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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832073
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Nobody is talking about a magnum.

And a .243's ballistics are not superior to anything. I have a beautiful pre '64 Win heavy barrel varmint that's chambered in .243. I love the round. Best varmint cartridge ever made. That was one of my first guns I ever bought on my own, however I didn't buy it for a deer rifle. Because I knew it was too light for deer even back then. Y'all want to put all your stock into a magical bullet that either doesn't blow up or maybe it does.... doesn't seem like y'all can ever decide on that.

WHY? Why would you put yourself in that situation on purpose?

There is really no good argument to choose .243 for a deer rifle. You are really at the top of the cartridge's capability loaded with 100 gainers. To me that's a very poor choice over 7mm-08, 6.5 Creed, .308, etc.

BTW.... My shoulder is already hurting thinking about that 6.5 Creed recoil.



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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: Goatkiller] #2832081
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
Nobody is talking about a magnum.

And a .243's ballistics are not superior to anything. I have a beautiful pre '64 Win heavy barrel varmint that's chambered in .243. I love the round. Best varmint cartridge ever made. That was one of my first guns I ever bought on my own, however I didn't buy it for a deer rifle.

But, there is really no good argument to choose .243 for a deer rifle. You are really at the top of the cartridge's capability loaded with 100 gainers. To me that's a very poor choice over 7mm-08, 6.5 Creed, .308, etc.

My shoulder is already hurting thinking about that 6.5 Creed recoil.



That would be true only if you buy your ammo at Walmart and prefer it in blue boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18

Why do you think she isn't shooting a Corelokt?

Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832090
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So basically you are saying if I shot an elephant in the ear with a .22lr would that make it a good elephant cartridge?

In order to make a convincing argument you guys need to move past the realm of possibility and tell me how .243 is so good at _____.

You can't because it isn't...... Good at anything past varmint hunting.



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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832127
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A 243 with the right bullet put in the right place is as reliably deadly as any other round. It's physics and biology goat. Magnums with light for caliber bullets have lost a pile of deer due to blow up and under - penetration as well. In fact, I've had that happen on more than one occasion. A hot loaded 300 magnum with 150 grain ballistic tips at point blank will fail a good bit of the time. Does that mean 300 magnums are garbage ? Again, it's physics and biology.

Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: R_H_Clark] #2832161
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
Nobody is talking about a magnum.

And a .243's ballistics are not superior to anything. I have a beautiful pre '64 Win heavy barrel varmint that's chambered in .243. I love the round. Best varmint cartridge ever made. That was one of my first guns I ever bought on my own, however I didn't buy it for a deer rifle.

But, there is really no good argument to choose .243 for a deer rifle. You are really at the top of the cartridge's capability loaded with 100 gainers. To me that's a very poor choice over 7mm-08, 6.5 Creed, .308, etc.

My shoulder is already hurting thinking about that 6.5 Creed recoil.



That would be true only if you buy your ammo at Walmart and prefer it in blue boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18

Why do you think she isn't shooting a Corelokt?

I'm afraid you'd be surprised at what Federal "blue box" in .243 will do.You're fighting a losing battle trying to change the man's mind.He's evidently had a few bad experiences with the round over the years...

Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: Goatkiller] #2832164
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller


So basically you are saying if I shot an elephant in the ear with a .22lr would that make it a good elephant cartridge?

In order to make a convincing argument you guys need to move past the realm of possibility and tell me how .243 is so good at _____.

You can't because it isn't...... Good at anything past varmint hunting.


It's good at putting venison in my freezer.with minimum damage and short tracking jobs rolleyes

Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832169
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
Nobody is talking about a magnum.

And a .243's ballistics are not superior to anything. I have a beautiful pre '64 Win heavy barrel varmint that's chambered in .243. I love the round. Best varmint cartridge ever made. That was one of my first guns I ever bought on my own, however I didn't buy it for a deer rifle. Because I knew it was too light for deer even back then. Y'all want to put all your stock into a magical bullet that either doesn't blow up or maybe it does.... doesn't seem like y'all can ever decide on that.

WHY? Why would you put yourself in that situation on purpose?

