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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: AU338MAG] #2811223
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Originally Posted by Clem

Rem is correct. Despite the crazy costs of a license, the chance at a great buck is far greater in Iowa or Kansas than here.


Some of the 3-1/2 YO bucks in Kansas and Iowa that you pass up there would be a buck of a lifetime in Alabama.


Yep. Which is how they get to be 150, 160 or bigger in Kansas and Iowa.


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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811259
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Year before last I had 6 bucks over 150" within 50 yards of me from noon on Friday to noon on Saturday. (No shot on any of them)
Last year I had 4 bucks over 150" and two of them over 170" within 80 yards of me (wounded one) in two days.

Tell me again how it's the same here in Alabama.


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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2811266
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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Kansas:
Year before last I had 6 bucks over 150" within 50 yards of me from noon on Friday to noon on Saturday. (No shot on any of them)
Last year I had 4 bucks over 150" and two of them over 170" within 80 yards of me (wounded one) in two days.

Tell me again how it's the same here in Alabama.


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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811269
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Do you guys roll your own or go on fully guided outfitted hunts?

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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811274
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Iowa and Kansas actively manage both their herds and their pressure on them. Yes it cost more to hunt there as an out of state hunter. Say you have $900 tied up in pref points and license fees to hunt IL, IA, or KS versus $300 for an out of state Bama license. For that extra $600 you are virtually guaranteed to at least see a free range 130 class deer and in most cases have the opportunity to harvest a buck that will score between 130 and 160 and if you are lucky, kill a buck that's over 160 up to 200+. If you are on good ground, you will see more big bucks in a single day than you will in your entire life hunting free range deer in Bama. Management of the resource is what makes those other states what they are. Limited gun seasons, limited doe harvest and limited overall season length. They protect the herd with season length, timing and weapon restrictions, not antler restrictions and unlimited doe harvest over a 4 month period. Combine the limited seasons and top it off with the fact that they have virtually all the food that a deer could want with all the ag. In AL, our herd and season is managed to maximize the hunter's ability to kill deer, period. That out of state $300 you spend in Bama, means you might actually see a rack buck and if you are lucky you might kill a free range 120" deer or if you are lucky enough to hit the lottery, maybe even a 140-150", if you have access to prime property. It's like anything else, you get what you pay for and you cannot kill what does not exist where you are hunting. Bama hunting is not midwest hunting and Bama management regs are not midwest management and regs by any stretch of the imagination.

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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: abolt300] #2811279
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Iowa and Kansas actively manage both their herds and their pressure on them. Yes it cost more to hunt there as an out of state hunter. Say you have $900 tied up in pref points and license fees to hunt IL, IA, or KS versus $300 for an out of state Bama license. For that extra $600 you are virtually guaranteed to at least see a free range 130 class deer and in most cases have the opportunity to harvest a buck that will score between 130 and 160 and if you are lucky, kill a buck that's over 160 up to 200+. If you are on good ground, you will see more big bucks in a single day than you will in your entire life hunting free range deer in Bama. Management of the resource is what makes those other states what they are. Limited gun seasons, limited doe harvest and limited overall season length. They protect the herd with season length, timing and weapon restrictions, not antler restrictions and unlimited doe harvest over a 4 month period. Combine the limited seasons and top it off with the fact that they have virtually all the food that a deer could want with all the ag. In AL, our herd and season is managed to maximize the hunter's ability to kill deer, period. That out of state $300 you spend in Bama, means you might actually see a rack buck and if you are lucky you might kill a free range 120" deer or if you are lucky enough to hit the lottery, maybe even a 140-150", if you have access to prime property. It's like anything else, you get what you pay for and you cannot kill what does not exist where you are hunting.


100% correct.

To sum all that up, other states manage with the resource (deer) in mind, and Alabama, well, doesn't.

And we've just enacted legislation that makes it easier for those who operate on a "pile 'em up" system.


