyway. Now it will just be legal. If anything, I was expecting to start seeing complaints show up cause some of them will now have to go buy a feeder instead of just throwing it on the ground. Not in any way disrespecting the law abiding citizens that wanted the ability to bait with that first sentence. In some situations they probably want the ability to keep their deer from getting baited illegaly off their property which is a valid argument and has been happening for years. Without a complaint, a blind eye has been turned to the hunting over corn issue for years in AL. Too much land, too many hunters, not enough game wardens to keep it in check. Not going to name names, but there are two or three specific ones that I was thinking of with that statement.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285910
02/16/12 11:31 AM
02/16/12 11:31 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
Anyone notice how the one's that are ALWAYS openly vocal against baiting are complaining the loudest because of this???? If you are against baiting, you are against ANYTHING that will legalize it. So, carry on!
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#285924
02/16/12 11:45 AM
02/16/12 11:45 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
Anyone notice how the one's that are ALWAYS openly vocal against baiting are complaining the loudest because of this???? If you are against baiting, you are against ANYTHING that will legalize it. So, carry on! Not true, I really dont care if baiting is legal or not. I however do care about a law being passed the only allows those with the ways and means to do it legally can do it. How on earth can a guy who leases 100 acres legally pull off baiting the way this bill is written? Or what about those who hunt public land? This seems like a bill that is written for only those people who own enough land to do it. Baiting for the privileged? And just before any of you call me out, I am one of those privileged who own enough land to do this legally under the way the thing is written.
Last edited by Skinny; 02/16/12 11:47 AM.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Blessed]
#285928
02/16/12 11:47 AM
02/16/12 11:47 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
Would you please take the time to explain to me EXACTLY what these things you describe have to do with HUNTING??? fertilizing brows , fertilizing acorn trees , honeysuckle , etc You are describing BAITING to a 'T'.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#285931
02/16/12 11:49 AM
02/16/12 11:49 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
Would you please take the time to explain to me EXACTLY what these things you describe have to do with HUNTING??? fertilizing brows , fertilizing acorn trees , honeysuckle , etc You are describing BAITING to a 'T'. Like I said hardhead, the problem isnt weather baiting is legal or not. Its about large tract private landowners vs small tract owners/leasers.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285934
02/16/12 11:50 AM
02/16/12 11:50 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
Anyone notice how the one's that are ALWAYS openly vocal against baiting are complaining the loudest because of this???? If you are against baiting, you are against ANYTHING that will legalize it. So, carry on! Not true, I really dont care if baiting is legal or not. I however do care about a law being passed the only allows those with the ways and means to do it legally can do it. How on earth can a guy who leases 100 acres legally pull off baiting the way this bill is written? Or what about those who hunt public land? This seems like a bill that is written for only those people who own enough land to do it. Baiting for the privileged? And just before any of you call me out, I am one of those privileged who own enough land to do this legally under the way the thing is written. I understand your line of reasoning, and you are conveying your concerns as such......and they are valid! But, I think that it is gonna pass sooner or later. And, when it does, there are STILL going to be a lot of people who will find fault with it no matter how it is written. I am pretty sure that it does NOT say that you have to bait!
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285935
02/16/12 11:50 AM
02/16/12 11:50 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
Not true, I really dont care if baiting is legal or not. I however do care about a law being passed the only allows those with the ways and means to do it legally can do it. How on earth can a guy who leases 100 acres legally pull off baiting the way this bill is written? Or what about those who hunt public land? This seems like a bill that is written for only those people who own enough land to do it. Baiting for the privileged? Agree, Skinny. I am on the record as being dead set against baiting. That aside, this bill is written exactly the way Skinny says it is. It is written to cater to people with deep pockets, and was probably bribed into legislation by those same people. The bill reads as some rich folks saying "We want to be able to bait legally, but we don't want anyone else to".
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#285972
02/16/12 12:24 PM
02/16/12 12:24 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
Yep, TD if you put out several feeders and follow "the letter of the law" could run into real money. Most of us don't have big bucks to spend on big bucks.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285982
02/16/12 12:33 PM
02/16/12 12:33 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,770 Florida
jacannon
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,770
Florida
|
The way I read this you could do it on 40 acres. The feeder must be within 2oo yds of a 1 acre prepared seedbed. I take that to mean less than 200 yds. and not in your line of sight,100 yds of a property line. You could have the feeder on the edge of a plot and have it covered with natural vegatation. Just my 2 cents...
Grandma said...Always keep a gun close at hand, you just never know when you might run across some varmint that needs killing...
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#285983
02/16/12 12:35 PM
02/16/12 12:35 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,641 Henry county
coldtrail
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,641
Henry county
|
the poor man will be dumping more corn on the ground to compete, more arguing and fussing about who owns the deer.
They'll probably be a new reality show in the fall called FEEDER WARS. probably be a pretty good show.
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jacannon]
#285984
02/16/12 12:36 PM
02/16/12 12:36 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
You could have the feeder on the edge of a plot and have it covered with natural vegatation. or a sheet of plywood, or some politician signs which I pick up every year for shooting houses.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#285985
02/16/12 12:36 PM
02/16/12 12:36 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997 Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
|
1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider. Do you really believe the baiting issue is about ethics? What's the ethical difference in killing game animals with the aid of bait using a depredation permit or using a baiting permit described in this bill? Then there's the issue about allowing hunting over some food sources designed to attract game while calling the use of others unethical. If you had a government permit to steal or lie, would that make it ethical?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#285990
02/16/12 12:39 PM
02/16/12 12:39 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
It is LEGAL to buy a Lamborghini right now.
But, if you can't afford it....
Nevermind, makes WAAYYYY too much sense to fit into all these arguments! What ADVANTAGE would one driving a Lamborghini back and forth to work, schoool, church, etc have over someone not driving a Lamborghini back and forth? Your arguement doesn't address the concern from some that it gives those with means a decided advantage over those without the means to take on the added expense.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: 49er]
#285993
02/16/12 12:42 PM
02/16/12 12:42 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
Do you really believe the baiting issue is about ethics?
If you had a government permit to steal or lie, would that make it ethical?
Oh boy 49er, you just opened a can of worms. Mind you that the same people who want to pass this bill are the same people who are also figuring out how to spend our tax dollars on freeloaders who will vote for them.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: 49er]
#285995
02/16/12 12:46 PM
02/16/12 12:46 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider. Do you really believe the baiting issue is about ethics? What's the ethical difference in killing game animals with the aid of bait using a depredation permit or using a baiting permit described in this bill? Then there's the issue about allowing hunting over some food sources designed to attract game while calling the use of others unethical. If you had a government permit to steal or lie, would that make it ethical? I sure do, among other things. Is that crazy or what!?! Why? Do you believe hunting over bait in Alabama is ethical? Bait, by the state's definition not 49er's.
Last edited by truedouble; 02/16/12 12:46 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286001
02/16/12 12:49 PM
02/16/12 12:49 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,641 Henry county
coldtrail
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,641
Henry county
|
ethics and law are two different things.
When the law changes do your ethics change also??????????
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: coldtrail]
#286008
02/16/12 01:00 PM
02/16/12 01:00 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
ethics and law are two different things.
When the law changes do your ethics change also?????????? well actually in some cases laws and ethics match up pretty well. Although I realize that what's ethical to one man might not be ethical to another. no, and a good example of that is this proposed law...
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286011
02/16/12 01:03 PM
02/16/12 01:03 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353 Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
|
OP
GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,353
Luverne, AL
|
just getting ya'll back on topic, 49er can divert even when he doesnt mean too.