There is really no good argument to choose .243 for a deer rifle. You are really at the top of the cartridge's capability loaded with 100 gainers. To me that's a very poor choice over 7mm-08, 6.5 Creed, .308, etc.

BTW.... My shoulder is already hurting thinking about that 6.5 Creed recoil.



.243 ballistics are far superior to a ton of well known, and many lesser known calibers, most notably the .30-30 Winchester. Energy of a bullet is a specific calculation that has nothing to do with your perception of a rifle round.

While the .243 is not my favorite, or even a round I go to often, it remains an effective caliber for thin skinned game up to 300 yards and up to 200 lbs.

Would I use it on a South Texas brush country hunt? Probably not. Would I use on a pronghorn hunt in Wyoming? Absolutely.

Pine goats in Alabama? No problem.

And for a pure varmint cartridge, I personally prefer the .22-250

Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832246
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it isn't...... Good at anything past varmint hunting.


That is just horse pucky. Deer in Alabama are not that big or hard to kill. And there are no degrees of dead, only dead. Put a 243 bullet through their vitals and they will be just as dead as a deer shot in the same place with a 308, 30-06 or anything else. Make a bad hit with a 375 H&H magnum and you will be lucky to find them. It's just as simple as that. Once you reach the point that you are using enough gun (which the 243 certainly is for deer) the particular cartridge you use is little more than a persons individual fancy.

I certainly wouldn't pass on a good deal for a Sako 85 because it was a 243.


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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: Todd1700] #2832303
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it isn't...... Good at anything past varmint hunting.


That is just horse pucky. Deer in Alabama are not that big or hard to kill. And there are no degrees of dead, only dead. Put a 243 bullet through their vitals and they will be just as dead as a deer shot in the same place with a 308, 30-06 or anything else. Make a bad hit with a 375 H&H magnum and you will be lucky to find them. It's just as simple as that. Once you reach the point that you are using enough gun (which the 243 certainly is for deer) the particular cartridge you use is little more than a persons individual fancy.

I certainly wouldn't pass on a good deal for a Sako 85 because it was a 243.



I have 850 dollars in it. Brand new, with the box beautiful wood and a satin stainless. One of the nicest looking rifles I've owned. And the fact that it's in 243 is almost like it knows it doesn't have to over-compensate. I will probably be keeping this one.

Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: Bull64] #2832322
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Originally Posted by Bull64
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
Nobody is talking about a magnum.

And a .243's ballistics are not superior to anything. I have a beautiful pre '64 Win heavy barrel varmint that's chambered in .243. I love the round. Best varmint cartridge ever made. That was one of my first guns I ever bought on my own, however I didn't buy it for a deer rifle.

But, there is really no good argument to choose .243 for a deer rifle. You are really at the top of the cartridge's capability loaded with 100 gainers. To me that's a very poor choice over 7mm-08, 6.5 Creed, .308, etc.

My shoulder is already hurting thinking about that 6.5 Creed recoil.



That would be true only if you buy your ammo at Walmart and prefer it in blue boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18

Why do you think she isn't shooting a Corelokt?

I'm afraid you'd be surprised at what Federal "blue box" in .243 will do.You're fighting a losing battle trying to change the man's mind.He's evidently had a few bad experiences with the round over the years...


Not surprised at all. I just wouldn't shoot one at 688 yards

Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832467
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It's too bad Barnes doesn't make a .22 caliber magic bullet?

Right?

Think of the possibilities.

Y'all could just shoot a .22-250. What's a couple grains when the bullet does all the work?

Ridiculous.

Like playing a round of golf with a sand wedge and claiming you still made it to the pin.



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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: Goatkiller] #2832474
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
It's too bad Barnes doesn't make a .22 caliber magic bullet?

Right?

Think of the possibilities.

Y'all could just shoot a .22-250. What's a couple grains when the bullet does all the work?

Ridiculous.

Like playing a round of golf with a sand wedge and claiming you still made it to the pin.



They actually make them in at least four different weights. And since you mentioned it, all anyone really needs to deer hunt with is a fast twist 22-250 slinging a Barnes, IF all shots were within 200 yards.

