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Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders #2811862
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Where does it stop? With all this talk of the baiting privilege permit and lifetime license holders, no one has mentioned the lifetime fishing purchase. The state also passed an additional $10 fee if you reef fish. My children, nephews and friends had been given as gifts the lifetime hunting/fishing (salt and fresh water) license with the understanding it was for their lifetime. Now, to go snapper, trigger, mingo, etc. fishing with a lifetime license they have to purchase annually another fishing permit. A lot of bitching about the $15/$51 fee and nobody noticed the temperature just went up on the frog in the pot if you fish. Can we have refunds for a breach in contract? Yeah, I know, we don't have to snapper fish. Crock of sh!t.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2811872
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Got to pay for all those manmade reefs didn't they tell you! lol

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2811882
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Oltimer, youd think this was the first time the govt. lied to you or something.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2811894
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Here's a question. Why not start selling "Lifetime Licenses with exceptions for additional fees"? Bet that would generate a lot of revenue.....

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2811912
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I've told ya'll this many times.
Chuckys goal is to make everyone buy a full price license. Period.
This ain't got nothing to with baiting, or fishing, or recreational activities whatsoever. It's money, and he's already stated his intentions. Anyone who gets an exception, in his view, is a freeloader. So he intends to punish you for buying that lifetime license and saving money.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2811979
05/21/19 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OlTimer
Where does it stop? With all this talk of the baiting privilege permit and lifetime license holders, no one has mentioned the lifetime fishing purchase. The state also passed an additional $10 fee if you reef fish. My children, nephews and friends had been given as gifts the lifetime hunting/fishing (salt and fresh water) license with the understanding it was for their lifetime. Now, to go snapper, trigger, mingo, etc. fishing with a lifetime license they have to purchase annually another fishing permit. A lot of bitching about the $15/$51 fee and nobody noticed the temperature just went up on the frog in the pot if you fish. Can we have refunds for a breach in contract? Yeah, I know, we don't have to snapper fish. Crock of sh!t.


Oltimer, the "it's just ten bucks, it's just a minor inconvenience, don't you want to help society?" crowd will tell you to be quiet. They'll tell you that you should be grateful to have the opportunity to pay extra to support the future. They'll say you're a selfish bastard for only wanting to buy a Lifetime license and not pay anything else, even though that's exactly what was expressed when you bought it.

But you're right.


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Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812017
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What are the fees for lifetime license holders? I haven’t hunted bama in several years so I haven’t really keep up with the whole baiting bill. I’ve had my lifetime since I was 16 and have never had to pay any fees unless it was for a permit to hunt some public land.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812023
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Game Check, Snapper check, Korn check. What's the big deal guys?

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812135
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bigcountry692001, it's all dependent on your age. Right at $1,200 for hunting, freshwater and saltwater for a 16 year old. Plus these BS fees that they keep adding. I bought lifetime licenses for my kids as a gift that would cover them for all expenses for their life. Clem, OlTimer in other languages does translate into SB (selfish bastard). Some of you younger guys will realize as you get older and KNOW you're getting stuck in the pooper, you kinda tighten up and resist if only on a forum. Moral of this story is I regret the purchase and would advise others against it.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812138
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Originally Posted by OlTimer
bigcountry692001, it's all dependent on your age. Right at $1,200 for hunting, freshwater and saltwater for a 16 year old. Plus these BS fees that they keep adding. I bought lifetime licenses for my kids as a gift that would cover them for all expenses for their life. Clem, OlTimer in other languages does translate into SB (selfish bastard). Some of you younger guys will realize as you get older and KNOW you're getting stuck in the pooper, you kinda tighten up and resist if only on a forum. Moral of this story is I regret the purchase and would advise others against it.


OlTimer, I'm with you. I'm tired of the continued forced revenue generation tactics and insistence that anyone who isn't on board with the mandates is an idiot with no common sense or desire to help anyone.


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Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812144
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I've had my lifetime for 30 plus years. I haven't decided on the baiting license yet. I plant a lot of fields, and on a couple of properties, I can't plant anything but green fields. I may just stick with the feeder 100 yards on those places.

I really wish someone with deep pockets would challenge the lifetime license and needing a baiting License in court. I think it stated when I bought it, it would be the only LICENSE I would ever have to purchase. So when they named it a baiting license, that should automatically exempt lifetime holders.


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Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: HHSyelper] #2812160
05/21/19 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HHSyelper

I really wish someone with deep pockets would challenge the lifetime license and needing a baiting License in court. I think it stated when I bought it, it would be the only LICENSE I would ever have to purchase. So when they named it a baiting license, that should automatically exempt lifetime holders.



Agree. IMO it's similar to the State Treasury saying the college investment plans were guaranteed and then after the 2008 crash saying "Ah, we never said that and didn't mean it THAT way." The courts got involved and the Treasury still pretty much said, "Eh, phuck it. We're not paying."

