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Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 09:12 PM
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than the Alabama defense. O-line is gonna have some extra pep too. Tua not winnng wasn't unexpected so now we can really concentrate on whipping OU.
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 09:14 PM
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Yep tua had a smile all the way but I see vengeance in his eyes...
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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Yeah hate it for TUA though. He had what like 800 less passing yards than Murry? And Murry had like 22 more quarters of play than TUA against some of the worst Defenses in the country.
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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Can't wait for the 29th! Roll Tide!!!
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 09:21 PM
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I was surprised that the chairman of the Heisman committee could barely speak English. Why the heck is there a German or Swede or whatever the crap he is, in charge of the Heisman?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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I was surprised that the chairman of the Heisman committee could barely speak English. Why the heck is there a German or Swede or whatever the crap he is, in charge of the Heisman? Yeah Fur that was ridiculous. One guy tweeted He knew Tua wasn't gonna win when the announcer couldn't even pronounce his name right
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 09:25 PM
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I knew he wasn’t gonna win when the announcer couldn’t even pronounce his name! Where the Hell did they get that foreign asshole for the ceremony? And I figured Murray was gonna win and he very much deserved the win.
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 09:25 PM
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I was surprised that the chairman of the Heisman committee could barely speak English. Why the heck is there a German or Swede or whatever the crap he is, in charge of the Heisman? You need to check your eye prescription. That guy was clearly of Indian descent, an in India. And he wasn’t raised in America based off that accent. I agree, very strange.
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 09:26 PM
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I wanted him to win it but I didn't think he would. He should have.
I hope Bama destroys Oklahoma.
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12/08/18 09:28 PM
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I was surprised that the chairman of the Heisman committee could barely speak English. Why the heck is there a German or Swede or whatever the crap he is, in charge of the Heisman? I thought the same thing. Here was this German (Indian whatever...) dude talking about the greatest American sport... Why wasn't he handing out some soccer trophy or something. Like I said in an earlier post... I hope Murray wins, and Alabama kicks their ass in the semi finals. Honestly... The Kyler Murray kid seems like a nice young man.
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12/08/18 09:33 PM
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I was surprised that the chairman of the Heisman committee could barely speak English. Why the heck is there a German or Swede or whatever the crap he is, in charge of the Heisman? I thought the same thing. Here was this German (Indian whatever...) dude talking about the greatest American sport... Why wasn't he handing out some soccer trophy or something. Like I said in an earlier post... I hope Murray wins, and Alabama kicks their ass in the semi finals. Not to mention he Said it was the 218 winner of the heisman trophy. Why the hell would Someone not go over the names before he walked his foreign ass out there
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12/08/18 09:38 PM
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I was surprised that the chairman of the Heisman committee could barely speak English. Why the heck is there a German or Swede or whatever the crap he is, in charge of the Heisman? I thought the same thing. Here was this German (Indian whatever...) dude talking about the greatest American sport... Why wasn't he handing out some soccer trophy or something. Like I said in an earlier post... I hope Murray wins, and Alabama kicks their ass in the semi finals. Not to mention he Said it was the 218 winner of the heisman trophy. Why the hell would Someone not go over the names before he walked his foreign ass out there I’m thinking that Hans had some of whatever Billy Sims was drankin.
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12/08/18 10:36 PM
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Look what the heisman did to jhonny manzell, who would want the thing? I think that was strippers and cocaine
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 10:37 PM
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That picture with all three standing with trophy Murray looks a foot shorter than Tua.
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12/08/18 10:39 PM
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That picture with all three standing with trophy Murray looks a foot shorter than Tua. He's a little feller.
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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12/08/18 10:41 PM
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Yea old billy was getting a little irritating with the sooner crap I called him a bad word.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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12/08/18 10:44 PM
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That picture with all three standing with trophy Murray looks a foot shorter than Tua. He's a little feller. Yeah like 5' 10" 195
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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Look what the heisman did to jhonny manzell, who would want the thing? I think that was strippers and cocaine That certainly played a big part of it lol
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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Look what the heisman did to jhonny manzell, who would want the thing? I think that was strippers and cocaine That certainly played a big part of it lol Didn't he come from a wealthy family also?
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Look what the heisman did to jhonny manzell, who would want the thing? Baker Mayfield? Derrick Henry? Mariotta? Cam Newton? Tebow?
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Oh, I was just sayin. There's been a lot of good ones move on with the trophy, but some do not.
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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Oh and just watched the clip on sports center. Saban was politely clapping but u could see it in his eyes...not happy. The wheels are already turning in his head. He's got something for OU in a couple of weeks. RTR!
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Tuas dad and kylers dad shoulda had a separate trophy for douchebag of the year award
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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I knew he wasn’t gonna win when the announcer couldn’t even pronounce his name! It was pretty obvious the Russians influenced the vote when Vladimer could not pronounce his name
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Look what the heisman did to jhonny manzell, who would want the thing? I think that was strippers and cocaine That certainly played a big part of it lol Didn't he come from a wealthy family also? Yeah I think his family in the oil business
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I (His dad seems like a douchbag.) . He looked like he probably left the award show and flew straight to Hoover to rejoin the protestors.