This law/program will only allow those with deep enough pockets to participate, thus making everyone else 2nd class deer hunters because they cant afford to bait like the big boys.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286019
02/16/12 01:21 PM
02/16/12 01:21 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,749 Home
Shuter II
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,749
Home
|
This law/program will only allow those with deep enough pockets to participate, thus making everyone else 2nd class deer hunters because they cant afford to bait like the big boys. But just think!!! Baiting will be a boon to the entire state's economy. Anytime more money is spent the better it will be for all of us. (Sarcasm dripping)
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: coldtrail]
#286060
02/16/12 02:19 PM
02/16/12 02:19 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
ethics and law are two different things.
When the law changes do your ethics change also?????????? ^^^ winner
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: longspur69]
#286140
02/16/12 04:31 PM
02/16/12 04:31 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
So if you have a 40 acre tract of land (Perfect square for instance) you would only be able to put the feeder on the center 4 acres (300 yards from property line, assuming you also have a 1 acre green field within 200 yards. No thanks. Josh, I think it's 100 yds (300ft) from the line. If so, that would give you a whopping 200x200 yd square (9 acres if I'm doing my math right) right in the center of your 40. I hope there isn't a large opening in the center of that 40 preventing you from "hiding" your feeder. This is most definitely not designed for the little guy. Skinny is all over what this proposal is about. It's about 8 1/4 acres...*IF* your property is a perfect square. If it isn't, you're probably SOL in terms of getting 100yds off the property line from every side.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286147
02/16/12 04:40 PM
02/16/12 04:40 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092
alabama
|
If this passes it will be a GWs worst enforcement nightmare...
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BhamFred]
#286151
02/16/12 04:46 PM
02/16/12 04:46 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 759 southwest alabama
aldoghunter
4 point
|
4 point
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 759
southwest alabama
|
If this passes it will be a GWs worst enforcement nightmare... I agree,but pass or not I hope the club I am in chooses not to bait,we have enough land that it should not bother us either way,we are already seeing it on our west border,the Miss. state line,and I can't tell that it made any difference at all.
Be safe & have fun
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286181
02/16/12 05:34 PM
02/16/12 05:34 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377
Marshall County
|
I spoke to our state Senator today. He stated that since this was a Democrat sponsored bill, it was likely dead in the water. Don't be buying stock in the feeder companies yet....
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286295
02/16/12 08:06 PM
02/16/12 08:06 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,740 Lake, Beach; Mountains & Woods...
Marlin_444
8 point
|
8 point
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,740
Lake, Beach; Mountains & Woods...
|
Just tell me how high I need to jump and how long I need to stay in the air...
*V*
Memento mori (Neck shot, 75 yards) - - I'll see you at the lake, around the beach, on the mountain & in the woods on this side or the other by & by.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: hallb]
#286401
02/16/12 10:22 PM
02/16/12 10:22 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
I'm for legalizing bait, but I think this is the stupidest thing ever. Might as well just kept it like it was. Bait doesn't really make hunting any easier...it's not like you just throw out a bag of corn and wait for the booners to come trotting in. I just don't like the government trying to control what we do and getting in the way of things and this is a prime example. not to get off the subject but if baiting doesn't make hunting easier then why do so many want it legalized and why are so many willing to spend thousands on putting out feeders and bait? I guarantee with a little restraint and not too much pressure you can pop does and bucks up to 2 1/2 relatively easy over feeders through out the season. Really lay off the trigger and with minimal pressure I think some would be surprised how many mature bucks would be shot at a feeder, especially on private property where there isn't a club.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#286402
02/16/12 10:22 PM
02/16/12 10:22 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 13,684 Hoover
burbank
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 13,684
Hoover
|
LMAO
All pretty weak arguments.
And, if you ever get past your emotions, you will see the same!!!
Not to mention, if this is being backed by High Dollar Outfitting Operations.......won't the astronomical financial burden that most are describing put them out of business?? They have about reached their plateau on pricing; so this cuts directly into their profit margin!
I think this is WAY more about the average guy that complains all Season long about the fact that he can't kill a trophy buck because he 'thinks' that all his neighbors are 'baiting' than any of you are willing to acknowledge! Just what the hell are you smoking? Usually you seem like a pretty rational guy. What about the law do you agree with? I don't think the anti folks are as upset as the pro bait folks. It's just a poorly written law. I just want them to us common sense if they pass a baiting bill. We all know it's coming one day. Do you agree folks are wrong to complain about the greenfield and 100 yard line of site rule??
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286518
02/17/12 08:00 AM
02/17/12 08:00 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
I think that if you get past emotions, and they are very evident in your tone, that you will see that all the little idiosyncrasies within the Bill is built in to address a common argument against baiting. While they are lame, so are the arguments. As has been stated numerous times, this thing is built to pass by addressing specific concerns that are commonly used against it. BTW, I have NOT said that I like it. I am simply a realist with an analytical mind. I can see WHY it is written the way it is!
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#286555
02/17/12 09:01 AM
02/17/12 09:01 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,739 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
|
Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,739
Elmore County
|
Has anyone looked into the detrimental effects that are being cried about on here??
I mean, all you have to do is call some of our neighbors right next door in MS. I have not heard any of the one's I know saying that the Sky has Fallen over there yet!!! i don't want it past on account of all the restriction and fees. if it passes the reg's may change but the fee will only go up and you know that . as for baiting i don't care if people do it , don't care if they are doing it illegally now .
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#286574
02/17/12 09:21 AM
02/17/12 09:21 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
^^^ correct, Put out several feeders and run that 15%+ feed through them, it'll run into real $, real quick! Heck, just corn at $7+ a bushel could lighten your wallet.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#286580
02/17/12 09:30 AM
02/17/12 09:30 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,739 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
|
Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,739
Elmore County
|
fees?????? how can you worry about fees? fees are about 1/20th the cost of feeding year around. I think some people are still thinking about pouring a bag of corn out on the ground. Baiting for the purpose of killing a deer is completely different than feeding deer year around. If you think you can afford to feed year around you shouldn't have to worry about the fees. uhmmmmmmm , i might not want to feed year round i might want to pore out corn for just three months . see thats what worry some of yall . lol
Last edited by Frankie; 02/17/12 09:32 AM.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Frankie]
#286590
02/17/12 09:39 AM
02/17/12 09:39 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
fees?????? how can you worry about fees? fees are about 1/20th the cost of feeding year around. I think some people are still thinking about pouring a bag of corn out on the ground. Baiting for the purpose of killing a deer is completely different than feeding deer year around. If you think you can afford to feed year around you shouldn't have to worry about the fees. uhmmmmmmm , i might not want to feed year round i might want to pore out corn for just three months . see thats what worry some of yall . lol Glad to see that I am not the only one to see through all the whining and crying!!!!! LOL
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Frankie]
#286596
02/17/12 09:45 AM
02/17/12 09:45 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
fees?????? how can you worry about fees? fees are about 1/20th the cost of feeding year around. I think some people are still thinking about pouring a bag of corn out on the ground. Baiting for the purpose of killing a deer is completely different than feeding deer year around. If you think you can afford to feed year around you shouldn't have to worry about the fees. uhmmmmmmm , i might not want to feed year round i might want to pore out corn for just three months . see thats what worry some of yall . lol yep, you and the remaining 95% of pro-baiters who's goal is really just to make killing does and immature bucks easier...
