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Re: Dave Owens [Re: BamaGuitarDude] #2788163
04/18/19 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaGuitarDude
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Biggest thing I learned from watching Dave is how much to pay attention to terrain and use it to your advantage. It has also changed my calling style dramatically.


changed it in what ways??


Biggest thing is that I have switched to using mouth calls almost exclusively. It caused me to practice with them more than I used to and because of that I sound better than i ever have. Also I have changed the sounds that I use in the woods; more putts, clucks, and purrs, I rarely yelp, and a lot more use of scratching/fly down flapping. Most of that stuff is fairly common knowledge but I would say that from watching pinhoti coupled with my tactics maturing from past experience I have had a much better season this year than in the past as far as encounters and the way I have worked birds.

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Originally Posted by Coosa1
Originally Posted by BamaGuitarDude
Originally Posted by Coosa1
Biggest thing I learned from watching Dave is how much to pay attention to terrain and use it to your advantage. It has also changed my calling style dramatically.


changed it in what ways??


Biggest thing is that I have switched to using mouth calls almost exclusively. It caused me to practice with them more than I used to and because of that I sound better than i ever have. Also I have changed the sounds that I use in the woods; more putts, clucks, and purrs, I rarely yelp, and a lot more use of scratching/fly down flapping. Most of that stuff is fairly common knowledge but I would say that from watching pinhoti coupled with my tactics maturing from past experience I have had a much better season this year than in the past as far as encounters and the way I have worked birds.


awesome; thx for sharing!


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Re: Dave Owens [Re: Coosa1] #2788218
04/18/19 10:37 AM
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[quote=Coosa1Also I have changed the sounds that I use in the woods; more putts, clucks, and purrs, I rarely yelp, and a lot more use of scratching/fly down flapping. . [/quote]


lol...... Why are you in the woods doing a putt on a mouth call? That's an alarm call that will send them running for cover.


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Re: Dave Owens [Re: BC] #2788219
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Originally Posted by BC
[quote=Coosa1Also I have changed the sounds that I use in the woods; more putts, clucks, and purrs, I rarely yelp, and a lot more use of scratching/fly down flapping. .



lol...... Why are you in the woods doing a putt on a mouth call? That's an alarm call that will send them running for cover.
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Haha maybe that's not the correct word. I know not to make an alarm putt.

Re: Dave Owens [Re: Coosa1] #2788222
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Originally Posted by Coosa1
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lol...... Why are you in the woods doing a putt on a mouth call? That's an alarm call that will send them running for cover.


Haha maybe that's not the correct word. I know not to make an alarm putt.



Lmao..... I was confused. laugh


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Re: Dave Owens [Re: Coosa1] #2788319
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Originally Posted by Coosa1
... I rarely yelp ...


not to microscopically dissect this or anything ... *BUT* ... a very soft, almost tree yelp - even when the birds are on the ground - has been a super killer call in my bag over the years ... i try to yelp so softly it barely makes a sound, and i restrict it to 3 notes (or less) ... there's a time & place for loud/aggressive stuff - but a very soft yelp has worked like a champ for me ... i do agree that the soft clucks & purrs are also money ... i've spooked birds & "purred" them back to me a bunch of times ...

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Re: Dave Owens [Re: BamaGuitarDude] #2788347
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Originally Posted by BamaGuitarDude
Originally Posted by Coosa1
... I rarely yelp ...


not to microscopically dissect this or anything ... *BUT* ... a very soft, almost tree yelp - even when the birds are on the ground - has been a super killer call in my bag over the years ... i try to yelp so softly it barely makes a sound, and i restrict it to 3 notes (or less) ... there's a time & place for loud/aggressive stuff - but a very soft yelp has worked like a champ for me ... i do agree that the soft clucks & purrs are also money ... i've spooked birds & "purred" them back to me a bunch of times ...


Without a doubt they work when used right, and I do use light tree yelps but I have been using them a lot less than other sounds this year and have enjoyed the results. I guess by "rarely use" I really meant "use them a whole helluva lot less than I did when I was green and didn't know any better".

Re: Dave Owens [Re: ikillbux] #2788356
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Those guys are awesome callers but I’ve seen turkeys go the others way from them just like they do most of us! I’d love to be able to run a mouth call like them but I know that’ll never happen so I’ll just stick to what I’ve been doing, and yes I yelp at turkeys and never seen a reason to putt at em😁😁😁



Re: Dave Owens [Re: ikillbux] #2788525
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BC putts just to give em a running chance. Hes a true sportsman like that...... grin

But theyre usually too close anyways and dont make it too far! thumbup

As far as running a mouth call..personally thats really all I use. Dave is a World Champion so he ought to sound pretty good.

This year Ive actually have gotten a lot of gobblers to hit a Kee Kee run or my purrs more then yelps. They hear a lot of yelping.