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Didn't you mean Jake " I can't can't win the Big one " Fromm?
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
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Look at the list of Heisman voters who left Tagovailoa off their ballot completely.
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma Jason White - Oklahoma Sam Bradford - Oklahoma Steve Owens - Oklahoma Billy Sims - Oklahoma Bo Jackson - Auburn Cam Newton - Auburn Pat Sullivan - Auburn Herschel Walker - Georgia Gino Torretta - Miami Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M Jameis Winston - Florida State Tim Brown - Notre Dame
"Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters."
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Look at the list of Heisman voters who left Tagovailoa off their ballot completely.
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma Jason White - Oklahoma Sam Bradford - Oklahoma Steve Owens - Oklahoma Billy Sims - Oklahoma Bo Jackson - Auburn Cam Newton - Auburn Pat Sullivan - Auburn Herschel Walker - Georgia Gino Torretta - Miami Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M Jameis Winston - Florida State Tim Brown - Notre Dame
Seriously doubt that list is accurate. Some, probably...but doubt every one of those left Tua off.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Alabama hate and Alabama fatigue may have played a factor. Who knows? Kyler Murray is a talented player, no doubt.
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Look at the list of Heisman voters who left Tagovailoa off their ballot completely.
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma Jason White - Oklahoma Sam Bradford - Oklahoma Steve Owens - Oklahoma Billy Sims - Oklahoma Bo Jackson - Auburn Cam Newton - Auburn Pat Sullivan - Auburn Herschel Walker - Georgia Gino Torretta - Miami Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M Jameis Winston - Florida State Tim Brown - Notre Dame
Looks like a lot more ass kickin' by Alabama still left to be done.
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Look at the list of Heisman voters who left Tagovailoa off their ballot completely.
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma Jason White - Oklahoma Sam Bradford - Oklahoma Steve Owens - Oklahoma Billy Sims - Oklahoma Bo Jackson - Auburn Cam Newton - Auburn Pat Sullivan - Auburn Herschel Walker - Georgia Gino Torretta - Miami Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M Jameis Winston - Florida State Tim Brown - Notre Dame
If that’s true, that’s absolute bullchit
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Look at the list of Heisman voters who left Tagovailoa off their ballot completely.
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma Jason White - Oklahoma Sam Bradford - Oklahoma Steve Owens - Oklahoma Billy Sims - Oklahoma Bo Jackson - Auburn Cam Newton - Auburn Pat Sullivan - Auburn Herschel Walker - Georgia Gino Torretta - Miami Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M Jameis Winston - Florida State Tim Brown - Notre Dame
Source?
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Cuz 1). Half that list has an axe to grind with Bama 2). Tua is quite obviously worthy of at least top 2 or 3 3). If crap like that went on to a significant degree it could have affected the outcome
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Looks like it did affect the outcome Haters gonna hate haters...
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Cuz 1). Half that list has an axe to grind with Bama 2). Tua is quite obviously worthy of at least top 2 or 3 3). If crap like that went on to a significant degree it could have affected the outcome Not like you're required to vote for X person. The eagles made a song called Get over it.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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12/09/18 11:56 PM
12/09/18 11:56 PM
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Luke Stepp
10 point
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10 point
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Both Murray and Tua would've been deserving winners of the award. Voting has always been jabberwocky due to regional bias, and I can expect voters of certain teams with a player in the running to manipulate their votes to hurt a certain candidate. But I'll say this, as a non-auburn fan, l find it hard to believe that Bo Jackson would leave Tua off his ballot. He's proven that he's a good man...remember, he chose to raise money, as an individual, for the tornado rebuilding effort in Tuscaloosa.
Seeing as heisman ballots are anonymous, and giving a nod to Bo as a man with credibility, I'm not buying that entire list of voters who left Tua off their ballot.
Having said all of that, Murray won it fair and square. The Georgia game sunk Tua's chance.
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Re: Ain't nobody more motivated now...
[Re: BrentM]
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12/10/18 06:38 AM
12/10/18 06:38 AM
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Posts: 25,681 Locust Fork, Alabama
BC
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 25,681
Locust Fork, Alabama
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Of course it is lol, I was wondering how long before someone would wave the BS flag. Lol I actually saw that on an Oklahoma board and copied and pasted it over. The only reason I knew it was BS was because Bo was on Finebaum last week and said that Tua was far and away the #1 on his ballot and nobody in the country deserved it more. Bo knows. If that list didn't have Bo and Sullivan on it I would probably have bought it to an extent. Cam, Mayfield, and Manziel I would believe in a heart beat.
"Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters."
-- Archibald Rutledge
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