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jlbuc10]
#286606
02/17/12 09:56 AM
02/17/12 09:56 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
I dont see anything changing at all. The people that already bait are going to continue to bait and the people that dont bait will continue to not bait. Also a little something extra having bait out doesnt help that much i know people that hunt corn piles all year and dont hardly see a deer. All of you that have hunted over corn in alabama before know that corn doesnt equal success so if someone spends the time and money to bait, plus takes a chance of getting caught and paying a fine, but "dont hardly see a deer" then why do they continue to bait and why are they so intent on making it legal? I hear this argument all the time but it's hard for me to understand. If baiting really doesn't help then there are some real dumb arses out there throwing away their money year after year. I do realize that under most circumstances where hunting pressure is reasonably high, you aren't going to kill any more mature bucks b/c of bait, but I would guess that a lot of baiters aren't opposed to killing multiple immature bucks. All I'm saying is call it like it is.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#286608
02/17/12 10:01 AM
02/17/12 10:01 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
A spin-cast feeder throwing 2.5 lbs/feeding/twice daily=5 lbs/day.
A 30 gal feeder will easily hold 150 lbs of feed. At 5 lbs/day this will last 30 days (1 month).
75 lbs corn @ 8% protein + 75 lbs pelleted deer ration @ 21% protein = 150 lbs mix @ 15% protein.
Corn = $10.50 per 50 lbs 21% Deer Pellets = $22.00 per 50 lbs Total cost of mix = $48.50/month
If you elect to only feed for 4 months of Hunting, you are less than $200 per feeder for feed.
Now, granted there is the initial cost of the feeder. The prices vary widely!!! And, the $25 'fee'.....
But, either way.....it is NOT the thousands of dollars being proposed by some! I guess I read the bill wrong. I thought it said you would be required to feed 12 months out of the year.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286609
02/17/12 10:02 AM
02/17/12 10:02 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
JUST like the ones that are AGAINST 'baiting', but literally spend 10's of thousands of dollars on clearing land, buying tractors, adding lime, fertilizer, the BEST seeds, shooting houses, etc.....BUT, don't admit that they are 'baiting'.
Supplemental feeding is cheap compared to food plots!!!
That has been the most common argument AGAINST baiting up until now. People missed that while trying to justify their stance. LOL
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#286613
02/17/12 10:05 AM
02/17/12 10:05 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
A spin-cast feeder throwing 2.5 lbs/feeding/twice daily=5 lbs/day.
A 30 gal feeder will easily hold 150 lbs of feed. At 5 lbs/day this will last 30 days (1 month).
75 lbs corn @ 8% protein + 75 lbs pelleted deer ration @ 21% protein = 150 lbs mix @ 15% protein.
Corn = $10.50 per 50 lbs 21% Deer Pellets = $22.00 per 50 lbs Total cost of mix = $48.50/month
If you elect to only feed for 4 months of Hunting, you are less than $200 per feeder for feed.
Now, granted there is the initial cost of the feeder. The prices vary widely!!! And, the $25 'fee'.....
But, either way.....it is NOT the thousands of dollars being proposed by some!
5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jlbuc10]
#286614
02/17/12 10:05 AM
02/17/12 10:05 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,739 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
|
Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 15,739
Elmore County
|
I dont see anything changing at all. The people that already bait are going to continue to bait and the people that dont bait will continue to not bait. Also a little something extra having bait out doesnt help that much i know people that hunt corn piles all year and dont hardly see a deer. All of you that have hunted over corn in alabama before know that corn doesnt equal success ok , i don't know nothing about hunting over corn , might be great .myself , i put out corn before and after season to see whats there and what was left .been doing it for a few years now and myself have never taken a picture of a mature buck durning day light eating . i know some have but i aint. i've never hunted over bait i can't afford the fines . if they make baiting legal i won't , imo the deer will move less . i'll stick with my good green fields and summer plots .
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286616
02/17/12 10:11 AM
02/17/12 10:11 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092
alabama
|
supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation.
sitting over a pile of corn ain't deer hunting.....
but I rarely, almost never, sit on a greenfield either.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: 2Dogs]
#286626
02/17/12 10:21 AM
02/17/12 10:21 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
Would you mind going through the proposed Bill and finding me anything that requires you feed a certain amount?? THAT part is totally up to the person feeding! People are totally blowing this out of proportion!
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#286645
02/17/12 10:54 AM
02/17/12 10:54 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
Would you mind going through the proposed Bill and finding me anything that requires you feed a certain amount?? THAT part is totally up to the person feeding! People are totally blowing this out of proportion! Hogwild, what do YOU think most people will do? Put out trough feeders with an unlimited supply of food 24 hours a day or use spin cast feeders that are cheaper to operate and assist in patterning deer to come at dusk and dawn? Your scenario of 5 pounds a day isn't law but that's probably exactly what most people will do. All I'm saying is, if your pro-bating go ahead and admit that you want to hunt over bait only b/c you think it will make killing deer easier, period, end of story. A very, very small percentage want it to be legal so that they can continue to supplemental feed 12 months out of the year without risking a ticket. I agree this bill seems to target that small percentage but I just want the majority to admit that baiting (not feeding) is a cheap way to entice deer to your stand and serves no nutritional benefit to the deer herd.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#286646
02/17/12 10:57 AM
02/17/12 10:57 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 13,684 Hoover
burbank
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 13,684
Hoover
|
I think that if you get past emotions, and they are very evident in your tone, that you will see that all the little idiosyncrasies within the Bill is built in to address a common argument against baiting. While they are lame, so are the arguments. As has been stated numerous times, this thing is built to pass by addressing specific concerns that are commonly used against it. BTW, I have NOT said that I like it. I am simply a realist with an analytical mind. I can see WHY it is written the way it is! Thank you oh enlightened one. I get WHY the language is that way, I just don't agree with. Just because we can analytically understand something does NOT make it the right choice. And for the record, I am neutral on the subject. I'm just sick of laws that defy the common sense smell test.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#286662
02/17/12 11:27 AM
02/17/12 11:27 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
Would you mind going through the proposed Bill and finding me anything that requires you feed a certain amount?? THAT part is totally up to the person feeding! People are totally blowing this out of proportion! It's not there. You gonna be feeding coons, turkeys and since your user name is hogwild, I assume pigs, plus other small game. Food fight! Hell,5lbs is not enough to get a baiting ticket now! I thought people would use it to help grow them and feed them in winter months, not just kill them, silly me!
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286727
02/17/12 02:14 PM
02/17/12 02:14 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092
alabama
|
I know that bill says spincast feeder, but you can't use any feeder that throws feed on the ground with pelleted deer feed. You are just wasting feed, esp it it's wet. It's going to have to be a trough or MUCH better, a container feeder. Which means "free choice" ....whenever they want to eat...which will be at night mostly. A deer will eat 2+ pounds of feed per deer per day, not counting coons, crows, etc. If you have any decent number of deer using your feeder the bill is going to be way more than most expect. 20 deer will eat near a bag a day.......!!!! Of course usage will be higher in Dec-March and again in Aug-Sept, even higher in bast mast years or drought summers...... I think I'm going to buy some feed mill stock to go with that feeder manuf stock.... troy
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#286737
02/17/12 02:34 PM
02/17/12 02:34 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997 Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
|
1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider. Are you a dyed-in-the wool bleeding heart liberal or just ignorant of our constitutional form of government? SECTION 15 Excessive fines; cruel or unusual punishment.
