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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: hunterbuck]
#2809406
05/17/19 02:56 PM
05/17/19 02:56 PM
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Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 17,926 North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 17,926
North AL
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Wait until clubs begin getting broken up into "sections" and you can only hunt whichever section is assigned to you.
I thought this already happened. People hunted their "area" and if they hung a stand in an "area" that was "their area" and anyone else going in there was a fargin icehole who better leave "the area." Corn will make all this easier. Yeah, we joke about that here, but it's a real thing in Florida...pretty much everywhere in my neck of the woods. By necessity, too...not by choice. A lot of guys I know sit in the same shooting house all year long every time they go "hunting". It has to be miserable. Yep. Just another reason to hate Florida.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: hunterbuck]
#2809416
05/17/19 03:14 PM
05/17/19 03:14 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 8,979 USA
marshmud991
14 point
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14 point
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USA
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Wait until clubs begin getting broken up into "sections" and you can only hunt whichever section is assigned to you.
I thought this already happened. People hunted their "area" and if they hung a stand in an "area" that was "their area" and anyone else going in there was a fargin icehole who better leave "the area." Corn will make all this easier. Yeah, we joke about that here, but it's a real thing in Florida...pretty much everywhere in my neck of the woods. By necessity, too...not by choice. A lot of guys I know sit in the same shooting house all year long every time they go "hunting". It has to be miserable. This is how most clubs here in Louisiana are. You get 2 spots. And most won't let you hunt anywhere but those 2 stands. Can't go out in the woods and find good sign and hunt it. F$&K THAT!!!
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: longshot]
#2809417
05/17/19 03:16 PM
05/17/19 03:16 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 8,979 USA
marshmud991
14 point
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14 point
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We got 4 hopper bottom trailers on standby to haul the corn to our place. We're gonna have a yellow glow over our place.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: deerman24]
#2809827
05/18/19 06:47 AM
05/18/19 06:47 AM
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Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 2,652 Alabama
OlTimer
10 point
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10 point
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Posts: 2,652
Alabama
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if a club doesn't bait and the one next to it does. Guess which club will have all the deer. The club that baits will have all the mature deer at night. Easy answer.
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: OlTimer]
#2809850
05/18/19 07:18 AM
05/18/19 07:18 AM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 8,979 USA
marshmud991
14 point
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14 point
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Posts: 8,979
USA
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I'm beginning to think this feeding bill passage was all about generating revenue and not the betterment of wildlife in the state. Yes Sir!! A blind person can see that.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: longshot]
#2809863
05/18/19 07:35 AM
05/18/19 07:35 AM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 12,788
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I see it slightly different than that.
This Bill has been introduced in various forms for many years in the AL Legislature; which is where Laws are made/modified/deleted. The Legislature is made up of elected Representatives of the citizens of AL. The few polls that I have seen are all similar to the one I posed above showing overwhelming support. So, I feel like the Bill supports the majority of people’s desires.
Now, we all know that our DCNR in the past has either kept quiet, or actually resisted the issue of legalization of Baiting. That changed the past few years with what appears to be support of the efforts of those who want to supplementally feed the deer on their hunting properties.
In what I see as a compromise, it does appear that there was a resolution made by the DCNR to remain neutral and silent on the issue and let the votes be made without any bias from them. But, in return, they were given the Authority to cease feeding if required for Biological reasons and to also generate revenue for the Dept to offset the loss of fines and such and to help support their budget.
So, yes, money was involved. Anyone who thinks it is not a primary consideration in almost ALL decisions that are made is quite naive. But, I do not think that it was the driving force behind this Law that was created by our Legislature.
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: Hogwild]
#2809866
05/18/19 07:40 AM
05/18/19 07:40 AM
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Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 2,011 AL
therealhojo
8 point
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8 point
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AL
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I see it slightly different than that.
This Bill has been introduced in various forms for many years in the AL Legislature; which is where Laws are made/modified/deleted. The Legislature is made up of elected Representatives of the citizens of AL. The few polls that I have seen are all similar to the one I posed above showing overwhelming support. So, I feel like the Bill supports the majority of people’s desires.
Now, we all know that our DCNR in the past has either kept quiet, or actually resisted the issue of legalization of Baiting. That changed the past few years with what appears to be support of the efforts of those who want to supplementally feed the deer on their hunting properties.