I too was a 243 naysayer until I killed a few with the 80gr Barnes. It really punches above its weight class.

Even the lil 50-gr Barnes is no slouch!

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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832528
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What's a couple grains when the bullet does all the work?


Actually the bullet does do all the work. What are you doing, beating them to death with the butt stock? We may have found your reason for wanting a bigger rifle. More weight for use as a club. Try pointing the barrel end at the deer and pulling the trigger. It works better that way. LOL!

As for the rest of what you posted I'm guessing it must be some kind of code that can only be understood if you have dropped acid. Makes zero sense to a sober man.


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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: Goatkiller] #2832624
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
It's too bad Barnes doesn't make a .22 caliber magic bullet?

Right?

Think of the possibilities.

Y'all could just shoot a .22-250. What's a couple grains when the bullet does all the work?

Ridiculous.

Like playing a round of golf with a sand wedge and claiming you still made it to the pin.



.243 ain't no sand wedge. 5 iron? Maybe. When I still played golf, my 5 iron got more use than my driver, especially on par 3 and short par 4 holes. See, that's what Alabama whitetails generally are. Par 3, and short par 4's. No heavy mesquite brush, no canyons, not many 300+ yard shots. Perfect stage for the .243 Win.

If you think the .30-30 is a valid deer caliber at 100 yards, I can't understand why you would naysay the .243 Win at 300 yards. Virtually the same energy delivered to the critter.

And also, I have a buddy in Texas who almost never hunts with anything except his .22-250. I've seen him dust whitetails at 300+ yards, I've killed a few hogs with his at 200+ yards, and 2 years ago, I saw him stone a 250 lb Axis deer with it. Base of the neck, DRT.

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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832801
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I shoot a 243, my son shoots a 243, my dad shoots a 6mm. None of us have an issue killing deer.

The shooter is far more important than the round being shot. Know your gun. Know how to accurately and safely shoot your gun. Practice. You can kill a deer with every round from 22 up to a 50 cal and beyond.

Bottom line: Shot placement is everything!!!

Enjoy the 243. If you don’t like it, get rid of it.

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Oh, Lord have mercy... I should have known once I mentioned .22-250 there would be someone or a few someone's......

Good grief.

When they made their game laws in other States and put restrictions on tiny calibers..... they had people just like y'all in mind.

If I could I would fine y'all $$$ for every deer you don't recover.. there is absolutely ZERO reason for any of y'all to be toting a pea shooter. Y'all are grown men.


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Originally Posted by Goatkiller

Oh, Lord have mercy... I should have known once I mentioned .22-250 there would be someone or a few someone's......

Good grief.

When they made their game laws in other States and put restrictions on tiny calibers..... they had people just like y'all in mind.

If I could I would fine y'all $$$ for every deer you don't recover.. there is absolutely ZERO reason for any of y'all to be toting a pea shooter. Y'all are grown men.


So .... what's the smallest centerfire rifle round a grown man should carry, in your opinion?


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Re: Sako 85 Stainless Hunter in 243 [Re: BPI] #2832884
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.22 Hornet is pretty good on rabbits.

For deer .243. Great for a 9 year old.


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Oh, Lord have mercy... I should have known once I mentioned .22-250 there would be someone or a few someone's......

Good grief.

When they made their game laws in other States and put restrictions on tiny calibers..... they had people just like y'all in mind.

If I could I would fine y'all $$$ for every deer you don't recover.. there is absolutely ZERO reason for any of y'all to be toting a pea shooter. Y'all are grown men.


So .... what's the smallest centerfire rifle round a grown man should carry, in your opinion?


Suffers from feelings of inadequacy.

Must tote a big gun. Probably drives a loud truck too.

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.243 is great. If there was a list it would be at the very bottom of that list. Last one way down there.

Why would you pick that for a deer rifle? You could make the case that it is a dual purpose varmint/deer rifle. But you are picking the worst of the worst that is only barely on that list for the simple fact that .243 is maxed out with a 100 grain magic bullet.

.22-250 - Not on that list.


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