That excessive fines shall not be imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishment inflicted. I expect people like Nancy Pelosi to come up with crap like you come up with, but I declare... right here in Alabama on a forum for hunters? Your idea of the purpose of government sure doesn't fit the conservative mold. You sound more like the nuts who wrote the bill we're talking about.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BhamFred]
#286738
02/17/12 02:36 PM
02/17/12 02:36 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation.
sitting over a pile of corn ain't deer hunting.....
but I rarely, almost never, sit on a greenfield either..... Nailed it,Bfred. ^^^^
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: 49er]
#286773
02/17/12 04:06 PM
02/17/12 04:06 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider. Are you a dyed-in-the wool bleeding heart liberal or just ignorant of our constitutional form of government? SECTION 15 Excessive fines; cruel or unusual punishment.
That excessive fines shall not be imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishment inflicted. I expect people like Nancy Pelosi to come up with crap like you come up with, but I declare... right here in Alabama on a forum for hunters? Your idea of the purpose of government sure doesn't fit the conservative mold. You sound more like the nuts who wrote the bill we're talking about. If In your mind I'm a nut or dem. cause I believe a fine should be stiff enough to make the average guy think twice before breaking the law then I think I can live with that. I never did worry too much about your opinion anyway.
Last edited by truedouble; 02/17/12 04:20 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jlccoffee]
#286821
02/17/12 06:02 PM
02/17/12 06:02 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092
alabama
|
You could use a spincast with a mix of corn and soybeans that would meet the 15% part. If yer spincast is throwing it on the ground yer wasting yer time, the pelleted deer feed won't last, gets soggy, and molds. No eatee.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286888
02/17/12 07:53 PM
02/17/12 07:53 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,839
AL
|
We've never had a whole lot of luck getting deer to eat soybeans. Started them off with corn, ate it all. Started mixing in soybeans with the corn, at the corn, left most of the soybeans. Went to all soybeans...abandoned it. Process was done over the course of several months, to give them plenty of time to adapt. NADA.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BhamFred]
#286898
02/17/12 08:04 PM
02/17/12 08:04 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174 South Alabama
gobbler
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174
South Alabama
|
supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation Technically supplemental feeding does not replace a failed acorn crop since supp feed mostly is used in the growing season. Agree with primary plan except fertilizing native browse aint going to do much, nor are 2 season foodplots with the percentage of land they make up in most of Alabama. Managing native HABITAT is primary. Thinning, burning, pines... Imagine that this habitat is capable of producing trophy bucks. Lots of people knew it before Dave Morris proved it.
Last edited by gobbler; 02/17/12 08:07 PM.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286899
02/17/12 08:07 PM
02/17/12 08:07 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
Don't worry guys...... What the deer don't eat, the hogs will!!! I would be willing to bet that EVERY one of the people that are now posting AGAINST this Bill will be among the FIRST to put out feed/feeders AND hunt over them if it passes!!!! Of all the things I may be.......a hypocrite is not one of them!
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: gobbler]
#286901
02/17/12 08:08 PM
02/17/12 08:08 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation Technically supplemental feeding does not replace a failed acorn crop since supp feed mostly is used in the growing season. Agree with primary plan except fertilizing native browse aint going to do much, nor are 2 season foodplots with the percentage of land they make up in most of Alabama. Managing native HABITAT is primary. Thinning, burning, pines... Imagine that this habitat is capable of producing trophy bucks. Lots of people knew it before Dave Morris proved it. TRUE!!! And anything else artificially manipulated is BAIT!
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286920
02/17/12 08:31 PM
02/17/12 08:31 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377
Marshall County
|
Hogwild, I usually respect your opinion on things, but you've about gone off the deep end over this thing.
You might convince people of your side easier if you start using rational reasoning and quit calling the people who don't agree with you hypocrites.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: gobbler]
#286948
02/17/12 08:58 PM
02/17/12 08:58 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,209
Boxes Cove
|
Oh no, Gobbler has drawn the pines on us!
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: gobbler]
#287013
02/17/12 09:46 PM
02/17/12 09:46 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377
Marshall County
|
the argument presented here is circular I haven't been here a year yet, and I think that is the case with most all arguments on here.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jlccoffee]
#287065
02/17/12 10:31 PM
02/17/12 10:31 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
So if a guy baits a deer which may endanger a deer, he should pay a fine of $5000. That is right at 20% of the percapita income in Alabama. If you look at the rural counties where most of the deer hunting takes place, it is no doubt well more than 20% of the per capita income.
I guess if you can't afford to pay the fine then you shouldn't break the law...kind of my point. I'll concede that 5k is steep (if I ever mentioned 5k in the first place) for baiting, first offense, BUT when was the last time the fine went up? Paying $250-$500 in 2012 for something perceived as magical to the lazy hunter as baiting isn't going to make many of them stop doing it. Also, should go without saying that just because the hunting is done in rural areas doesn't mean that most hunters live in those rural areas and/ or are barely making ends meet. If someone does hunt and doesn't make enough money to pay the fine then my advice would be not to bait... that self responsibility thing is a crazy concept
Last edited by truedouble; 02/17/12 10:47 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: gobbler]
#287066
02/17/12 10:31 PM
02/17/12 10:31 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,765 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
|
Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,765
colbert county
|
supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation Technically supplemental feeding does not replace a failed acorn crop since supp feed mostly is used in the growing season. Agree with primary plan except fertilizing native browse aint going to do much, nor are 2 season foodplots with the percentage of land they make up in most of Alabama. Managing native HABITAT is primary. Thinning, burning, pines... Imagine that this habitat is capable of producing trophy bucks. Lots of people knew it before Dave Morris proved it. very true I remember QDMA really getting jacked up managing habitat at with fire
Last edited by cartervj; 02/17/12 10:42 PM.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#287075
02/17/12 10:41 PM
02/17/12 10:41 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,765 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
|
Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,765
colbert county
|
TRUE!!!
And anything else artificially manipulated is BAIT!
maybe but a food plot can be used 24/7 a spin cast feeder can be set to condition the animals to when feed time is I remember turkey hunting Texas, couldn't bring myself to hunt by those feeders, the irony was the bowhunters that hunted the first 2 weeks considered themselves better hunters since they used bow and arrow but hunted over feeders. The number 1 thing that stuck with me that whole trip, pigs would come running from all directions at the sound of the feeders going off when I tripped them. Scart the chit out of me the first time I set them off, those mesquites are not very tall. I've seen turkeys and deer become really conditioned to an almost immediate response at the sound or timing. First come first serve, they rush in to feed before it's gone. Remember those chickens and pigeons that peck certain buttons for food. What do those cows do when they see the farmers truck in the winter time. There is no way fields versus feeders are the same, and where does it stop, no tree stands, no scent shield, no firearms, only spears. At what point does the hypocrisy go away?
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#287076
02/17/12 10:44 PM
02/17/12 10:44 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation Technically supplemental feeding does not replace a failed acorn crop since supp feed mostly is used in the growing season. Agree with primary plan except fertilizing native browse aint going to do much, nor are 2 season foodplots with the percentage of land they make up in most of Alabama. Managing native HABITAT is primary. Thinning, burning, pines... Imagine that this habitat is capable of producing trophy bucks. Lots of people knew it before Dave Morris proved it. TRUE!!! And anything else artificially manipulated is BAIT! But managing native habitat for wildlife is artificially manipulating the land, isn't it? So is hunting a burned pine stand the same as hunting over a corn pile? I guess to some it is.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#287082
02/17/12 10:49 PM
02/17/12 10:49 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation Technically supplemental feeding does not replace a failed acorn crop since supp feed mostly is used in the growing season. Agree with primary plan except fertilizing native browse aint going to do much, nor are 2 season foodplots with the percentage of land they make up in most of Alabama. Managing native HABITAT is primary. Thinning, burning, pines... Imagine that this habitat is capable of producing trophy bucks. Lots of people knew it before Dave Morris proved it. TRUE!!! And anything else artificially manipulated is BAIT! But managing native habitat for wildlife is artificially manipulating the land, isn't it? So is hunting a burned pine stand the same as hunting over a corn pile? I guess to some it is. No body can claim to be a purist anymore but it is and always will be a weak argument that feeders and foodplots are the same thing. Sure they could both be considered as bait, but a feeder used during deer season is only bait, nothing else. A foodplot is much more than just bait. Feeders are also much more effective when it comes to killing deer.