At that level they pretty much can do what they want until told otherwise by the courts. And even then, it might not be rectified completely. The "area" definition is an example. The court ruled years ago for the Department to define "area" but that became a batted around, ignored, "we're working on it, can't get it right" kind of deal for many more years until the 100-yard rule came into being. And even it is still vague.


At least we know the baiting license permit is clearly about money and nothing biological.


I thought Gov. Ivey and the Senate and her appointees were conservatives. Imposing fees upon the public is the tactic of liberals.

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Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812170
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Originally Posted by OlTimer
bigcountry692001, it's all dependent on your age. Right at $1,200 for hunting, freshwater and saltwater for a 16 year old. Plus these BS fees that they keep adding. I bought lifetime licenses for my kids as a gift that would cover them for all expenses for their life. Clem, OlTimer in other languages does translate into SB (selfish bastard). Some of you younger guys will realize as you get older and KNOW you're getting stuck in the pooper, you kinda tighten up and resist if only on a forum. Moral of this story is I regret the purchase and would advise others against it.


My son just turned 10. I told my wife I was going to start saving a little each year so when he got his car at 16 he also got a lifetime license for everything. This makes me really apprehensive because the point of it was to tell him he never had to worry about hunting and fishing in the state of Alabama anymore, he was covered.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: Clem] #2812179
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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by OlTimer
bigcountry692001, it's all dependent on your age. Right at $1,200 for hunting, freshwater and saltwater for a 16 year old. Plus these BS fees that they keep adding. I bought lifetime licenses for my kids as a gift that would cover them for all expenses for their life. Clem, OlTimer in other languages does translate into SB (selfish bastard). Some of you younger guys will realize as you get older and KNOW you're getting stuck in the pooper, you kinda tighten up and resist if only on a forum. Moral of this story is I regret the purchase and would advise others against it.


OlTimer, I'm with you. I'm tired of the continued forced revenue generation tactics and insistence that anyone who isn't on board with the mandates is an idiot with no common sense or desire to help anyone.


I believe mine was $450 but I don't think I have saltwater... As far as I know its only freshwater and hunting I could be wrong but I'll look into it.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: NSDQ160] #2812186
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Originally Posted by NSDQ160

My son just turned 10. I told my wife I was going to start saving a little each year so when he got his car at 16 he also got a lifetime license for everything. This makes me really apprehensive because the point of it was to tell him he never had to worry about hunting and fishing in the state of Alabama anymore, he was covered.



I thought about doing the same for our son for college graduation. Not going to do it now.


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Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812227
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I’m not following y’all here. Where is the state adding charges to your lifetime license? The way I’m understanding this is the baiting and reef permit is optional and is separate from the license. It is not mandatory to buy them. Am I reading something wrong?


It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.


Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812233
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The reef permit is mandatory if you fish for snapper, i believe. It would be like adding $10 every year to hunt deer, which by lifetime license, you were already allowed to hunt. I'm in favor of the reef fish permit, but I totally understand what you are saying. I'm not sure how to handle it.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: OlTimer] #2812303
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Hey guys, I have never heard of the reef permit and just looked at the list of available licenses and don't see it listed. I purchased my saltwater license the other day and I just want to make sure I am not missing something.

Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: marshmud991] #2812308
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Originally Posted by marshmud991
I’m not following y’all here. Where is the state adding charges to your lifetime license? The way I’m understanding this is the baiting and reef permit is optional and is separate from the license. It is not mandatory to buy them. Am I reading something wrong?



No marsh your'e not. But the point is where does it end? Shouldn't a fishing and hunting license be for any and all kinds of hunting and fishing since we as the residents of the state have no say so ( vote ) as to what rules are regulations are added to our constitutional rights to these resources?


It's just a matter of time when a salt water license just means you can fish in the salt water but you have to have a permit for every species of fish you catch or are fishing for. Then we will have to buy a permit to launch your boat at the public boat ramp. And don't forget about a permit to go in and out of the pass. And so on and so on...


Gone Fishin. Be back later.

Maybe the hokey pokey is what it's all about.
Re: Additional fees for Lifetime License Holders [Re: joeml18] #2812316
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Originally Posted by joeml18
Hey guys, I have never heard of the reef permit and just looked at the list of available licenses and don't see it listed. I purchased my saltwater license the other day and I just want to make sure I am not missing something.


It's in the Outdoor Alabama Weekly read from May 10. The one about flounder and sea trout changes. They kind of "hid" it before they talk about dog hunting infractions.

Bigcountry692001, the cost is all based on your age. The younger you are the more it's gonna cost you.

Marshmud991, it's not mandatory. Keeping homeowners insurance after you own your house is not mandatory either, but do you?

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