I have the TC Encore Endeavor. Great ML but the original barrel that came on it new wouldn't shoot a 12" group. Got it took back to Mark's and they had TC send them a new barrel for it.

It shoots great now and I have a target with 3 shots all touching at 100 yards using the BH209 and Hornady 250 grain bullets.

I have the tc impact. I'm gonna say 2 1/2 in groups with triple 7 and whatever walmart ammo I bought. If I would get serious with it I could do better I know but I havent used it in 2 or 3 years

what about the pics you were going to send me please?

That's what I have and it's very accurate and the stainless Bergara barrel is great, easy to clean and doesn't corrode if you don't clean it when you should, just speaking for a friend

What about the CVA "Wolf"? I like the screw on breech plug. Does anyone on Aldeer haven? Pro's & Con's?

Why is this thread not in the Muzzle loader forum? Probably get better discussion.

Sorry oltimer. I posted in the wrong place. Shoot me if you can find me. It's kind of sad though. I asked 2 different men on this thread to send pics of ML's they had for sale but neither did. Oh well their loss. I found a complete CVA Wolf magnum kit for $125. It even comes with a Konus scope which I'm going to offer later for free to anyone's kids who is just starting to hunt.

That CVA Optima cost me a public land buck of a lifetime. Accuracy don't count for nothing if the trigger won't pull.

knight woverine all day long

If you can find a TC z5 omega in good shape I would recommend it. TC discontinued it and everyone says the reason was that it was too good for the price range it sold in and was hurting sales of the more expensive models. It's a drop breach design that allows you to pull the plug for easy cleaning. The one I have loaded with 100 grains of loose pyrodex behind a 250 grain Shockwave bullet will shoot 1 1/2 inch groups all day.