Last edited by truedouble; 02/17/12 10:51 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#287115
02/17/12 11:45 PM
02/17/12 11:45 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174 South Alabama
gobbler
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174
South Alabama
|
But managing native habitat for wildlife is artificially manipulating the land, isn't it? So is hunting a burned pine stand the same as hunting over a corn pile? I guess to some it is. No body can claim to be a purist anymore but it is and always will be a weak argument that feeders and foodplots are the same thing. Sure they could both be considered as bait, but a feeder used during deer season is only bait, nothing else. A foodplot is much more than just bait. Feeders are also much more effective when it comes to killing deer.
It is not, imo, "artificially" manipulating the land but mimicking how the land was when human influence was limited and God burned the southeast each year. I would believe that feeders are NOT more effective for killing, however a food plot is not too far from a corn pile when it comes to hunting.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#287208
02/18/12 08:48 AM
02/18/12 08:48 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 8,180 Coffee Co, AL
jlccoffee
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 8,180
Coffee Co, AL
|
So if a guy baits a deer which may endanger a deer, he should pay a fine of $5000. That is right at 20% of the percapita income in Alabama. If you look at the rural counties where most of the deer hunting takes place, it is no doubt well more than 20% of the per capita income.
I guess if you can't afford to pay the fine then you shouldn't break the law...kind of my point. I'll concede that 5k is steep (if I ever mentioned 5k in the first place) for baiting, first offense, BUT when was the last time the fine went up? Paying $250-$500 in 2012 for something perceived as magical to the lazy hunter as baiting isn't going to make many of them stop doing it. Also, should go without saying that just because the hunting is done in rural areas doesn't mean that most hunters live in those rural areas and/ or are barely making ends meet. If someone does hunt and doesn't make enough money to pay the fine then my advice would be not to bait... that self responsibility thing is a crazy concept I didn't say the 5K number you through out would not be a deterrent. I'm just wondering where you go from there. If 5K for endangering a deer, what is the fine for endangering a human (like speeding)?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jlccoffee]
#287355
02/18/12 01:36 PM
02/18/12 01:36 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911
Pine Hill, Al
|
Sure they could both be considered as bait, but a feeder used during deer season is only bait, nothing else. A foodplot is much more than just bait. LOL! Have mercy. Why don't you folks spouting stuff like this just speak the truth for once. Here, let me help you. Repeat these following statements. "I think corn feeders are wrong simply because I've always been told they are wrong and I've never had the intellectual gumption to ask WHY?"AND "I think green patches are OK because I myself have hunted over them and therefore I will NEVER NEVER NEVER admit that there is actually no ethical different between them and a feeder because then I would be exposing myself as the massive hypocrite I actually am." Some of you folks are in such a deep state of denial psychiatrists should be filming you as you discuss this topic for use as a future training guide in how to deal with people suffering from severe self delusion. Still haven't heard one example of how it's more difficult; requires more skill; or adheres to a higher standard of ethics to hunt over a patch vs a feeder. You hear a lot of diversion about nutrition and other nonsense but never an explanation of what makes one ethical vs the other.
Last edited by Todd1700; 02/18/12 01:37 PM.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#287372
02/18/12 02:00 PM
02/18/12 02:00 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
Aawwwww.......Come on, Todd!
You know that you have to have a $50,000 4x4 truck, a $10,000 atv, at least $1000 worth of camo, the BEST scent-killer, an ozone machine AND a therma-cell, a $1000 gun with a $3000 scope on it, a member of a $2000/yr Club and be a regular Davy Crockett type outdoorsman to be able to walk 200 yds to a food plot and climb into the shooting house and shoot a doe!!!
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#287379
02/18/12 02:13 PM
02/18/12 02:13 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092
alabama
|
hunting over corn piles is unethical because Charles Kelly said it was and he carries way more weight than you do Todd.....
next question....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#287398
02/18/12 02:46 PM
02/18/12 02:46 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911
Pine Hill, Al
|
Aawwwww.......Come on, Todd!
You know that you have to have a $50,000 4x4 truck, a $10,000 atv, at least $1000 worth of camo, the BEST scent-killer, an ozone machine AND a therma-cell, a $1000 gun with a $3000 scope on it, a member of a $2000/yr Club and be a regular Davy Crockett type outdoorsman to be able to walk 200 yds to a food plot and climb into the shooting house and shoot a doe!!! I guess you are right. Why hell it takes a pretty experienced woodsman to work the latch on a shooting house door. And don't even get me started on the learning curve for dealing with those plexiglass windows. That s### can take years to master. LOL!
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287403
02/18/12 02:50 PM
02/18/12 02:50 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
Sure they could both be considered as bait, but a feeder used during deer season is only bait, nothing else. A foodplot is much more than just bait. LOL! Have mercy. Why don't you folks spouting stuff like this just speak the truth for once. Here, let me help you. Repeat these following statements. "I think corn feeders are wrong simply because I've always been told they are wrong and I've never had the intellectual gumption to ask WHY?"AND "I think green patches are OK because I myself have hunted over them and therefore I will NEVER NEVER NEVER admit that there is actually no ethical different between them and a feeder because then I would be exposing myself as the massive hypocrite I actually am." Some of you folks are in such a deep state of denial psychiatrists should be filming you as you discuss this topic for use as a future training guide in how to deal with people suffering from severe self delusion. Still haven't heard one example of how it's more difficult; requires more skill; or adheres to a higher standard of ethics to hunt over a patch vs a feeder. You hear a lot of diversion about nutrition and other nonsense but never an explanation of what makes one ethical vs the other. ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? I agree you can kill does all day long on a foodplot (another great reason to have foodplots) but I don't think that's really what baiters are after. Putting a timed spin cast feeder in the middle of a buck's core area in the middle of a thicket or hardwood stand, etc. and hunting over it is more advantageous than hunting a wide open foodplot. By the way why does B&C not recognize bucks killed over bait, but they do recognize bucks killed on a foodplot? Separate discussion but just saying you might want to tell the B&C guys that they need to see a shrink as well... As for mature bucks coming to bait during the day time, I've had a lot of 3 year olds and in the past few years two mature bucks a mid 140 and a 160 that habitually came to corn all summer and early fall during the day, 3-5 days per week morning and afternoon. They continued to come to the corn up until the first of Oct. cause I quit putting it out. There is not doubt in my mind that had I continued to put out corn I could have killed both of these bucks during the 1st few days of bow season, assuming the wind was right. This might not have happened on a piece of land with a lot of pressure where a lot of young bucks are killed but this scenario is not uncommon on private land with low hunting pressure.