In what I see as a compromise, it does appear that there was a resolution made by the DCNR to remain neutral and silent on the issue and let the votes be made without any bias from them. But, in return, they were given the Authority to cease feeding if required for Biological reasons and to also generate revenue for the Dept to offset the loss of fines and such and to help support their budget.
So, yes, money was involved. Anyone who thinks it is not a primary consideration in almost ALL decisions that are made is quite naive. But, I do not think that it was the driving force behind this Law that was created by our Legislature. I agree
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: OlTimer]
#2809931
05/18/19 09:34 AM
05/18/19 09:34 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938 Over Yonder
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Over Yonder
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I'm beginning to think this feeding bill passage was all about generating revenue and not the betterment of wildlife in the state. Aw, c'mon man. Surely you're not THAT cynical and skeptical. This clearly was about sound wildlife management, which is the basis for all decisions regarding hunting and angling laws and regulations. /not/
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: Clem]
#2809955
05/18/19 10:24 AM
05/18/19 10:24 AM
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Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,845 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,845
AL
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I'm beginning to think this feeding bill passage was all about generating revenue and not the betterment of wildlife in the state. Aw, c'mon man. Surely you're not THAT cynical and skeptical. This clearly was about sound wildlife management, which is the basis for all decisions regarding hunting and angling laws and regulations. /not/ Yep. Never had a chance of passing until they figured out a way to make money off of it. We all know that it was never about "sound wildlife management". I wonder how many folks who are in the "we're killing too many deer in this state" camp were also in favor of baiting being legalized? How are those folks going to feel in two or three years? It's not hard to kill a whitetail deer in Alabama. I hate that the state has made it even easier. Upwards sports has come to hunting.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: hunterbuck]
#2809991
05/18/19 11:35 AM
05/18/19 11:35 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938 Over Yonder
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Posts: 51,938
Over Yonder
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I wonder how many folks who are in the "we're killing too many deer in this state" camp were also in favor of baiting being legalized? How are those folks going to feel in two or three years?
They will begin the campaign for a 1-buck season and more restrictions on does.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: longshot]
#2810017
05/18/19 12:08 PM
05/18/19 12:08 PM
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Posts: 1,702 Oregon, Land of Umpqua
Alagator
8 point
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Posts: 1,702
Oregon, Land of Umpqua
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Clem said-"They will begin the campaign for a 1-buck season and more restrictions on does."
Let me tell you how that works--I am living in a one-buck state. In the western part of Oregon we have a month-long general season where we can buy a license and a tag (total $49) to shoot one blacktail buck. This year I also paid $8 to get in a drawing for a doe tag (about a 10% chance, and if I win the doe tag will be an additional $27.50). If you want to hunt mule deer in the eastern part of the state, or elk anywhere, you pay $8 to apply for a tag drawing for a week-long hunt in a particular unit. It is so complicated that the big game hunting regs and seasons brochure runs over 80 pages. There is another huge brochure for fishing, and a third for game birds. If you want a license for everything, it costs around $150 per year, and you still have to pay for additional game and fish tags---yes, we tag steelhead and salmon. Most western states have these complex regs and seasons. If you have lots of money to throw around, there are "consultants" who will help you navigate the process in each state so you have a chance at an elk or a trophy buck. There are trophy mule deer units in Oregon where over 1000 applicants vie for 10 tags. When they talk about the "hunt of a lifetime" they really mean it.
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: Alagator]
#2810022
05/18/19 12:18 PM
05/18/19 12:18 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,938 Over Yonder
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Posts: 51,938
Over Yonder
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This is the crux of the situation. It eventually gets to the point where hunters and anglers say, "Phuck it, y'all have made it too complicated and not enjoyable anymore. I quit." and they hunt squirrels or fish for bream or just quit altogether. Less. Is. More.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: No Baiting Clubs?
[Re: Clem]
#2810031
05/18/19 12:31 PM
05/18/19 12:31 PM
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Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 2,011 AL
therealhojo
8 point
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8 point
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AL
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This is the crux of the situation. It eventually gets to the point where hunters and anglers say, "Phuck it, y'all have made it too complicated and not enjoyable anymore. I quit." and they hunt squirrels or fish for bream or just quit altogether. Less. Is. More. You could always ask Alexia how to do it.
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