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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783595
04/12/19 12:01 PM
04/12/19 12:01 PM
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Posts: 51,948 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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They're both a form of baiting. One's just more easily defined and excoriated as "unsporting."
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783624
04/12/19 01:08 PM
04/12/19 01:08 PM
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Posts: 1,076 the Flatwoods
Fldoghunter
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If it's going to cost me $50 to hunt over a feeder, I won't.
May the sound of hounds never die!
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783642
04/12/19 01:26 PM
04/12/19 01:26 PM
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Posts: 9,152 B'ham
Goatkiller
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14 point
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All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does will be the victims. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out gets it blown off. Same group of hunters.
Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.
Result = Pretty much no serious impact.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: Goatkiller]
#2783645
04/12/19 01:30 PM
04/12/19 01:30 PM
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Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 2,001 North Alabama
NSDQ160
OP
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OP
8 point
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All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out get's it blown off. Same group of hunters.
Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.
Result = Pretty much no serious impact. I agree with most of your post but here in North Alabama we already don’t have a lot of deer, I think it will make an impact because of all the doe killing that’s going to happen
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783650
04/12/19 01:37 PM
04/12/19 01:37 PM
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Posts: 9,152 B'ham
Goatkiller
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Agree... If you have low numbers and neighbors that like to kill anything with hair on it.... this should seal your fate.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783682
04/12/19 02:02 PM
04/12/19 02:02 PM
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
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For those who don't understand the difference, come to my house and I will explain it.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783745
04/12/19 02:52 PM
04/12/19 02:52 PM
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Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,717 NW AL
Hayzeus
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All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out get's it blown off. Same group of hunters.
Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.
Result = Pretty much no serious impact. I agree with most of your post but here in North Alabama we already don’t have a lot of deer, I think it will make an impact because of all the doe killing that’s going to happen I don't know what part of North Alabama that you're talking about. The part of North Alabama that I stays in is covered up with deer. More than were around in the 70's, 80's or 90's. Kill em all.
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783750
04/12/19 02:55 PM
04/12/19 02:55 PM
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Posts: 51,948 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Marshall County has areas virtually devoid of deer. Parts of Morgan County, too. By that I mean a huntable population that can withstand hunting pressure and mortality, even extremely limited, along with natural mortality.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2783873
04/12/19 05:09 PM
04/12/19 05:09 PM
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Clem
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Deer are crepuscular, not nocturnal. They move every 4-6 hours no matter what but mostly at dusk and dawn. Hunting pressure, noise and and unfamiliar smells are more apt to keep them from being seen than corn. https://crepuscularstuff.com/are-deer-crepuscular-nocturnal-or-diurnal/Like you, I've seen deer and hogs show up at a spincast feeder within minutes of it going off. They know what it is, where it is and when it goes off. Have seen this in Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Texas and 5-6 other states during hunting season or outside of it. They're highly trainable animals.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: bama1971]
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04/12/19 06:37 PM
04/12/19 06:37 PM
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Posts: 1,076 the Flatwoods
Fldoghunter
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If it's going to cost me $50 to hunt over a feeder, I won't. wont hunt over the feeder, or wont pay? ha Won't hunt over a feeder. Always do everything I can to stay legal. Now I guess you'll be able to follow the "area definition" rule and risk officer discression (from what I've read), or as a NR pay $51 and hunt where you can see it and not worry about a ticket? Seems silly to me. Easier not to bother with a feeder. The one private place I can hunt over a feeder in Fl, the deer don't really seem that drawn to corn that much. I imagine it could very well be different in Al. I know they dont give a darn about salt in Fl, and they sure seem to in Al. I guess it will still be alright to have a feeder to get pics off of in the off season (without extra cost)? Would have been nice not to have to worry about a granule or 2 that didn't get consumed by season.
May the sound of hounds never die!
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2784021
04/12/19 08:05 PM
04/12/19 08:05 PM
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Posts: 4,120 GA
UncleHuck
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I believe corn and protein in Texas are different from here because they run feeders year round, not just during deer season.
There are no deer on the low fence ranch I hunted near Laredo last year that can remember a time with no feeders. I am aware of 11 deer over 5 years old killed in daylight hours on that ranch, 4 during the 4 days that I was there.
I killed two of those, and personally saw another 12-15 mature bucks, over 4 years old, at or near feeders. Some came to eat, and some came for the does.
Corn is legal in Georgia, and the feeder in my food plot was turned on last year when that changed. It will be filled and run at least a little year round as long as I own the property.
He who has the does, will draw the bucks from his neighbors.
I had an outstanding season this past year. 6 bucks total, 2 chasing does, 2 at/near feeders, and 2 on green fields, all low/no fence private land. Personally, I don't see the difference between feeders, food plots, and hunting near estrus does. They are all attractants, same as persimmon trees, fall apple trees, and good acorn crops. Whether you planted or scattered it has little to do with you hunting an attractant/food source.
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: NSDQ160]
#2784194
04/13/19 06:08 AM
04/13/19 06:08 AM
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Posts: 1,076 the Flatwoods
Fldoghunter
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6 point
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I keep reading how feeders make bucks more nocturnal. How so?
I have no real experience with feeders, so maybe I'm missing something. I just dont see why it would.
May the sound of hounds never die!
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: Fldoghunter]
#2784199
04/13/19 06:20 AM
04/13/19 06:20 AM
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Posts: 34,392 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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I keep reading how feeders make bucks more nocturnal. How so?
I have no real experience with feeders, so maybe I'm missing something. I just dont see why it would. I don't buy it either, I wouldn't think any more than over hunting plots or over hunting a general area.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots
[Re: Hayzeus]
#2784202
04/13/19 06:26 AM
04/13/19 06:26 AM
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Posts: 34,392 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out get's it blown off. Same group of hunters.
Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.
Result = Pretty much no serious impact. I agree with most of your post but here in North Alabama we already don’t have a lot of deer, I think it will make an impact because of all the doe killing that’s going to happen I don't know what part of North Alabama that you're talking about. The part of North Alabama that I stays in is covered up with deer. More than were around in the 70's, 80's or 90's. Kill em all. I concur , newbie should get out more. Maybe some pockets of NA don't have many deer , but they may have a young, expanding herd and can't support a lot of deer anyway. Can't paint all of NA with the same brush.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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