Last edited by truedouble; 02/18/12 02:50 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287406
02/18/12 02:53 PM
02/18/12 02:53 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911
Pine Hill, Al
|
hunting over corn piles is unethical because Charles Kelly said it was and he carries way more weight than you do Todd..... That's why it's illegal. Still not in any way an explanation of how it's ethically any different that sitting over a patch. I'm a strong advocate of obeying the law. But that in no way means that we don't have stupid and inconsistent ones.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#287415
02/18/12 03:05 PM
02/18/12 03:05 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
|
Sure they could both be considered as bait, but a feeder used during deer season is only bait, nothing else. A foodplot is much more than just bait. LOL! Have mercy. Why don't you folks spouting stuff like this just speak the truth for once. Here, let me help you. Repeat these following statements. "I think corn feeders are wrong simply because I've always been told they are wrong and I've never had the intellectual gumption to ask WHY?"AND "I think green patches are OK because I myself have hunted over them and therefore I will NEVER NEVER NEVER admit that there is actually no ethical different between them and a feeder because then I would be exposing myself as the massive hypocrite I actually am." Some of you folks are in such a deep state of denial psychiatrists should be filming you as you discuss this topic for use as a future training guide in how to deal with people suffering from severe self delusion. Still haven't heard one example of how it's more difficult; requires more skill; or adheres to a higher standard of ethics to hunt over a patch vs a feeder. You hear a lot of diversion about nutrition and other nonsense but never an explanation of what makes one ethical vs the other. ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? I agree you can kill does all day long on a foodplot (another great reason to have foodplots) but I don't think that's really what baiters are after. Putting a timed spin cast feeder in the middle of a buck's core area in the middle of a thicket or hardwood stand, etc. and hunting over it is more advantageous than hunting a wide open foodplot. By the way why does B&C not recognize bucks killed over bait, but they do recognize bucks killed on a foodplot? Separate discussion but just saying you might want to tell the B&C guys that they need to see a shrink as well... As for mature bucks coming to bait during the day time, I've had a lot of 3 year olds and in the past few years two mature bucks a mid 140 and a 160 that habitually came to corn all summer and early fall during the day, 3-5 days per week morning and afternoon. They continued to come to the corn up until the first of Oct. cause I quit putting it out. There is not doubt in my mind that had I continued to put out corn I could have killed both of these bucks during the 1st few days of bow season, assuming the wind was right. This might not have happened on a piece of land with a lot of pressure where a lot of young bucks are killed but this scenario is not uncommon on private land with low hunting pressure. Please check up on your facts before spouting off. It will prevent Athlete's Foot of the Mouth!!!! BAITING Trophies taken with the aid of bait are eligible for entry in the Club’s Awards Programs and listing in the records books so long as the practice is legal in the state or province where the trophy was taken.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287418
02/18/12 03:12 PM
02/18/12 03:12 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,641 Henry county
coldtrail
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,641
Henry county
|
hunting over corn piles is unethical because Charles Kelly said it was and he carries way more weight than you do Todd..... That's why it's illegal. Still not in any way an explanation of how it's ethically any different that sitting over a patch. I'm a strong advocate of obeying the law. But that in no way means that we don't have stupid and inconsistent ones. Dead on. A lot of things are legal, that doesn't make them ethical. and I tend to think a lot of things are illegal but that doesn't always make them unethical. a lot of people really don't now where there beliefs come from.
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287419
02/18/12 03:13 PM
02/18/12 03:13 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911
Pine Hill, Al
|
ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? Because it would be nice not to have to stop feeding the deer on our land for 2 1/2 to 3 months during each winter when the deer need it the most. Why do we have to stop? Couldn't we just leave them going and not hunt close enough to them to get a ticket? Ahhh, there's the rub isn't it? Nobody, not even the governor of this ####ing state knows what "IN THE AREA" means. So navigating around them becomes a mine field during hunting season if they are left loaded and running. And that's if you are dealing with an honest game warden. All it takes is their word that you were near a feeder and your feeder with corn in it to show the judge and a resurrected F Lee Bailey couldn't get your ass out of the ticket here in Wilcox County. I don't like putting myself in a position where all it takes is someones word to ***k me over. And I know there are good game wardens out there that wouldn't deal dirty like that but there are also some that will "embellish the story a bit" to close the deal on your ass. You can doubt that fact if you want but you do it at your own risk.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287421
02/18/12 03:16 PM
02/18/12 03:16 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911
Pine Hill, Al
|
Please check up on your facts before spouting off. It will prevent Athlete's Foot of the Mouth!!!!
Quote: BAITING Trophies taken with the aid of bait are eligible for entry in the Club’s Awards Programs and listing in the records books so long as the practice is legal in the state or province where the trophy was taken. Cut him some slack Hogwild. He was just basing that statement on the same amount of facts they base their other assertions on. None at all! LOL!
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
#287422
02/18/12 03:19 PM
02/18/12 03:19 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997 Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
|
td, ... ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? How about it would eliminate the "traps" created by the vagueness of the statute? How about elimination of the "trap" that a lot have been caught in when they are in an area where somebody else has put bait out and they didn't know it? How about not having to disturb the area you intend to hunt with a required inspection first in order to be protected against getting caught in the "didn't know it was there trap". How about freeing up game wardens to get out and catch serious violators that are actually harming our wildlife resources? How about it would eliminate a lot of hypocrisy in the DCNR relating to the baiting issue and help start improving it's image?
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: 49er]
#287423
02/18/12 03:22 PM
02/18/12 03:22 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911
Pine Hill, Al
|
td, ... ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? How about elimination of the "trap" that a lot have been caught in when they are in an area where somebody else has put bait out and they didn't know it? How about not having to disturb the area you intend to hunt with a required inspection first in order to be protected against getting caught in the "didn't know it was there trap". How about freeing up game wardens to get out and catch serious violators that are actually harming our wildlife resources? All good points. Here's another. How about just because it would be amending a totally inconsistent and stupid law. Bait is bait. It should either all be legal or none of it.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#287424
02/18/12 03:26 PM
02/18/12 03:26 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
Sure they could both be considered as bait, but a feeder used during deer season is only bait, nothing else. A foodplot is much more than just bait. LOL! Have mercy. Why don't you folks spouting stuff like this just speak the truth for once. Here, let me help you. Repeat these following statements. "I think corn feeders are wrong simply because I've always been told they are wrong and I've never had the intellectual gumption to ask WHY?"AND "I think green patches are OK because I myself have hunted over them and therefore I will NEVER NEVER NEVER admit that there is actually no ethical different between them and a feeder because then I would be exposing myself as the massive hypocrite I actually am." Some of you folks are in such a deep state of denial psychiatrists should be filming you as you discuss this topic for use as a future training guide in how to deal with people suffering from severe self delusion. Still haven't heard one example of how it's more difficult; requires more skill; or adheres to a higher standard of ethics to hunt over a patch vs a feeder. You hear a lot of diversion about nutrition and other nonsense but never an explanation of what makes one ethical vs the other. ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? I agree you can kill does all day long on a foodplot (another great reason to have foodplots) but I don't think that's really what baiters are after. Putting a timed spin cast feeder in the middle of a buck's core area in the middle of a thicket or hardwood stand, etc. and hunting over it is more advantageous than hunting a wide open foodplot. By the way why does B&C not recognize bucks killed over bait, but they do recognize bucks killed on a foodplot? Separate discussion but just saying you might want to tell the B&C guys that they need to see a shrink as well... As for mature bucks coming to bait during the day time, I've had a lot of 3 year olds and in the past few years two mature bucks a mid 140 and a 160 that habitually came to corn all summer and early fall during the day, 3-5 days per week morning and afternoon. They continued to come to the corn up until the first of Oct. cause I quit putting it out. There is not doubt in my mind that had I continued to put out corn I could have killed both of these bucks during the 1st few days of bow season, assuming the wind was right. This might not have happened on a piece of land with a lot of pressure where a lot of young bucks are killed but this scenario is not uncommon on private land with low hunting pressure. Please check up on your facts before spouting off. It will prevent Athlete's Foot of the Mouth!!!! BAITING Trophies taken with the aid of bait are eligible for entry in the Club’s Awards Programs and listing in the records books so long as the practice is legal in the state or province where the trophy was taken. That hurt...I'm not used to being wrong So no notations or asterisks if killed over a bait pile or feeder? It's a good thing I prefaced by saying it's a separate discussion.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287427
02/18/12 03:28 PM
02/18/12 03:28 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? Because it would be nice not to have to stop feeding the deer on our land for 2 1/2 to 3 months during each winter when the deer need it the most. Why do we have to stop? Couldn't we just leave them going and not hunt close enough to them to get a ticket? Ahhh, there's the rub isn't it? Nobody, not even the governor of this ####ing state knows what "IN THE AREA" means. So navigating around them becomes a mine field during hunting season if they are left loaded and running. And that's if you are dealing with an honest game warden. All it takes is their word that you were near a feeder and your feeder with corn in it to show the judge and a resurrected F Lee Bailey couldn't get your ass out of the ticket here in Wilcox County. I don't like putting myself in a position where all it takes is someones word to ***k me over. And I know there are good game wardens out there that wouldn't deal dirty like that but there are also some that will "embellish the story a bit" to close the deal on your ass. You can doubt that fact if you want but you do it at your own risk. I've said before that I have no issue with finding a way to make it legal to continue feeding deer though out the year. This is in no way the same discussion as those that want "bait" legalized for attracting and killing deer only.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287429
02/18/12 03:31 PM
02/18/12 03:31 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,539
Birmingham
|
Please check up on your facts before spouting off. It will prevent Athlete's Foot of the Mouth!!!!
