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Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed #2740150
02/17/19 08:59 AM
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I was reading the thread about longer range guns that a good shooter can shoot accurately out to 500-600 yards. Cuz-Pat stated he has killed out to 530 yards with the setup he pictured. I realize from the picture he uses a solid rest and bags for an accurate shot. Here is my problem-Yesterday I had a coyote in the pasture a little over 150 yards. I placed my rifle on the top of a metal T Post to better steady my shot. He was walking and I fired and he takes off like he wasn't touched. At about 250 when he is burning it up directly from me, I fire again and miss. I didn't think I touched him, but I drew blood on the first shot. He never dropped in sight. Don't know where I hit him.

I have a history of about 50-50 on shots over 100 yards. I just need all the expert advice on how to up my percentage on kills at distances of over a hundred yards. I sometimes get lucky and have a post to lay my guns across, but not every time. I'm all ears for being a better longer range shooter than I am and plan on going through a lot of brass before next season to get better.

Thanks for all the help in advance
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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740162
02/17/19 09:23 AM
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The first thing I would do is upgrade your trigger.

Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740168
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Here is a drill to do. Set your gun up (unloaded of course) and stack 3-4 dimes on the barrel. Practice dry firing without letting the dimes fall off. Get an upgraded trigger. On all of my long range rigs I have about a 1-2 lb trigger.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740176
02/17/19 09:40 AM
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get a .22 LR rifle that comes close to matching your centerfire rifle in balance, set-up, etc., with a good trigger. practice, practice, practice at shorter distances in hunting scenarios ...


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740178
02/17/19 09:42 AM
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Some Marriott/Auburn
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Equipment wise, consider a small sandbag. I have one I keep in my backpack that works great for box blind windows, fence posts etc.
https://www.wrightsandbaggers.com/index.html

I think they're still in business.

Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740182
02/17/19 09:44 AM
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I placed my rifle on the top of a metal T Post to better steady my shot. This might be part of the problem. Did you have yThen, our hand under the fore arm? I'm not a sharp shooter myself nor a 2,000 yard sniper, but ...... 250 yards at a coyote running directly from you is nothing to sneeze at either. Next, 50-50 on shots over 100? My .02 for you, and take it more for some others, because I have a feeling you already know these. I have two suggestions for you. One, stay inside of 100 yards. Two, get your .22 out and go have "working fun" at a bunch of targets at different ranges from 20 yards to 100 yards.

Clays and swinging at the eves of your house for wing shooters in the off season, (a lot of spouses don't like guns being swung inside the house), if your the man of the house and rule that house, you are either single or inline for it., .22 for handgun owners all the time, .22 for riflemen a lot in the offseason and even during the season, and dry firing on a spent round at least once a week.

If we all really want to get better I believe in friendly competition. The key word is friendly. One saying I have for people, "If you are in a group, and you are the smartest person in that group, you need a different group." That doesn't mean you have to leave the original group, because in that group you are the mentor, but you need another group where your are being mentored and growing. You can't grow if you are not being challenged.

I think you probably know all of these and you are just wanting to see what others on here have to say about your abilities.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740195
02/17/19 10:12 AM
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When I was a kid, all we did was dog hunt with shotguns, so I learned to jerk the trigger at an early age. I still struggle with squeezing the trigger on my turkey gun. Took me into my late 20's before I could shoot a deer with confidence out past 200. Most of my triggers are factory, but a good trigger helps. It's all mental imo. You have to apply even steady pressure while holding the crosshairs still and let the gun surprise you when it goes off. I tell my kids you have to do those two things at the same time. It's against human nature to "not flinch" so I say practice, practice. Triggers are not magic bullets though, I'd lean more toward weight of the rifle. Takes more to flinch it. I sighted in a guys BAR the other day and it took me 5 shots I think to dial it in. Horrible, heavy, creepy trigger, but I squeezed it until it went off and it shot good. If I get a deer inside 300 now (in one of my shooting houses) he's dead.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740258
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Good habits and routine. Just get in a mental checklist and no matter what go about every shot in that order. I developed a slight flinch a few years ago and tried everything I knew to get out of and I only showed up every now and then. It was due to noise from muzzle blast. A friend of mine showed me the Howard leight ear protection and I keep em on my bino harness everyday. Problem is solved bigtime. Wish I’d covered my ears long time ago. It was just a subconscious flinch but little goes a long way.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740344
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Practice. Also, some serious questions, is your rifle sighted in? At what distance? Who sighted it in? Have you shot it at a target? Are you shooting the same ammunition that was sized to sight the rifle in? 200 yards with a center fire rifle and a scope should be no problem.

Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740373
02/17/19 02:41 PM
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Lots of good advice in this thread but nobody has given him the right answer...

6.5Creedmoor ... according to what I've read here 6.5CM is the alpha and omega of accuracy, efficiency, & deadliness. rolleyes

Sight in at a known yardage, practice, execute.
No substitute for trigger time.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740399
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I would also ask, you might need to learn to judge distance.

Last edited by doekiller; 02/17/19 08:19 PM. Reason: No need to be an ass
Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: doekiller] #2740400
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Originally Posted by doekiller
I would also ass, you might need to learn to judge distance.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740423
02/17/19 04:05 PM
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Alot of good advice and you left a few questions unanswered. Make sure your hunting with the same ammo you practice and sight in with. Most rifles sighted in 1" high @100 yards will be the same hold at 200. Practice, practice, practice. You can shoot a .22 just to get some trigger time and will help if your recoil shy and don't even realize it. Then practice some more. Don't shoot at the deer, pick a spot on the deer and shoot that spot.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740435
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Tikka 7mm-08 Zeiss Conquest scope is my hunting setup I shoot the coyotes with. Remington core-lok from the same lot. Sighted in 1" high at 100 yards and will shot 1 inch groups all day long from my lead sled on my bench. Distance judging is a no brainier so no issues here with holdover. I just have trouble with the shots that aren't from the bench and are many times free handed. I want to practice and do what the good ones do to make it happen.

It drives me absolutely bonkers when I miss. Too much OCD says my wife.
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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740445
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You just told yourself where you need help, get off the bench. Offhand practice with a .22 for trigger time . Offhand practice with your 7-08. Practice prone, kneeling and standing. I know you already know this , but once you get off the bench, prone gives you the best stability followed by kneeling and standing off hand . The bench is only for making sure you're on target and hitting where you're aiming.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740458
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I’d also shoot it without the lead sled just to insure it’s shooting right


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740462
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You just told yourself where you need help, get off the bench. Offhand practice with a .22 for trigger time . Offhand practice with your 7-08. Practice prone, kneeling and standing. I know you already know this , but once you get off the bench, prone gives you the best stability followed by kneeling and standing off hand . The bench is only for making sure you're on target and hitting where you're aiming.


“If you do not conquer self, you will be conquered by self.” Napoleon Hill
The most difficult thing to understand during conversation is silence. Thoreau
Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740525
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Get rid of that stupid lead sled. How can you learn to shoot when you don't know how to achieve a consistent shoulder hold with your rifle. Use a rest like a Caldwell rock and rear sandbag. 7-08 with 140 gr bullets will need to be @ 1-3/4" high at 100 yards for a 200 yard zero

Practice by dry firing at the range. Follow through the trigger squeeze and see if you aim has shifted after the trigger breaks. Practice by dry firing until you can follow through and maintain, your point of aim. The start shooting.


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: Teacher One] #2740605
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I've missed my share but when I calm down and just focus on crosshairs on animal let the trigger surprise u you'll do better I missed buck of lifetime at 100yrds this year then killed one at 260 couple weeks later.. I have to think about the process I also killed a yote at 240 couple weeks ago..i got bad habits and have to concentrate a lil harder to make good shots..i don't shoot enough for it to be 2nd nature for me...pistol is different story...


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Re: Shots over 100 yards: Mentors Needed [Re: James] #2740616
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by doekiller
I would also ass, you might need to learn to judge distance.


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