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Baiting vs Food Plots #2783586
04/12/19 11:49 AM
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Who’s just going to bait now versus food plots?

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783595
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They're both a form of baiting. One's just more easily defined and excoriated as "unsporting."


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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783605
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Hell of a lot cheaper to do food plots, but yes I agree, there's no difference between the two, IMO.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783624
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If it's going to cost me $50 to hunt over a feeder, I won't.


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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783642
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All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does will be the victims. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out gets it blown off. Same group of hunters.

Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.

Result = Pretty much no serious impact.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: Goatkiller] #2783645
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out get's it blown off. Same group of hunters.

Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.

Result = Pretty much no serious impact.


I agree with most of your post but here in North Alabama we already don’t have a lot of deer, I think it will make an impact because of all the doe killing that’s going to happen

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783650
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Agree... If you have low numbers and neighbors that like to kill anything with hair on it.... this should seal your fate.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: Fldoghunter] #2783651
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Originally Posted by Fldoghunter
If it's going to cost me $50 to hunt over a feeder, I won't.


wont hunt over the feeder, or wont pay? ha

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783682
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For those who don't understand the difference, come to my house and I will explain it.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783745
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Originally Posted by NSDQ160
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out get's it blown off. Same group of hunters.

Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.

Result = Pretty much no serious impact.


I agree with most of your post but here in North Alabama we already don’t have a lot of deer, I think it will make an impact because of all the doe killing that’s going to happen


I don't know what part of North Alabama that you're talking about. The part of North Alabama that I stays in is covered up with deer. More than were around in the 70's, 80's or 90's. Kill em all.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783750
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Marshall County has areas virtually devoid of deer. Parts of Morgan County, too. By that I mean a huntable population that can withstand hunting pressure and mortality, even extremely limited, along with natural mortality.


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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783859
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I imagine the old guys I hunt with are going to go “corn crazy” if this bill passes we already have 2 feeders on our 300 acres. I imagine we’ll move those 2 feeders into a field or infront of a stand, or well put a stand 50 yards away from the feeders.

One of the guys has already talked about what greenfields he would like to put a feeder in if the bill ever passed. To answer tquestion though, we’ll definitely still plant greenfields.

And like Clem said food plots are just a legal, less frowned upon method of baiting.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783866
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I hunt Central Alabama. Deer density is average. We have some nice bucks on the place. We had 8 members last year. 4 of them used corn regularly. None of those 4 killed anything to write home about. One guy killed a basket 8 point. Maybe a doe or 2. Now they had a million pictures of nice bucks. But all they did, was turn a nocturnal animal into an even more nocturnal animal. Those shooters were showing up every night around 11:30 PM to wipe out the corn. Repeat the next night and so forth. They couldn't understand why they wasn't seeing the good bucks during their hunts. Jackwagons…

I bow hunted in Laredo, TX a few years ago. Corn is legal. You can pour the corn there, walk to your blind and by the time you zip it up, the deer start coming. I haven't seen it work that way where I hunt in Alabama. It hurt us this year. In my opinion. But to each his own.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2783873
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Deer are crepuscular, not nocturnal. They move every 4-6 hours no matter what but mostly at dusk and dawn. Hunting pressure, noise and and unfamiliar smells are more apt to keep them from being seen than corn.

https://crepuscularstuff.com/are-deer-crepuscular-nocturnal-or-diurnal/


Like you, I've seen deer and hogs show up at a spincast feeder within minutes of it going off. They know what it is, where it is and when it goes off. Have seen this in Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Texas and 5-6 other states during hunting season or outside of it. They're highly trainable animals.


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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: bama1971] #2783944
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Originally Posted by bama1971
Originally Posted by Fldoghunter
If it's going to cost me $50 to hunt over a feeder, I won't.


wont hunt over the feeder, or wont pay? ha

Won't hunt over a feeder.

Always do everything I can to stay legal. Now I guess you'll be able to follow the "area definition" rule and risk officer discression (from what I've read), or as a NR pay $51 and hunt where you can see it and not worry about a ticket? Seems silly to me. Easier not to bother with a feeder.

The one private place I can hunt over a feeder in Fl, the deer don't really seem that drawn to corn that much. I imagine it could very well be different in Al. I know they dont give a darn about salt in Fl, and they sure seem to in Al. I guess it will still be alright to have a feeder to get pics off of in the off season (without extra cost)? Would have been nice not to have to worry about a granule or 2 that didn't get consumed by season.


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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2784021
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I believe corn and protein in Texas are different from here because they run feeders year round, not just during deer season.

There are no deer on the low fence ranch I hunted near Laredo last year that can remember a time with no feeders. I am aware of 11 deer over 5 years old killed in daylight hours on that ranch, 4 during the 4 days that I was there.

I killed two of those, and personally saw another 12-15 mature bucks, over 4 years old, at or near feeders. Some came to eat, and some came for the does.

Corn is legal in Georgia, and the feeder in my food plot was turned on last year when that changed. It will be filled and run at least a little year round as long as I own the property.

He who has the does, will draw the bucks from his neighbors.

I had an outstanding season this past year. 6 bucks total, 2 chasing does, 2 at/near feeders, and 2 on green fields, all low/no fence private land. Personally, I don't see the difference between feeders, food plots, and hunting near estrus does. They are all attractants, same as persimmon trees, fall apple trees, and good acorn crops. Whether you planted or scattered it has little to do with you hunting an attractant/food source.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2784031
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I like it when our neighbors are running feeders. All the hogs disappear and we get to shoot deer for a change.

Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: NSDQ160] #2784194
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I keep reading how feeders make bucks more nocturnal. How so?

I have no real experience with feeders, so maybe I'm missing something. I just dont see why it would.


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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: Fldoghunter] #2784199
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Originally Posted by Fldoghunter
I keep reading how feeders make bucks more nocturnal. How so?

I have no real experience with feeders, so maybe I'm missing something. I just dont see why it would.


I don't buy it either, I wouldn't think any more than over hunting plots or over hunting a general area.



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Re: Baiting vs Food Plots [Re: Hayzeus] #2784202
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Originally Posted by Hayzeus
Originally Posted by NSDQ160
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
All this is going to do is make it easier for people who already simply hunt to just shoot something.... that being mainly young deer that will ultimately show themselves at a feeder during daylight hours. In particular ammo sales will go up if we get some cold weather. Young Bucks and Does. You won't be able to beat them off the feeder with 5 boxes of shells. Same deer that show up first to the food plots... first one that sticks it's nose out get's it blown off. Same group of hunters.

Kill more spikes. Kill more does. Still won't report their kills. Less Effort.

Result = Pretty much no serious impact.


I agree with most of your post but here in North Alabama we already don’t have a lot of deer, I think it will make an impact because of all the doe killing that’s going to happen


I don't know what part of North Alabama that you're talking about. The part of North Alabama that I stays in is covered up with deer. More than were around in the 70's, 80's or 90's. Kill em all.


I concur , newbie should get out more. Maybe some pockets of NA don't have many deer , but they may have a young, expanding herd and can't support a lot of deer anyway. Can't paint all of NA with the same brush.



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