Quote: BAITING Trophies taken with the aid of bait are eligible for entry in the Club’s Awards Programs and listing in the records books so long as the practice is legal in the state or province where the trophy was taken. Cut him some slack Hogwild. He was just basing that statement on the same amount of facts they base their other assertions on. None at all! LOL! your opinion and assertions that foodplots and feeders are the same is not factual either... I need to find something more productive to do until turkey season starts.
Last edited by truedouble; 02/18/12 03:33 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Todd1700]
#287484
02/18/12 05:11 PM
02/18/12 05:11 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,268 Alabama
jmj120
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,268
Alabama
|
ok Genius, if their is no advantage to hunting over bait then why do so many of you want to make it legal? Because it would be nice not to have to stop feeding the deer on our land for 2 1/2 to 3 months during each winter when the deer need it the most. Why do we have to stop? Couldn't we just leave them going and not hunt close enough to them to get a ticket? Ahhh, there's the rub isn't it? Nobody, not even the governor of this ####ing state knows what "IN THE AREA" means. So navigating around them becomes a mine field during hunting season if they are left loaded and running. And that's if you are dealing with an honest game warden. All it takes is their word that you were near a feeder and your feeder with corn in it to show the judge and a resurrected F Lee Bailey couldn't get your ass out of the ticket here in Wilcox County. I don't like putting myself in a position where all it takes is someones word to ***k me over. And I know there are good game wardens out there that wouldn't deal dirty like that but there are also some that will "embellish the story a bit" to close the deal on your ass. You can doubt that fact if you want but you do it at your own risk. Plus.........there are numerous incidences of land being shut down because of corn. I know of one area in North Alabama where some guys got caught with 2 weeks to go in the season and the GW shut their place down. That would tick me off if a member caused my lease to get shut down. To me, it's not an ethical issue. I see no difference in a cornpile, greenfield or the only white oak in the area dropping. To me, all of it is bait. I would be against it for my/our lease even if the law passed. I just see it causing more problems and expense than it would be worth. That being said, on my private places, I would probably keep a feeder going. This law wouldn't really help bowhunting at all if you have to be 100 yards from the feeder. Just a poorly written piece of legislation.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#287592
02/18/12 08:14 PM
02/18/12 08:14 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,092
alabama
|
you cannot legally shut a place down because of bait for two weeks. IF the bait is removed you can legally start hunting after 10 days....
Even so the place would have to be small, like 20-80 acres then. If it was a large enough place you could get away from the bait and hunt legally. Unless the whole place was baited....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BhamFred]
#287613
02/18/12 08:49 PM
02/18/12 08:49 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997 Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
|
I agree with troy. A couple of years ago I was making my reasonable effort to inspect for baiting during bow season on our lease. I found where a kid whose dad didn't renew his membership had left a feeder with a dead battery and a little corn still in it. We have our lease divided into 40 acre squares and a member can sign out no more than two squares at a time. I cleaned the corn up myself and then I closed off two squares (80 acres) for 10 days by covering them on our sign out map with a note. The rest of our 6200 acres was left open for hunting. I saw no need to involve the DCNR. I told our members that if any of them got a ticket for hunting over that bait anywhere other than those 80 acres, I would go to court with them and help fight it all the way up if we needed to. Until an "area" has been clearly defined, it's my position that the officers of our club are reasonable men who are able to define the affected area ourselves as well an anyone else. I believe I could convince a judge that either I'm right or the law is too vague to be constitutional. troy's defintion fits what we came up with under the given circumstances.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: BhamFred]
#287639
02/18/12 09:22 PM
02/18/12 09:22 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,268 Alabama
jmj120
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,268
Alabama
|
you cannot legally shut a place down because of bait for two weeks. IF the bait is removed you can legally start hunting after 10 days....
Even so the place would have to be small, like 20-80 acres then. If it was a large enough place you could get away from the bait and hunt legally. Unless the whole place was baited.... The way the story was told to me is the club bought a transfer truck load of bulk corn and dumped it in the middle of the lease. I don't know if it's bs or not, but that's what the guy said. There was a 300 acre lease near here shut down 2 years ago during turkey season for corn. Whether that's legal or not, I don't know, but I do know it was done.
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jmj120]
#287663
02/18/12 10:15 PM
02/18/12 10:15 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 695 Somewhere
thirtyotsix
4 point
|
4 point
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 695
Somewhere
|
Who cares anyway? Every state near us are doing it legally or not legally. If you are in a club make it a yes or no rule if the law passes. I have a-holes putting foodplots next to the property line on my lease with fruit trees and all to lure the deer onto his property but I have a fifty yard rule so I cannot intercept if I wanted to. Big deal. If you get your panties in a twist about it then buy your own land. If everyone is so ethical go out and spear one, according to the rules that is is still legal. Things change just deal with it. Just enjoy hunting. Stop being a whiner.
With politics being a career, a swamp is the obvious consequence
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#287668
02/18/12 10:21 PM
02/18/12 10:21 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938 Over Yonder
Clem
Mildly Quirky
|
Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938
Over Yonder
|
Hey Todd, where do you hunt?
Only in the woods away from mast-producing trees? Over non-forage sage fields? Pine thickets?
Or do you hunt in the woods around mast-producing trees and also near or on planted green patches?
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#287679
02/18/12 10:51 PM
02/18/12 10:51 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,765 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
|
Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,765
colbert county
|
If we could only get those acorn trees on a timer
Last edited by cartervj; 02/18/12 10:51 PM.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: cartervj]
#287710
02/18/12 11:34 PM
02/18/12 11:34 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,911
Pine Hill, Al
|
Hey Todd, where do you hunt?