I think they like the Kee Kee Run of a lost Jenny a lot. I think theyre like "Hello little girl..Im here and I like em younger". Its done well for me this year.

My first bird I killed mostly just purring and clucking..followed by 3 or 4 real soft light yelps. He didnt gobble after hitting the ground..I heard him spitting and drumming behind me.

My 2nd bird didnt gobble much either, again I heard him coming through the leaves dragging his wing tips and spitting and drumming. he drummed LOUD!

I like calling less and lighter as Im hunting near or on public land. I like them to NOT know exactly where I am , but the general area and to come in to LOOK for me.

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Re: Dave Owens [Re: ikillbux] #2788621
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I seldom watch turkey tv, and I don't go to turkey conventions, and I've never even been to a calling contest, so I don't know some of the terminology that other hunters take for granted.

But I can tell you for sure that turkeys make a sound that I would call a putt that can be deadly. It is very close to the same sound as the alarm putt, but it's different, and it means, "Where are you, my love?". It's a sound that both gobblers and hens can make, but I have heard gobblers make it more than hens.


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Re: Dave Owens [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2788684
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Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher

But I can tell you for sure that turkeys make a sound that I would call a putt that can be deadly. It is very close to the same sound as the alarm putt, but it's different, and it means, "Where are you, my love?". It's a sound that both gobblers and hens can make, but I have heard gobblers make it more than hens.


Funny timing on reading this thread but just tonight I was explaining that same putt type call to a buddy who is a new turkey hunter... only way i can put it is the cadence is different than an "alarm putt" but its not a cut or a "cluck" so i don't know what else to call it.

Re: Dave Owens [Re: ikillbux] #2788732
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All of y'all that want to hear Dave doing some of this soft talk everybody is talking about, watch this video he posted last night. Watch the first part where he is trying to drag that bird up to the disabled hunters. https://go.mossyoak.com/pinhoti-project/season:2/videos/kinda-live-episode-14-pinhoti-project

Re: Dave Owens [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2788751
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Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher

but I have heard gobblers make it more than hens.

Especially when they wander into a calling set up and don't see another turkey. I've had luck answering their 'putts' right back to put them at ease and bring them those few extra steps.

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It’s an “I’m here where are you?” Putt. I knew of a fella that could make it pretty good with a rubber band and an empty Copenhagen can with a cardboard bottom

Re: Dave Owens [Re: deerhunt1988] #2788840
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Originally Posted by deerhunt1988
Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher

but I have heard gobblers make it more than hens.

Especially when they wander into a calling set up and don't see another turkey. I've had luck answering their 'putts' right back to put them at ease and bring them those few extra steps.



Yeah, you obviously know the sound I'm talking about. There were some times when I was a kid that I had a gobbler come in and make that putt, and I thought it was the alarm putt and he had seen me. But after hunting long enough, I figured out it was just a demand for the hen to show herself.


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Re: Dave Owens [Re: ikillbux] #2788848
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Are y'all talking about the "water drop" putt?


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Re: Dave Owens [Re: North40R] #2789437
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Originally Posted by North40R
Are y'all talking about the "water drop" putt?


I hear that sound quite often when I'm turkey hunting, buts it's not the turkeys making the sound. It's usually the sound of my tears hitting the ground because the bastage beat my arse AGAIN!!!


It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.


Re: Dave Owens [Re: BrentM] #2789574
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Originally Posted by BrentM
It’s an “I’m here where are you?” Putt. I knew of a fella that could make it pretty good with a rubber band and an empty Copenhagen can with a cardboard bottom


Exactly Brent!

Ive always called it a "contact cluck". The gobbler comes in quiet, looks around and doesnt see a hen where there should be one.. He "Contact clucks" once. It sounds like 2 wood sticks hitting each other.

Its his way of saying, "IM here, where are you?"

I usually do a soft cluck right back on a mouth call, purr a little and scratch some leaves as I try my best to spot him. Sometimes they start strutting in right after you answer. When they hear that soft cluck back, purring and scratching they decide.."Oh heck..shes right over there feeding I just cant see her yet" and come a little further trying to.

I listen for that cluck as much as I do spitting and drumming. Those are the 2 sounds quiet gobblers make when they come in is my experience.



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Re: Dave Owens [Re: ikillbux] #2789694
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I think it's almost impossible for us humans to reproduce the alarm putt with the pitch ferocity and meaning that turkeys do wxcept maybe on a glass or box call? record it and listen,,,just my 2 cents

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My biggest takeaway from watching Daves videos is yeah, there calling is as good as it gets. But I have never seen anyone with the drive and tenacity that they have.Being at there spots hours ahead of time and hiking or bicycling for miles and being under turkeys before daylight. Day after day after day, Pretty impressive !


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