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Pa. CWD Press Conference #2735475
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Posted by: RepMaloney
Published on Feb 4, 2019
Pa. State Rep. Dave Maloney attends a press conference intended to inform the public as to the severity of CWD.



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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2735487
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Man, that's hard to watch. The guy said "Scabies". Fairly certain he meant "Scrapie". Big difference!

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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2735505
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I posted this article about a year ago or so. Article was published Dec. 13 2017

https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/sports/article_fa256ae6-d5f2-11e7-a3be-e7d4e11261c1.html

Bastian said he believes he is now within a year or two of being able to produce a test hunters can use to determine if their animal is carrying CWD.




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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: Shotts] #2735671
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Originally Posted by Shotts



Gonna be Wisconsin Part 2.


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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: swamp_fever2002] #2735681
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Originally Posted by swamp_fever2002
I posted this article about a year ago or so. Article was published Dec. 13 2017

https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/sports/article_fa256ae6-d5f2-11e7-a3be-e7d4e11261c1.html

Bastian said he believes he is now within a year or two of being able to produce a test hunters can use to determine if their animal is carrying CWD.


It’s quoted like its science buts that’s the quack who has professed bacteria causes prion diseAse, not prions. 🤣 he’s a Louisiana researcher🤣🤣🤣🤣


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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2735751
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Scary stuff

Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2735775
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https://www.outdoornews.com/2018/12...-causes-chronic-wasting-disease-in-deer/

In the world of TSEs, Bastian conducts experiments on a research island. He refuses to be led by the prevailing winds of the prion explanation, mainly because there are problems with the prion theory. Prion scientists can’t explain why the protein isn’t present in five to 10 percent of all infected animals, can’t reproduce prions in the lab (the gold standard for scientific explanations) and can’t explain how prions change into different diseases.

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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: Shotts] #2736119
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Originally Posted by Shotts
https://www.outdoornews.com/2018/12...-causes-chronic-wasting-disease-in-deer/

In the world of TSEs, Bastian conducts experiments on a research island. He refuses to be led by the prevailing winds of the prion explanation, mainly because there are problems with the prion theory. Prion scientists can’t explain why the protein isn’t present in five to 10 percent of all infected animals, can’t reproduce prions in the lab (the gold standard for scientific explanations) and can’t explain how prions change into different diseases.



Here we go again Shotts. You can put a CWD prion next to a normal healthy prion and it morphs it into an messed up protein. Boom that’s pretty damn good proof that one begets the other.

What does your guy insist on? Well your guy says that because scientists haven’t found a way to create something like CWD in a test tube, diseased prions must not be the cause. We’ll scratch your head on that buddy. By his own logic, bacteria can’t be the cause either because scientists haven’t figured out a way to create them in a test tube either. Self professed quack.


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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2736143
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First of all I don’t have a guy your orientations may lean that way but don’t project those taste on to the rest of us. Is he a quack I don’t know I haven’t read any of his peer reviewed works, but I would venture no more so than the a lot of other self serving “researchers” with an agenda. He seems to be getting a fair bit of press and is upsetting the apple cart on the common theory. Is it wishful thinking maybe but I suspect if he develops an effective field test kit and nothing else then I would say he has made more of a contribution to the solution than the majority of the others currently injecting cwd in brains of animals and claiming they have made a earth shattering discovery when said specim gets sick.

I am glad to see sportsmen getting involved and pushing back on the states wholesale extermination of large numbers of animals, despite studies that show no benefit. Hard to argue on one side that the prions can survive 50 years in the soil and then on the other hand that large scale depopulation is a solution. Talk about junk science there is a prime example.


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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2736171
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It’s way over my head ,, but I do understand
it’s a problem that’s effecting the animals we
love to watch and hunt ,, it must be addressed


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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: Shotts] #2736190
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Ok Shotts he’s not your guy. His whole premise is based on developing a test that detects “the bacteria that causes CWD” when there is no science showing bacteria causes CWD. Again, you put a diseased prion in a tube with a healthy prion and no bacteria and you get two diseased prions. Gonna be waiting a long time for that test of his.


The hard fact of the matter is that decreasing population densities (or wholesale extermination as you call it) is the only way to fight a deer disease that has no known cure and persists like CWD does. If Bob has an infectious disease with no cure, you quarantine him. It’s disease 101 I think you would agree: Since you can’t quaratine deer, you kill them. Lots of them. There’s a real world case scenario of Illinois and wislnconsin that shows the effectiveness of this method at slowing the spread.



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So let me be clear so everyone who reads this understands yours and the state which I assume you are affiliated withs solutions is to kill every deer possible to make sure they don’t get CWD? Not only does this plan seek to kill every animal possible but to also maintain near zero population for an extended period of time in a effort to ensure that future non existent populations don’t die from CWD thereby allowing time for a prion which has no known standard “decay” period to reduce to a level at which it would not result in reinfection in the distant future.