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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811289
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So, you want AL to start charging us a lot more for license to reduce hunting pressure, further restrict the number of bucks that can be harvested, greatly reduce the length of the season, place weapons restrictions to prohibit harvest during the Rut and other things to overall reduce the # of bucks harvested?
And, where exactly are all these bucks gonna get the high quality food needed to grow these big racks? I guess the State needs to do something about that, too?
Maybe they can figure out a way to change Bergmann's Rule in all the spare time they will gain with the Closed Seasons????

Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811298
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I have hunted as a non resident in Alabama for about 35 yrs. I don't hunt over corn but I find it funny that now you can do it if you pay an extra $51. For years people have tried to get that passed and the state said no it's bad for the deer, we may increase the occurrence of chronic wasting disease. Not that the Feds will pay them 300% for each baiting license it seems acceptable to the state. Govt never ceases to amaze me. It's all about power and money. I just want to go relax in the woods.

Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811319
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That's a big leap to make there Danny. Bama deer will never be midwest deer. I do however think that with better management: such as, limiting "individual" doe harvest in areas where needed, (2) actually having a system to be able to obtain true, complete harvest data and regulation compliance, (3) having the ability and money to hire enough wardens to actually be able to really enforce the laws that are currently on the books, and (4) having the fines high enough that if you do break the game laws in Alabama, you pay a high enough price that it'll make you think twice about ever doing it again. I'm not saying reduce the limit on bucks from the current 3 or even the season. Just actually having the personnel in place and a good system to actually enforce the 3 buck limit would go a long way. Game check is a joke and a single warden working entire counties and in some/most cases multiple counties is pretty much a joke on the enforcement side. It's like everything else, the devil is in the details and the best plan with piss poor execution and enforcement is just as bad as having a bad plan to start with, if not worse. Everyone has broken the baiting law for years because it could not be properly enforced due to a lack of personnel and time and the penalty being too low to serve as a deterrent. Here's just a few examples:

Hunting without a license resident Fine $100
Hunting without a licence non-resident Fine $825
Selling game animals $500
Hunting out of Season $250
Hunting over bait $250 (legal now with the new permit)
Running deer with dogs during stalk hunting only season $200
Exceeding bag limit on big game $100

The fines are so low that it is not a valid deterrent. If you can get away with hunting without a non-resident license in Alabama for 3 years, you're money ahead. Selling game animals, $500 fine. What a joke. Heck, you know that if you and I wanted to do that, we could easily make $1000's a week. Fact is, it's cheap as hell to be an outlaw in Alabama and that's the biggest problem with all of it. It's no wonder why so many people dont pay attention to making sure they obey the game laws of the state. Doing that little bit of research just showed me that for only $100 (if and only if, I get caught, LOL) I can kill a fourth buck or shoot two on the same day, if I happen to see second one that I like, with the only downside being that if I get caught, I have to pay a $100 fine plus court costs and forfeit the deer. I'd never do it because rules, regs are laws are there for a reason and I will not knowingly break them but that right there IMO is the biggest problem. thumbup

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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: abolt300] #2811338
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Originally Posted by abolt300


Hunting without a license resident Fine $100
Hunting without a licence non-resident Fine $825
Selling game animals $500
Hunting out of Season $250
Hunting over bait $250 (legal now with the new permit)
Running deer with dogs during stalk hunting only season $200
Exceeding bag limit on big game $100

The fines are so low that it is not a valid deterrent.



I've noted this before, too. There is no bite to the punishment in this state. None of these fines would make me think twice if I were of a mind to be an outlaw.

Shooting a deer out of season is $250? If I wanted deer meat in June or July, that wouldn't be a deterrent at all. Meh, here's your check. Exceeding the bag limit is only $100? Hahahahaha. That's a joke.

I've had my share of speeding tickets over the years. The fines are bad but not enough to make me put the cruise control on 70 all the time. BUT ... the points system does. Get docked enough points in two years and you lose your license? Yeah, I don't want that. So I try to drive within the posted limits.


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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811379
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Alabama is $312 plus $51 bait permit and I can kill deer all season long.

I even took two bucks with one shot and had the money for da fine.

Its a win-win

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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811425
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In Alabama you can hunt for FOUR full months, including purposefully extending the season so that you can shoot hundreds of yards at deer during their most vulnerable time when they are literally procreating so you can have deer next season (and most of you would double down on that if you possibly could). And I'd trade it tomorrow for two/three weeks bow hunting in Iowa.


