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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688561
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Pay hunts are for wimps.

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: Ben2] #2688563
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Originally Posted by Ben2
Originally Posted by Southwood7

I know this isn’t what you asked but I’m not paying anybody to sit with me on a hunt. I do plan on going to the Midwest soon but it’ll be DIY public land hunt.

Of course cause you are like the master of public land



Ha! Not quite Ben.
I should also add that one day I’m sure I will go out of state and pay an outfitter to hunt as well. I just don’t want the guide sitting with me.



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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688568
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I really enjoyed having the ranch manager sit with me while I hunted in Texas. It's boring by myself. I learned a lot about their operation and management approaches. I'd do it again tomorrow. We had a big time cutting up after the hunts too and of course the whiskey was good.

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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: Southwood7] #2688571
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Originally Posted by Southwood7

I know this isn’t what you asked but I’m not paying anybody to sit with me on a hunt. I do plan on going to the Midwest soon but it’ll be DIY public land hunt.


They don't always sit with you. Sometimes, you are on your own.

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: 257wbymag] #2688600
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
I really enjoyed having the ranch manager sit with me while I hunted in Texas. It's boring by myself. I learned a lot about their operation and management approaches. I'd do it again tomorrow. We had a big time cutting up after the hunts too and of course the whiskey was good.


I should just come deer hunt your place next year and get a feel for it. You can guide me, cook for me, and have good bourbon back at the house 👍🏻😀



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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688602
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You'll probly back out at last minute.


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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688625
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Like 257 said, sometimes it's educational to have local knowledge with you. Gives you a better perspective on the next hunt, too.

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688795
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Cal I’m very glad you and your crew enjoyed your bear hunt. I was glad to help.

There’s a huge difference between a guided hunt and a semi-guided hunt. A lot of times people categorize them together and that’s not a fair assessment. A guided hunt is when the guide is with you at all times when you’re in the field. He is there to get you on the game and actually “guide” the hunter. In some cases it’s actually required by law for the guide to be with the hunter. There are very few guided whitetail deer hunts in North America. Almost all whitetail hunts are semi-guided hunts. I’m not trying to split hairs but there is a significant difference in the two. Texas is one example of a guided whitetail hunt. The main reason for that is to insure the client doesn’t shoot the wrong deer. (Both free-range and high fence)

Now to the OP’s question. Using your example; you aren’t going to get much of a whitetail hunting trip for $2,000. Most Alabama hunting lodges will charge in that price range for a 3-4 day trip during the rut. Your chances aren’t much better there than you’d have on a $2000-2500 per year hunting club in Alabama. The difference is they’d have a nice lodge and feed you.

A quality midwestern hunt will cost $3000+ for a 5-6 day rifle hunt and your odds go up for a chance at a good buck. Not due to the cost but due to it being in the Midwest. On a quality Midwest hunt I’d expect any of my clients that I send on any of my hunts to have a chance at a 140” buck during their hunt. All that revolves around lots of unpredictable things of course. (Keep that in mind). Three things must happen on a guided or a semi-guided trip. 1. The animals have to cooperate. 2. The weather has to cooperate. 3. The hunter has to cooperate. The problem is; those 3 things almost NEVER happen at the same time.


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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688832
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Ethics is the main thing when picking an outfit for a pay hunt. There is a member here that paid for a mid-west bowhunt hunt. He hunted in a stand the outfitter had sent him to. On several of these hunts the hunter saw a big mature whitetail, that was out of bow range. The buck came out the same place each time. The hunter ask the outfitter if he could move the loc-on to get a shot. He was told "NO". That a big time TV hunter was coming the next week and they were saving that buck for him. It would be filmed and be great advertisement for the outfitter. Needless to saw the aldeer member never went back. Make sure you check the references before you send a deposit.


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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688850
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I flew to south TX around 1980 for a deer hunt.... what a great trip. At that time, I was the only guy hunting on about 5000 acres.

What impressed me the most was going outside at night and seeing a billion stars in the sky.

The most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2688861
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Texas is a special place. I didn't deer hunt then and saw them nearly every time I went fishing.


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Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2689110
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2k for hunt plus trip out there better produce good chance at 140-150" for me. If you get one expense for deer mount, trip expenses, new clothes if Northern climate, and other expenses figure over 3k. Just hard to prove someone has these deer on property if not in the big pen. The trip will probably be a waste if weather is not good deer will be on lock-down. You really need a flexible schedule and an outfitter to re-schedule you around weather and during rut for maximum success. Then, if weather is still bad you may not get to hunt. How do you really know the deer was not released from the big pen? Would need some good references too.

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2689202
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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Cal I’m very glad you and your crew enjoyed your bear hunt. I was glad to help.