Thanks for clearing that up! I can’t imagine why sportsman’s in other states are raising such a stink and pushing back.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/000ADOBES/EISWisconsinCWD/EISDepopulation.pdf

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Originally Posted by Shotts
So let me be clear so everyone who reads this understands yours and the state which I assume you are affiliated withs solutions is to kill every deer possible to make sure they don’t get CWD? Not only does this plan seek to kill every animal possible but to also maintain near zero population for an extended period of time in a effort to ensure that future non existent populations don’t die from CWD thereby allowing time for a prion which has no known standard “decay” period to reduce to a level at which it would not result in reinfection in the distant future.

Thanks for clearing that up! I can’t imagine why sportsman’s in other states are raising such a stink and pushing back.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/000ADOBES/EISWisconsinCWD/EISDepopulation.pdf



To quote your article “Based on the science presented in this document and consultation with CWD experts across the country, the best strategy to eradicate CWD from an affected area is to reduce the deer herd in the affected area to near zero”

This ultimately boils down to, man, if freaking sucks to be in the affected area. Pennsylvania differed to the affected area residents to make the decision. You can guess why that’s who the politician differed to, but if you can cut off the arm to save the person you don’t differ to the arm. If your land is found in a hot zone, you man up and accept what needs to be done, not pout and moan. Those are my Alabama affiliations.

Frankly, the facts of this disease and and the growing human concerns are too consequential to let disinformation and references to hjunk science slide. Hell, scientists have proven that if you put CWD in a test tube with human proteins it morphs them. That’s serious shucks. Certainly serious enough to warrant a beat down of the junk science from a researcher whose theories aren’t supported by his own logic.

I’m not arguing that it doesn’t suck Shotts. I live and breath the outdoors. If there is a model outdoorsman it’s me. Deer, turkey, dove, ducks, squirrel, salt water, fresh water, I love it all. I get it, but that doesn’t mean I stick my head in the sand.

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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2736307
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Wasn't it a group of Wildlife dingdongs in Colorado, that may have "possibly caused" this chit show, in "captive" muleys?


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Re: Pa. CWD Press Conference [Re: BOFF] #2736310
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I got an email, like some of you may have, from Westervelt notifying me of a meeting that will be taking place about CWD. Some of the folks from mississippi will be coming to tuscaloosa to educated us on how they are handling the outbreak.


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Originally Posted by Booger
I got an email, like some of you may have, from Westervelt notifying me of a meeting that will be taking place about CWD. Some of the folks from mississippi will be coming to tuscaloosa to educated us on how they are handling the outbreak.


They gonna kill all your deer man 😁


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Originally Posted by Swampdrummin

Originally Posted by Shotts
So let me be clear so everyone who reads this understands yours and the state which I assume you are affiliated withs solutions is to kill every deer possible to make sure they don’t get CWD? Not only does this plan seek to kill every animal possible but to also maintain near zero population for an extended period of time in a effort to ensure that future non existent populations don’t die from CWD thereby allowing time for a prion which has no known standard “decay” period to reduce to a level at which it would not result in reinfection in the distant future.

Thanks for clearing that up! I can’t imagine why sportsman’s in other states are raising such a stink and pushing back.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/000ADOBES/EISWisconsinCWD/EISDepopulation.pdf



To quote your article “Based on the science presented in this document and consultation with CWD experts across the country, the best strategy to eradicate CWD from an affected area is to reduce the deer herd in the affected area to near zero”

This ultimately boils down to, man, if freaking sucks to be in the affected area. Pennsylvania differed to the affected area residents to make the decision. You can guess why that’s who the politician differed to, but if you can cut off the arm to save the person you don’t differ to the arm. If your land is found in a hot zone, you man up and accept what needs to be done, not pout and moan. Those are my Alabama affiliations.

Frankly, the facts of this disease and and the growing human concerns are too consequential to let disinformation and references to hjunk science slide. Hell, scientists have proven that if you put CWD in a test tube with human proteins it morphs them. That’s serious shucks. Certainly serious enough to warrant a beat down of the junk science from a researcher whose theories aren’t supported by his own logic.

I’m not arguing that it doesn’t suck Shotts. I live and breath the outdoors. If there is a model outdoorsman it’s me. Deer, turkey, dove, ducks, squirrel, salt water, fresh water, I love it all. I get it, but that doesn’t mean I stick my head in the sand.


You mention "facts" after saying that individual deer that get it die, a herd that gets it has never been wiped out by the disease itself, and it's bad and we don't need it are all "misconceptions". That statement you made is still here and is completely wrong. So, facts are really not in your corner.

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I thought "wildlife professionals" were past all this KILL EM ALL horsechitt by now. Killing every damn deer in an area WILL NOT eliminate CWD IN THAT AREA. The now dead deer had already infected the dirt in that area and it will persist for an unknown number of decades, maybe forever. Any deer that move into the killl zone at a later date can get infected from the soil. So you are back to where you started. Its simple as that...killing all the deer won't stop CWD.

I do not have the answer but killing all the deer sure as hell ain't the answer.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Originally Posted by James
Wasn't it a group of Wildlife dingdongs in Colorado, that may have "possibly caused" this chit show, in "captive" muleys?


State Of Colorados Foothills Wildlife Research Station is the culprit...and they have done a lot of work to rewrite history to dodge the blame for it. But the researchers there did it.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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