Plots , feeders can require different degrees of effort , if they both attract deer and you shoot them while there, they are both B A I T! Honest!

You're so wrapped around the axle because you believe someone is implying some criticism of someone's hunting skills as has been mentioned like 50 times.... I for one am not saying that. What I am saying is to get the ground prepped, get the seed in it, covered, fertilized, etc. takes a lot more effort that just dumping a bad of corn out. I am also saying that deer traditionally use food plots at night whereas you can dump corn out right outside of cover and set timers on feeders to get them to trend use in daylight. It's two totally different ball games. The work required for one doesn't equal the other. It's extremely naïve to say or even imply that it is. They both attract deer. But they both do not equal the same amount of work to attract those deer.

Again, the amount of work expended by the hunter has no bearing in the discussion, nor does the time of day or the money that it costs to do so. If one of us does 200 pushups with a bag of corn on his back, and chews the bag open with his teeth before pouring it into the feeder, would that change your mind? That's a lot more effort than just cutting it open.


If it is food or any other attractant, and you hunt over or near it, it is bait.

The state got this wrong, just like so much else. If you cut your corn with a bushhog, that's legal to hunt over. If the deer eat all that corn, and you go throw some additional out, that's baiting. IT's all corn, and their regulations don't change that.

The govenments, state and federal, worry so much about the migratory doves in this country, but any shooter can go to Central America and kill thousands in a 2-3 day trip. It's the same flocks that were so carefully protected here, and they are shot over bait there, then fed to the hogs.

None of us are arguing that food plots require more effort than putting out a bag of corn. Food plots do require a lot of work and maintenance, and usually take hours of work. A bag of corn can be carried in on an atv and dumped 50 yards in front of your stand with in 15 minutes and requires very little effort. I totally agree.

But at the end of the day that food plots purpose is to attract deer and that 50 pounds of corn was put out to attract deer.

Once again we are not arguing that one takes more work than the other and anyone who thinks the way some one hunts is lazy is entitled to that opinion. I am a fan of food plots and we will continue to plant food plots because they are great tools to attract deer on to your property.

I don't think anyone should make the assumption that anyone is lazy because no one knows another person's situation. Just because a guy is pouring out corn doesn't mean he's lazy, just means he poured out corn. May mean he doesn't have the money to buy a tractor and implements, or even enough money to rent them or hire them. No one knows what another person is going through. I wasn't implying that anyone else is lazy, just that the two methods weren't the same to get to the point of actually attracting the deer.

I wasn’t referring to you when I said that. I was referring to other people like OutBack

If anyone thinks that a little time to spray some chemicals and then throw out some seed and fertilizer is more work than setting and maintaining feeders year-round, it simply shows how naive and ignorant to the situation that they really are.

Welcome back. I hope you're doing well.

Well I'll just stick to my plots and I'll keep referring to them as what they are............. B A I T ! I'm done, Dog's gone.

Now you know I don't believe that and didn't say that. But the legal definition is the only one that matters to me in how I manage my land. The state has changed the legal definition before, and will probably do it again. I have changed my practices in accordance with their definitions before, and might do it again in the future. That doesn't mean I agree with it or like it; just the way it is.

Based on all of your posts over the years, I don't really think we disagree on anything here.

My God, sir, are you trying to be the laziest most unsporting horrible terrible killer of wildlife ever? Food plots AND feeders in them? And MINERALS?


HAVE YOU NO SHAME, SIR?

Lmbo!

That's the truth right there. I am doing both and the plots take WAY less time and effort than the feeders. I'm not going to get into the ethics of one vs the other because I don't care. I just wish we would get some damn rain for these plots.

I guess because I do the throw and mow method versus conventional till and I plan to use a feeder , well then i'm the lowest of the scumbag anti till, corn feeding baiting SOB around. I'm ok with that. But really, ya'll are saying because it takes more money and time, that's the reason a plot is not bait? Holy moly.

Yes, that's what some (or many) believe. Because you take more time, exert more energy, spend more money and provide "nutrition" for "wildlife" EVEN THOUGH THE WHOLE INTENT IS TO GROW BIG BUCKS AND KILL DEER then you're a better person and are not "really" baiting but are providing "food" the deer don't have (even though they probably have enough already).

It's the same thing with anything.

If you fly fish, using a dainty 3- or 4-weight bamboo rod with dry flies makes you far better than the Godless heathens with the 9-foot 8-weight and colored line and nymph-streamer-droppers and GOD FORBID YOU USE A STRIKE INDICATOR!

If you play golf and play up a slot on the tees to, y'know HAVE FUN, instead of playing back or at the tips, you're not a real golfer.

It's all bullchit. Food plots are nothing but legalized baiting and have been for years, merely to make people feel better about killing animals instead of doing it with "bait" - corn for deer, carcasses for bears, a red Coke can on a stick in a field for turkeys, whatever.

This ^. A thousand times this^.

My family has both planted plots and ran feeders for decades. The year round feeders are way more work than a one day and done food plot. I just chuckle at the pitiful lack of knowledge demonstrated by the people who think all it would take to kill deer over corn is carrying a 50 pound sack and pouring it out on the day you plan to hunt. LOL! Corn is just food. It's not magic. It doesn't emit a telepathic vibe through the airwaves to draw deer. They have to find it, get used to it consistently being there before it starts to attract them. That means keeping a steady supply of it in a certain place for a long time. Let a feeder run out, break down, battery die, anything that interupts the constantly supply and they rapidly quit coming. Then you have to start all over at square one slowly drawing them back again. It's a year round proposition. How many people are still doing anything to a food plot in april, may, june, etc?

But all of this is irrelevant. Which one requires the most effort has no bearing on what they are. They are both sources of food that can be used as bait.

If I go to the store and buy a recurve bow, it's a bow. If I spend 3 months hand crafting my own recurve bow by hand when I get finished you know what I will have when I'm done? A f%&@ing bow!! How hard is that to understand?

Are y’all still talking about this?

Is a plot still considered bait if it's planted in rye grass with no lime or fertilizer?

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