What percentage of the vote will Moore pull away from the real candidate? 20%, 25%?

Such a disaster.

It's basic math. The Democrats all vote democrat regardless or what the democratic candidate says they stand for.... or what their position is on any topic... simply because nearly all those voting for that candidate are a special interest group or some certain demographic.

The Republicans have a demographic too. It's call everyone else that works for a living, pays taxes to give to the Democrats and doesn't believe in socialism.

If people who would otherwise vote republican don't vote at all... what happens?

That lowers the total number of votes.

What happens then?

At that point it requires fewer Democrat votes to elect their candidate. Their percentage of the total is higher.


If you have 100,000 votes. 45,000 of those are going to be Democrat votes. 55,000 of those are potential Republican Votes.

If only 40,000 Republicans show up to vote... Doug Jones wins with 45,000 votes (the minority) and represents the State of Alabama as a "No" Vote on _______ . That's all the voting that is done. Alabama is a No to all of it so far. But that doesn't make any difference? You couldn't be more wrong. Just like if you had not voted for Trump and Hillary had the opportunity to put a couple liberals on the Supreme Court. No Impact of your decision to not cast a vote? Wrong. What about cabinet positions, policy and policy makers that are all appointed by the President. Your vote didn't matter still? Wrong.

How hard is that.

The common good of all your fellow Americans should be more important than your self image... seeing yourself as having some type of Moral Superiority walking down some high road. That's a bunch of total BS. You are are being counter productive period end of discussion.

I sleep better at night knowing I never helped a lowlife like Moore get into office. If you think that is some kind of self righteous moral superiority, then woe is you for not having any pride in how you vote. If Moore runs and wins the nomination, which I seriously doubt he would, and then loses to Jones again, that is not on me. That is on the stupidasses that voted for him in the primary.

What you are telling me is this.... you think he is doing a better job than Roy Moore would have done.

That's a fair statement if that's what you think.... but I'm not sure why you won't just admit you would rather have Doug Jones than Roy.

There is nothing wrong with that, really. I know lots of democrats that think Doug is doing a great job...

There is ZERO wrong with voting your conscience or in accordance with your firmly held beliefs. That is the ESSENCE of our founding as a nation---free and independent people getting their own personal say according to their belief system and/or worldview. One should never be ashamed or discouraged from voting on such grounds. Blind block party voting is one of the worst political events that can happen from a theoretical perspective because it gives power and entrenches the establishment elites in the major parties. Party power draws away from individual liberty.

However, every single YES vote or NO vote or ABSTAINING from voting does have consequences. So if and when anyone votes their conscience (or withholds a vote) just own up to the consequence. Consequences are very real even when standing on the soap box of conscience. But so often our votes are not actually based on conscience...something I see as a sacred reserved right...but rather based on preference and likability and/or some personal grudge. While block party voting can be very negative, sometimes there is a bigger picture that is more important than personal preferences. Each person has to weigh that on their own. Our elected Senators and Representatives and Presidents are elected to do certain things....can an unlikable person still do those things in a way to represent their state constituents and hold true to their platform? If so, then you need to decide who is really in the way. Yourself or the candidate? If it is a matter of true conscience, then every one of us should feel confident in our voting patterns.

My example: I was never and am not a Trump fanboy. I really just disliked significant portions of who his is, his actions, mannerisms, lack of character. But I voted for him anyway because Trump was a much better choice than was Hillary Clinton and for me this election had some major consequences that I could not accept if Hillary were to win. SO I had no choice but to vote for Trump because of what was at stake for that election.....and I refuse to vote Democratic because of the national party platform on multiple social issues due to the extreme moral decay of those positions----anyone hooking their traces to the D withe agrees or is too soft to stand firm so they will never get my vote. That was a test of my conscience....certain things I can never and will never support. I found a way to "die" to my preferences and actually cast my vote on conscience. Since Trump was elected I've been horrified at some of his antics and rhetoric nonsense and also very pleased with some of his policy decisions and judicial appointments. It's about like I expected on personal traits in some regard and better on actual policy and appointments.

I think this is very fitting on the Roy Moore discussion. Many do not like how he acts or how he talks or his various antics. I know I don't. But between him and a proud Democrat who is hooked to the traces of the DNC...it is very clear where my conviction and conscience stands...and this is OVER preference. Just food for thought to anyone this may apply to today.

I'm going to have one last post on this issue and bow out.

Jawbone, I'm with you on how I view Roy. BUT, I know what is best for Alabama and the nation as a whole, is to put a Republican in that senate seat. Even if it is, God forbid, Roy Moore. The margins in the Senate are just to tight to have a democrap occupying one of the two Senate seats from one of the most red states in the nation. Dougie tried to paint himself as moderate in the election, but he has voted lockstep with Schumer while in office. Fuggem.

My hope is that for once in his life, Roy can put his over inflated ego aside and not run. He is the ONLY Republican candidate who can lose to Dougie. ANY other Republican will beat him by at least 15%. Roy can only screw it up.

Just as a matter of perspective: Roy Moore has done 10 Million % more for the conservative and Christian cause in this
country then every single member of Aldeer combined and squared to the 1000th power.

I hope not to have to vote for Roy

Anyone that would support Roy and his predatory behavior just to support a party may have to answer for it.

I'll gladly answer for it. Because it's bullschit.
I proudly voted for him one time and would proudly vote for him again.

I understand your concept, but that's just exaggeration to be exaggeration. Judge Moore has been active and has had big impact, sure.

Thousands of Aldeer members in their own communities across the state (and nation) over the years engaged in work-businesses-careers, active in their communities, AND leading families and raising up children to fear the Lord and instilling in them foundational, principled conservative values and in the process leaving a legacy, although not in the public eye, end the end will have a far greater impact on the Christian cause which is the root of conservatism. Period. We aren't talking about Billy Graham.

Not BS man !!! When a guy says outta his own mouth “I always got the mother’s permission” speaking of younger girls of single moms...He is guilty.

Neither I, nor God, have mercy for kid diddlers and their supporters.

Don’t get mad at me for Roy’s own words fellas.

So vote for a baby murdering, fudge packing, anti-gun, anti-God, anti- American democrat instead? Damn just damn

Blame the Alabama Republican Party

I’d hope we all have learned a valuable lesson from this discussion.... Get out to vote in the primaries and the “Roy Moore’s” of the world won’t become the nominee. Being an S.C. resident, I don’t have a dog in this fight but if a better candidate (hopefully) runs in my primary election this next go around, then I’ll side with whomever that is. Just because Lindsey Graham has now decided to become a bit more conservative since McCain kicked the bucket, doesn’t mean I’ve forgotten how he is still part of the establishment. It’s time to end the reign of career politicians in our country. I’d count Moore in with the career politician crows.

Good post. Primaries are the very best place to get the right people in position. It's also a great opportunity to get involved in a candidate's campaign who matches with your convictions.

Yes

Yes it was an exaggeration!!

However, you know my point: Moore is in the fight. In the arena. Sacrificing himself. Yeah he has some oddities to him, I am sure there may even be some ego involved, but he is fighter on the front lines.

One of my major recurring criticisms of conservatives and Christians is that they are not just not in the fight, they don't even make monetary contributions to the organizations that are in the fight.

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People need to be making monetary contributions to conservative and Christian organizations on a regular basis.
I need put together a list.

Like Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, the American Center for Law and Justice, Alliance Defending Freedom, American Family Association, Pacific Legal Foundation, just for some examples.

Yep. And still more qualified to hold office than Roy Moore could ever hope to be. Guess the majority of voters agreed with me. Damn, just damn.