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Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: Bamarich2] #2808641
05/16/19 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bamarich2
Originally Posted by slayinbucks24/7
In preliminary discussions we've had so far,the proposal to issue a yellow baiting pin along with your location pin sounds like the most reasonable thing. If you present your baiting permit to the club pres,you're allowed to bait an area but must mark the area with your yellow pin to let the other members that dont bait know where not to go if they wish to stay legal.


Lots of potential issues going this route unless it's a small group of guys who respect one another. The club I help lead has mandated that members can feed as much as they want (where they want), but all 20 members must purchase the $15 permit. Members don't have to advertise where their "feeding spot" is at, but in the case another member happens to be hunting within 100 yards of it, he's still going to be legal. To make sure our guests are covered, we'll probably mandate that no one can feed within 100 yards of any shooting house and that all feed is out of sight of all shooting houses.


We'll see; we'd like to think we all respect one another. Time wil tell. We also discussed a 'no baiting within 2-300 yards of a Greenfield' rule as well. Good luck with your club. beers

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808647
05/16/19 02:44 PM
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Very few clubs use the state buck "legal" shooter guidelines so it certainly shouldn't be an issue to not use bait. Just saying! you want to change their movement to nighttime only on clubs with some pressure just put some corn out!

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808648
05/16/19 02:44 PM
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Imagine we will feed from Oct to when gun season starts, take pics like always, STOP during gun season, then start back up to take pics of what made it thru the season week after gun season goes out.


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Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808670
05/16/19 03:00 PM
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More freaking club drama. Period.

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808760
05/16/19 05:46 PM
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15 bucks is no big deal for the in state baiting permit (although I still think it is a ridiculous money/power grab by the state). I'm in the 1% of people affected here, but the $50 out of state permit is ridiculous. I paid big money for a lifetime hunting and fishing license when I lived in AL, and now that I'm a FL resident I can't hunt anywhere in AL there is bait without forking over 50 bucks a season. Makes the lifetime license seem pointless and nearly a broken promise if I paid all that money and still can't hunt at a friend's place if they have bait. There ought to be a baiting permit exception for lifetime license holders. The whole point of the lifetime license was to pay for everything you needed to hunt in a one time fee and never worry about it again the rest of your life. When I bought that lifetime license it covered any form of hunting without exception. Now they are adding an exception. What is next? A "deer tag" that isn't included in your lifetime license with a $150 out of state fee?

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: slayinbucks24/7] #2808765
05/16/19 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by slayinbucks24/7
Only allowed 1 bait site per membership and yellow pin stays there til bait is gone. All of our members are from out of town and will likely on have 1 spot they bait per trip up,so their yellow pin will stay there the duration of their trip.

But that site can’t be hunted until 10 days after the corn is gone. Not as soon as you remove the pin. So you would need to leave the pin up until all the corn is gone.

Last edited by jlbuc10; 05/16/19 06:03 PM.
Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: ALclearcut] #2808770
05/16/19 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ALclearcut
Makes the lifetime license seem pointless and nearly a broken promise if I paid all that money and still can't hunt at a friend's place if they have bait. There ought to be a baiting permit exception for lifetime license holders.


If someone would challenge it in court, I'm pretty certain they'd win. Lifetime license entitles you to a lifetime of hunting privileges. It's really that simple. And bait licenses weren't around and extra cost when we bought our lifetime licenses.

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808775
05/16/19 06:31 PM
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Southside will not bait and I understand Carney will not either.

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808779
05/16/19 06:37 PM
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I won't allow any baiting on our club. I'll put up signs so all the member know they can't put out any corn. I may put some out to do a inventory of what bucks we have but I won't let any member put any out. I'll have to let my buddy check some of my bait stations for me but I trust him so it will be ok. I may have to go at night and check some of the members cameras just to make sure they are following my rules. I don't want any drama so I'll have ride by some members on my four wheeler while they are hunting so they know I'm watching them. You have to have rules in a clubs or the members will just run over you.

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808783
05/16/19 06:43 PM
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If you can afford club dues and all the gear most people use but not a $15 permit I wont feel sorry for you when you get a ticket hunting too close to someone elses bait. that said our club hasnt decided but i do hope if it is allowed it isnt allowed on greenfields or club owned stands

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: ALclearcut] #2808791
05/16/19 06:55 PM
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Seems like much ado about nothing to me. An out of stater in a decent club is already spending several thousand dollars on gear, club dues, travel, etc. and $36 is a deal breaker? No comprende amigo. I wasn't in the pro baiting camp but I'll get the permit to avoid potential problems with green jeans, seems like a no brainer to me but what do I know? None of my business what people in other clubs anyway if it doesn't affect me

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: Squadron77] #2808831
05/16/19 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Squadron77
I may have to go at night and check some of the members cameras just to make sure they are following my rules. I don't want any drama so I'll have ride by some members on my four wheeler while they are hunting so they know I'm watching them.


Is this a joke? Surely this is a joke.



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Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: Southwood7] #2808840
05/16/19 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Squadron77
I may have to go at night and check some of the members cameras just to make sure they are following my rules. I don't want any drama so I'll have ride by some members on my four wheeler while they are hunting so they know I'm watching them.