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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811436
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You just think you would because your speaking from a “ have my cake and eat it too” standpoint. I guess it really depends on why someone hunts. These states with very few restrictions and liberal bag limits are a Blessing.

Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811444
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I could trade it.....and, don’t.

As a matter of fact, most don’t ‘trade’ it.
They simply have the means to do both.

Re: Out of state hunters [Re: JohnnyLoco] #2811448
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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Alabama is $312 plus $51 bait permit and I can kill deer all season long.

I even took two bucks with one shot and had the money for da fine.

Its a win-win

That's the whole problem is the I don't give a shucks attitude like yours!


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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811457
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How about I change my residency for the winter and get my license for free and shoot three bucks a day and pay the fines with your hard earned tax dollars? Win-win-win

You are correct, I don’t give a shucks

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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: ikillbux] #2811489
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Originally Posted by ikillbux
In Alabama you can hunt for FOUR full months

And I'd trade it tomorrow for two/three weeks bow hunting in Iowa.


And I wouldn’t. Different strokes for different folks. Hunting is fun and I don’t only want to go 2 or 3 weeks.



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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811500
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I hunt in other states, the opportunities vary, restrictions and quotas suck, advanced planning tiresome, and you almost need a wheel barrel for the law books and hunting regulations.

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Re: Out of state hunters [Re: therealhojo] #2811516
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Here's something else to think about. I think that most other states grant an exemption of have a special permit available for non-resident landowners to be able to hunt the property they own in that state without having to pay the full non-resident license fee. I think it is either 40 or 80 acres in KS and I know for a fact that it is 40 acres in IL. If you own it, you apply for a much cheaper permit to be able to hunt just your land. I'd be all for AL doing the same thing.

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Originally Posted by abolt300
That's a big leap to make there Danny. Bama deer will never be midwest deer. I do however think that with better management: such as, limiting "individual" doe harvest in areas where needed, (2) actually having a system to be able to obtain true, complete harvest data and regulation compliance, (3) having the ability and money to hire enough wardens to actually be able to really enforce the laws that are currently on the books, and (4) having the fines high enough that if you do break the game laws in Alabama, you pay a high enough price that it'll make you think twice about ever doing it again. I'm not saying reduce the limit on bucks from the current 3 or even the season. Just actually having the personnel in place and a good system to actually enforce the 3 buck limit would go a long way. Game check is a joke and a single warden working entire counties and in some/most cases multiple counties is pretty much a joke on the enforcement side. It's like everything else, the devil is in the details and the best plan with piss poor execution and enforcement is just as bad as having a bad plan to start with, if not worse. Everyone has broken the baiting law for years because it could not be properly enforced due to a lack of personnel and time and the penalty being too low to serve as a deterrent. Here's just a few examples:

Hunting without a license resident Fine $100
Hunting without a licence non-resident Fine $825
Selling game animals $500
Hunting out of Season $250
Hunting over bait $250 (legal now with the new permit)
Running deer with dogs during stalk hunting only season $200
Exceeding bag limit on big game $100

The fines are so low that it is not a valid deterrent. If you can get away with hunting without a non-resident license in Alabama for 3 years, you're money ahead. Selling game animals, $500 fine. What a joke. Heck, you know that if you and I wanted to do that, we could easily make $1000's a week. Fact is, it's cheap as hell to be an outlaw in Alabama and that's the biggest problem with all of it. It's no wonder why so many people dont pay attention to making sure they obey the game laws of the state. Doing that little bit of research just showed me that for only $100 (if and only if, I get caught, LOL) I can kill a fourth buck or shoot two on the same day, if I happen to see second one that I like, with the only downside being that if I get caught, I have to pay a $100 fine plus court costs and forfeit the deer. I'd never do it because rules, regs are laws are there for a reason and I will not knowingly break them but that right there IMO is the biggest problem. thumbup


You overlooked the biggest fine joke in Alabama, spotlighting. Since everyone wants to be like Kansas , take a look at their night hunting fines, I believe it's about $10,000.



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