There’s a huge difference between a guided hunt and a semi-guided hunt. A lot of times people categorize them together and that’s not a fair assessment. A guided hunt is when the guide is with you at all times when you’re in the field. He is there to get you on the game and actually “guide” the hunter. In some cases it’s actually required by law for the guide to be with the hunter. There are very few guided whitetail deer hunts in North America. Almost all whitetail hunts are semi-guided hunts. I’m not trying to split hairs but there is a significant difference in the two. Texas is one example of a guided whitetail hunt. The main reason for that is to insure the client doesn’t shoot the wrong deer. (Both free-range and high fence)

Now to the OP’s question. Using your example; you aren’t going to get much of a whitetail hunting trip for $2,000. Most Alabama hunting lodges will charge in that price range for a 3-4 day trip during the rut. Your chances aren’t much better there than you’d have on a $2000-2500 per year hunting club in Alabama. The difference is they’d have a nice lodge and feed you.

A quality midwestern hunt will cost $3000+ for a 5-6 day rifle hunt and your odds go up for a chance at a good buck. Not due to the cost but due to it being in the Midwest. On a quality Midwest hunt I’d expect any of my clients that I send on any of my hunts to have a chance at a 140” buck during their hunt. All that revolves around lots of unpredictable things of course. (Keep that in mind). Three things must happen on a guided or a semi-guided trip. 1. The animals have to cooperate. 2. The weather has to cooperate. 3. The hunter has to cooperate. The problem is; those 3 things almost NEVER happen at the same time.


Great assessment. Anyone booking a hunt at a typical Alabama hunting lodge (not high fence) has very low chance to kill a buck over 125" . Their business model is to bring in as many hunters every week to maximize revenue.


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Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: ford150man] #2689230
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Outdoors1,

If you are expecting a real chance at a 140”+ deer on a $2000 whitetail hunt you’d be better off staying st home because you will Be sorely disappointed in any hunt you’d go on.


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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Outdoors1,

If you are expecting a real chance at a 140”+ deer on a $2000 whitetail hunt you’d be better off staying st home because you will Be sorely disappointed in any hunt you’d go on.


You beat me to it. That's about $1500 - $2000 below market for a 140's class whitetail on a pay hunt.

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: bama1971] #2689698
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I know some don't approve, but this is the best way to kill a true wallhanger



You mean the easiest way, I presume


How about "most efficient"?

If you have unlimited vacation, unlimited money, and lots of time to wait for tags, then absolutely, you can kill a 200" typical in Kansas, Illinois, Ohio, or Iowa. Or, you can stroke a check, be patient until your deer comes out, and kill one in Texas, or some other high fence operation.

You still have to be quiet, pay attention to the wind, be still, and pay attention. Just because they are high fence deer, doesn't mean they are stupid. Some ease out, and vanish right back. They know what the blinds look like empty, and what they look like when people are there.

My buddy, who DOES know how to hunt, spent 8 sits, 3-5 hours each, waiting for a particular deer before he finally got a shot. I hunted a red stag this year, spending over 30 hours in blinds or stalking, and still struck out.

High fence doesn't mean that the deer (or other animals) are tied to a bush, or in a dog kennel. The high fences we usually hunt in Texas range from 1200 to 8000 acres. Most of the animals have no clue that the fence exists. The landowners refer to the fence as a management tool. It keeps undesirable deer out, because the deer they are managing already have everything that they need, and don't need to wander.


We agree on most efficient

I have no problem with it. Would enjoy it I’m sure


Let me know if you decide to go, and I'll throw you a few places to check out. Texas low fence can be awesome, and high fence is fun too. Even if you are trying for a smaller buck or designated cull, it's pretty damn cool to see 15-30 bucks in a morning hunt.

If you are a repeat customer, you get some flexibility on price and negotiations. Some of your best negotiations can happen if your target doesn't show, and they are faced with you leaving without writing a check. All the places I have gone guarantee the opportunity for a shot, not the result. The big low fence buck I shot this year was one of those. The red stag were on lockdown, and we never got a shot, or even saw one. When we saw the buck, the owner was quick to offer him up so that I would have a successful hunt.

Over the years, I have made some good friends out there and gotten access to some pretty awesome private ranches.

Re: Paid deer hunt expectations [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2690981
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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Outdoors1,

If you are expecting a real chance at a 140”+ deer on a $2000 whitetail hunt you’d be better off staying st home because you will Be sorely disappointed in any hunt you’d go on.


Not planning one op is only one considering a planned hunt.

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Originally Posted by CAL
I wish I could offer you some insight to a deer hunt. I know exactly what to expect on a black bear hunt in Saskatchewan booked with BGH though. That was the absolute best trip/vacation I’ve ever been on. Kinda pricey but your kids would love it. Pike fishing is amazing also.



One day...

Sounds amazing.

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Originally Posted by outdoors1
Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Outdoors1,

If you are expecting a real chance at a 140”+ deer on a $2000 whitetail hunt you’d be better off staying st home because you will Be sorely disappointed in any hunt you’d go on.


Not planning one op is only one considering a planned hunt.



I’m not planning one. Maybe one day, but no time soon. Too many other things that take priority.


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