Is this a joke? Surely this is a joke.


No kidding

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: Southwood7] #2808844
05/16/19 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Squadron77
I may have to go at night and check some of the members cameras just to make sure they are following my rules. I don't want any drama so I'll have ride by some members on my four wheeler while they are hunting so they know I'm watching them.


Is this a joke? Surely this is a joke.


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Everyone. All of them...

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Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808851
05/16/19 08:23 PM
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I can easily see this becoming a real dividing issue among members in hunting clubs.

At our club all stands are "first come, first serve". Every member can hunt any and every stand on the club except someone's personal lock on or climber.

Here is a hypothetical situation for you:

Let's say ol' Joe comes over to the club and baits up a spot near one of the food plots already on the club that we will call Stand A. He is lazy one Saturday morning getting up and gets to club just a little late. He goes over to the sign in board and ol' Pete has just signed out for the stand with ol' Joe's bait at it, Stand A. Ol' Pete doesn't bait up a spot of his own, he just doesn't want to spend the money for any corn. But remember, all stands are open to every dues paying club member in the club. Ol' Joe gets pissed because he is buying the corn at Stand A and Pete knew he had that spot baited up. Before Pete can leave the parking lot, Joe confronts him about going to "His" stand and next thing you know they are in a full blown argument. It is Joe's bait spot, but Stand A has a food plot and a shooting house that is open to any and every member because it is a club stand. Two guys who used to be amicable club members are now at odds with one another.

I can see this very situation happening at our club and at many of your clubs as well.

I have not heard yet nor do I have an idea as to what our club will do.

I hope and pray that our club decides to not allow any baiting at all.


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Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: Remington270] #2808859
05/16/19 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Squadron77
I may have to go at night and check some of the members cameras just to make sure they are following my rules. I don't want any drama so I'll have ride by some members on my four wheeler while they are hunting so they know I'm watching them.


Is this a joke? Surely this is a joke.


No kidding


I'm just kidding. There is only me and my buddy hunting 300 acres. No club.

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: Squadron77] #2808860
05/16/19 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Squadron77
I won't allow any baiting on our club. I'll put up signs so all the member know they can't put out any corn. I may put some out to do a inventory of what bucks we have but I won't let any member put any out. I'll have to let my buddy check some of my bait stations for me but I trust him so it will be ok. I may have to go at night and check some of the members cameras just to make sure they are following my rules. I don't want any drama so I'll have ride by some members on my four wheeler while they are hunting so they know I'm watching them. You have to have rules in a clubs or the members will just run over you.

Damn you got several bites quickly. Lol


Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: Remington270] #2808875
05/16/19 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by ALclearcut
Makes the lifetime license seem pointless and nearly a broken promise if I paid all that money and still can't hunt at a friend's place if they have bait. There ought to be a baiting permit exception for lifetime license holders.


If someone would challenge it in court, I'm pretty certain they'd win. Lifetime license entitles you to a lifetime of hunting privileges. It's really that simple. And bait licenses weren't around and extra cost when we bought our lifetime licenses.



And that would be the state's argument as well. I couldn't bait at all when I bought the lifetime license, so now baiting is an added privilege you have to pay more for. But I would contend that is a slippery slope they have now begun. Like I said, next it may be deer tags that cost extra, then maybe an extra week of gun season in February if you pay more etc. It could go on and on until the lifetime license becomes nearly worthless. And it is especially costly and burdensome for out of state hunters who have a lifetime license since they are charging us nearly 4x more. It's like buying a summer long pass to a water park, but then they open a new slide and tell you that particular slide isn't included in the summer pass.

Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: longshot] #2808890
05/16/19 09:04 PM
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We have discussed very little but I imagine that all members will be asked to purchase the permit. We will bait at designated feeding stations. As far as individual baiting goes we are all family ( seven members all related ) so hopefully the respect issue will not rear its head. Honestly any spot I scout out and hang a permeant stand at is for others to hunt anyways.


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Re: No Baiting Clubs? [Re: ronfromramer] #2808908
05/16/19 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Seems like much ado about nothing to me. An out of stater in a decent club is already spending several thousand dollars on gear, club dues, travel, etc. and $36 is a deal breaker? No comprende amigo. I wasn't in the pro baiting camp but I'll get the permit to avoid potential problems with green jeans, seems like a no brainer to me but what do I know? None of my business what people in other clubs anyway if it doesn't affect me



It's not the extra 36 bucks an out of state hunter pays that concerns me. It's the broken promise that came with paying $700 something bucks for a lifetime license. When I bought that license it came with a lifetime of hunting privileges by any legal means with no exceptions. That was part of why you pay all that money upfront with no possible refund. You pay a lot upfront to have the peace of mind of knowing no matter what laws they change or how much they raise license fees in the future, you can always hunt in Alabama. This baiting bill for lifetime license holders is equivalent to if you bought a PACT program for your kid's college, but then the state later decided that the PACT program wouldn't pay for a class if that class didn't exist when you bought the program. It goes completely against the concept of a lifetime license. Florida makes you buy a deer permit in addition to a hunting license, but this does not apply if you have a lifetime license for the same reason I just mentioned. A lifetime license should include everything you need to hunt by any legal means.

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