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Shady lease in butler al #2736882
02/13/19 03:33 PM
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Has anyone ever heard of a Jerry turner from up around the butler area? I talked with him about some land he had for lease. He said he does not own the land and is not a land agent either. He just said he is over a bunch of clubs around the butler area and that he leases out the land to all the clubs. He said they were all called Jerry turner hunting club. It sounded a little shady to me and I just wanted to see if anyone knows or has heard of him?

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2736908
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So he is sub leasing leased properties? Sounds legit........ popcornRun far and fast


Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote
Well, the way I see it is there's just too many assholes
On a good day there's a bunch of assholes in here. On a bad day there's too many assholes in here.
Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2736937
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Lol. Jerry Turner County, Al I call bs.

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2736947
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I know several guys in S Montgomery county who lease a bunch of land, keep the turkey rights and sub lease the deer hunting to local and out of state deer hunters. It wouldn't be any surprise to me if that is what he is doing.

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2736949
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Yea That’s what I thought. He told me that he doesn’t sub lease the properties but would right me a contract. That sounds exactly like a sub lease to me to but he said it wasn’t so I figured something fishy was going on. I asked him if all the properties were timber company land or whatever and he just was very short and said no he is over a bunch of clubs and has any amount of land I am interested in. Also said he wasn’t the land owner either. Starting to think he is just telling me he doesn’t sub lease it just to keep hisself from getting in trouble with the actual timber companies or whoever owns all the parcels of land.

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2736986
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He is a good guy. I know him very well. I have delt with him on a bunch of properties

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2736993
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Timber companies will pull the lease quick if they are aware he is sub leasing it. I'd bet good money, He has signed a contract that states that.......


Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote
Well, the way I see it is there's just too many assholes
On a good day there's a bunch of assholes in here. On a bad day there's too many assholes in here.
Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2737051
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How does he have access to the properties? Does he own the land or know the land owners?

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2737086
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Don’t know the guy, but I’d guess it’s semantics. For many years, I called around to clubs with timber company seeking turkey leases. When someone would say “our owner doesn’t allow subleasing”, I’d counter with “would you be willing to sell me a ‘turkey only member’ and agree not to take on a second?” That opened up a LOT more opportunities! it was all about semantics.

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2737139
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Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Bamarich2] #2737676
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Originally Posted by Bamarich2
Don’t know the guy, but I’d guess it’s semantics. For many years, I called around to clubs with timber company seeking turkey leases. When someone would say “our owner doesn’t allow subleasing”, I’d counter with “would you be willing to sell me a ‘turkey only member’ and agree not to take on a second?” That opened up a LOT more opportunities! it was all about semantics.


You're right. Exclusive turkey only membership is indistinguishable from a sublease. It's the same thing.

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2737896
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These timber companies aren't so headstrong about sub-leasing even though they have it in their lease agreement. As long as the money comes in, when it is due, that is about all they care about.

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2737946
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Originally Posted by Hold-Em-Hook
Yea That’s what I thought. He told me that he doesn’t sub lease the properties but would right me a contract. That sounds exactly like a sub lease to me to but he said it wasn’t so I figured something fishy was going on. I asked him if all the properties were timber company land or whatever and he just was very short and said no he is over a bunch of clubs and has any amount of land I am interested in. Also said he wasn’t the land owner either. Starting to think he is just telling me he doesn’t sub lease it just to keep hisself from getting in trouble with the actual timber companies or whoever owns all the parcels of land.


That's because he was going to give you a license and not a lease. A license is a personal right to be on and use the property for a specified purpose.

This is what most timber companies do also. People call it a "lease" but it is really a license to use the property for hunting.

Re: Shady lease in butler al [Re: Hold-Em-Hook] #2738091
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Seems responsible to me


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