Only in the woods away from mast-producing trees? Over non-forage sage fields? Pine thickets?
Or do you hunt in the woods around mast-producing trees and also near or on planted green patches?
I mostly hunt from a climbing stand between bedding and feeding areas. But what's your point? I'm the one advocating that you should be able to hunt over whatever you want.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#287884
02/19/12 11:56 AM
02/19/12 11:56 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494 Jefferson
Fun4all
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494
Jefferson
|
At what point does the "light bulb click on" that baiting (i.e. hunting over corn) and feeding year round on "private" land IS legal in Alabama??????? For those that say everything is a form of baiting (dropping acorns from oak trees, food plots, a doe in heat, a bedding area a creek crossing, a honeysuckle patch, etc), why the big giant outcry for dumping feed/bait on the ground only during the hunting season (or in this case out of a "legal" feeder)? All a person has to do is plant corn, millet, soybeans, etc, etc, etc, leave it standing or bush hog it and you have your "bait". Why is that not good enough??? Is it because you BELIEVE what your third cousins girlfriends brother said that he heard that somebody three counties away kills 43 bucks a year over "piles of corn" therefore, everybody is be doing it so they should just let everybody do it to help the GW's out? Or, most likely the point is that it is the easy lazy way to kill a deer, without having to put in the effort to learn agricultural practices or how to hunt? Also, the proponents of baiting please answer this, should "baiting" (i.e. hunting over "bait" from a "legal" feeder) be "legal" on public land? If so, how should it be controlled? By free for all, through "drawing" (thereby making "public" land no longer "public"), auction (again making "public" land no longer "public")? Or, not allowing "baiting (feeding from a "legal" feeder) on public lands and therefore not allowing the same opportunities and freedoms to the "public" land hunter that the "private" land hunter would enjoy? Or, is that part of the the goal to draw game from the "public" lands to the "private" lands? Again "baiting" and year round "feeding" IS legal in Alabama now on "private" land!! What more do you think the State of Alabama should do for you???? I anticipate these actual thought provoking questions will not get me banned again, but we shall see.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
#287911
02/19/12 12:39 PM
02/19/12 12:39 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494 Jefferson
Fun4all
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494
Jefferson
|
So, just how much luck have YOU had growing corn and soybeans in 1/1-3/4 acre plots that are common most all of the Timber Co. leases?
Or, do you only propose that landowners themselves should have that right?
I do have a large field here at the house that I plant soybeans in. And they LOVE them! But, I haven't shot a deer here in years! Reasearch, research, research and find ag products that will grow in what area that a person has rights and access to. A few minutes away from www.aldeer.com and searching the world wide web or local coop will provide many answers. If you have rights from the landowner then by all means utilize it to it's fullest potential, if not deal with it by understanding the limitations or move on to some property that will allow it. I personally do not have the luxury of owning my own hunting land nor do I have the luxury of planting foodplots on the private land that I am fortunate enough to hunt. As a side bar, I also hunt public land on occassion and occassionally like this year was fortunate enough to kill deer on both private and public land. I commend your efforts on planting the fields around your house and hope you will continue to do so.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Fun4all]
#287954
02/19/12 02:01 PM
02/19/12 02:01 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547 Panhandle Florida
PaschalBD
Used to be TiderBD
|
Used to be TiderBD
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547
Panhandle Florida
|
If I plant a persimmon tree in a strategic location and while I'm at it attach a ladder stand, then check back occasionally for the tree to bear fruit (this could take several years), what have I done?
Last edited by tiderbd; 02/19/12 02:02 PM.
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
USAF Veteran
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: PaschalBD]
#288018
02/19/12 03:34 PM
02/19/12 03:34 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547 Panhandle Florida
PaschalBD
Used to be TiderBD
|
Used to be TiderBD
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 15,547
Panhandle Florida
|
If I plant a persimmon tree in a strategic location and while I'm at it attach a ladder stand, then check back occasionally for the tree to bear fruit (this could take several years), what have I done? Let me clarify. Take the stand part out of it. Just plant the tree and wait for it to produce. Is this baiting?
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
USAF Veteran
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: 2Dogs]
#288027
02/19/12 03:50 PM
02/19/12 03:50 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
|
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,377
Marshall County
|
Let the tree grow into a stand you're not using? Bwahahahahahhhahahaha! That wuz funny.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: PaschalBD]
#288031
02/19/12 03:54 PM
02/19/12 03:54 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,268 Alabama
jmj120
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,268
Alabama
|
If I plant a persimmon tree in a strategic location and while I'm at it attach a ladder stand, then check back occasionally for the tree to bear fruit (this could take several years), what have I done? Let me clarify. Take the stand part out of it. Just plant the tree and wait for it to produce. Is this baiting? Same as planting a corn field and waiting for it to produce, then hunting it. Not baiting. Crazy, yes, but lawful. Now, take a bucket of those ears of corn you just planted, and place them on another property you own, now you are baiting. Funny ain't it
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jmj120]
#288078
02/19/12 04:55 PM
02/19/12 04:55 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174 South Alabama
gobbler
12 point
|
12 point
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,174
South Alabama
|
Same as planting a corn field and waiting for it to produce, then hunting it. Not baiting. Crazy, yes, but lawful. Now, take a bucket of those ears of corn you just planted, and place them on another property you own, now you are baiting. Funny ain't it
Take a bucket of those ears and move them to another field a hundred yards away and it IS baiting Go figure. Heres one for Troy. If I take a bunch of acorns or persimmons, throw them in a bucket and move them to another spot, is that baiting and/or legal?
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jmj120]
#288079
02/19/12 04:56 PM
02/19/12 04:56 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938 Over Yonder
Clem
Mildly Quirky
|
Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938
Over Yonder
|
Take the stand part out of it. Just plant the tree and wait for it to produce. Is this baiting? Depends on which person on this board answers your question.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: gobbler]
#288086
02/19/12 05:09 PM
02/19/12 05:09 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494 Jefferson
Fun4all
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494
Jefferson
|
Same as planting a corn field and waiting for it to produce, then hunting it. Not baiting. Crazy, yes, but lawful. Now, take a bucket of those ears of corn you just planted, and place them on another property you own, now you are baiting. Funny ain't it
Take a bucket of those ears and move them to another field a hundred yards away and it IS baiting Go figure. Heres one for Troy. If I take a bunch of acorns or persimmons, throw them in a bucket and move them to another spot, is that baiting and/or legal? As I recall that has been answered and yes, it is considered baiting.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
|
|
|
Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: wgnrubua]
#288385
02/19/12 10:46 PM
02/19/12 10:46 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997 Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
|
Wrong! It will not be passed to help revenue for dcnr. Its not up to them. You must be reading the wrong bill. I would say welcome, but we've already got plenty here who just say things because it sounds good. Not good for a first time poster. Now you're starting off by being 100 percent wrong. Section 6. All revenue received from fees except the 8 issuance fees under this act shall be forwarded by the issuing 9 official to the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural 10 Resources on the first day of each month and shall be 11 deposited into the Game and Fish Fund of the Department of 12 Conservation and Natural Resources. All revenue received from 13 fines and penalties for violations of this act shall be 14 forwarded to the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural 15 Resources by the trial court on the first day of each month to 16 be deposited into the Game and Fish Fund of the Department of 17 Conservation and Natural Resources.
|
|
|
|