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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Goatkiller] #2654376
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller


PINE Timber is no longer a good investment. I've been saying this on here for years and getting chastised for it. Takes a couple of Wall Street Journal articles before anyone else is on board.

Even at 500-1000 per acre for just the dirt depending on your financial situation.... how many on here have an extra $200k laying around to dump into "recreational property" that gets a poor return. You can certainly do that but unless you can truly afford to have $200k sitting not making squat for you I would advise against it. For some there is more to life than money so to each their own. You'll have some great memories and an empty wallet.



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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Snuffy] #2654434
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Originally Posted by Snuffy
Originally Posted by bambam32
Originally Posted by ALFisher
If you are in south Alabama as your user info suggests, you could range anywhere from 500-1000 per acre for just dirt, in my opinion if no road frontage of any kind (how do you get there?). Other factors would be, how long ago was it clear cut? It is just a big huge mess? Is it small or large tract? What's on it? Where is it? In short, not enough information.



There isn't a specific tract I'm interested in but I would like to acquire one someday. I just wanted to get some opinions on the value of undesirable property as a starting point.

There ain’t no such think as undesirable land these days Bambam.


There's PLENTY of land that's undesirable. Not worth anywhere near $1,000/acre. Plenty. No timber value, no utilities, maybe poor access, etc. Poor dirt...

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2654704
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Yeah, I think pine is over rated. Unless you have over a thousand acre plantation.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Goatkiller] #2654731
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller


Timber is no longer a good investment.


Maybe for some people and some areas, with each situation being different. The articles I read always seem to have an example of a landowner in a bad local market area that is mill deficient - and of course that’s gonna be a problem.

But if you think it’s a bad investment, you need to come sit at the intersection of Hwy 5 and Hwy 10 in Pine Hill, AL for a day. It will change your mind.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2654985
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Timberlands will always have value. Tracts in our area (So Cullman) $1000/ac is the floor. There is still money to be made by buying cheap land and making improvements and resale. Small to medium size tracts with good access roads and a pond are in high demand if located close to a populated area (which is most of No Alabama). I understand that the biggest threat to farming in North Alabama is increasing land values. Land is getting too expensive to farm. Also when we went through the financial crisis in 2008 I was glad that part of my investments was in land. I watched my IRA go from a $1 to $.54 while land values held firm. Don’t let chicken little scare anyone away from buying land. I think, weather it’s 1 ac or 1000 acs, everyone should own some land

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2655006
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Plus it's not like it's still being made. What land we got is what we got. It's not gonna devalue


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Remington270] #2655057
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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by Snuffy
Originally Posted by bambam32
Originally Posted by ALFisher
If you are in south Alabama as your user info suggests, you could range anywhere from 500-1000 per acre for just dirt, in my opinion if no road frontage of any kind (how do you get there?). Other factors would be, how long ago was it clear cut? It is just a big huge mess? Is it small or large tract? What's on it? Where is it? In short, not enough information.



There isn't a specific tract I'm interested in but I would like to acquire one someday. I just wanted to get some opinions on the value of undesirable property as a starting point.

There ain’t no such think as undesirable land these days Bambam.


There's PLENTY of land that's undesirable. Not worth anywhere near $1,000/acre. Plenty. No timber value, no utilities, maybe poor access, etc. Poor dirt...

Find me some in North Alabama for under A 1000.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2655480
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Go find some Lamar county clear cut with red dirt hills. $1,000 will get you 2 acres.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2655519
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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2655622
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Totally agree

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Remington270] #2655806
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Originally Posted by Remington270



NO, but it will be. 20 acres of 9 year old planted pies but the remainder is under contract to be cut, according to the ad details. Still looks like a good deal to me on the surface. Wonder about access? The pic showed not much in the way of roads in the area. You could spend $200 per acre replanting the place after they cut the contracted timber and still be in it for $1100 an acre or less.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2655833
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Might could get it for less. Maybe not replant and work with a blank canvas.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2655836
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Just a pinch to far for me.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: ] #2655855
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Originally Posted by RobertD
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NO, but it will be. 20 acres of 9 year old planted pies but the remainder is under contract to be cut, according to the ad details. Still looks like a good deal to me on the surface. Wonder about access? The pic showed not much in the way of roads in the area. You could spend $200 per acre replanting the place after they cut the contracted timber and still be in it for $1100 an acre or less.


There's plenty of other places. I just posted that one to dispel the myth that "you can't get land for $1k/acre in north Alabama". Sure you can. But it will be ugly. Not a mature hardwood bottom with a gobbler on every white oak at dawn.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2655896
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To far and for the record that ain’t North Alabama. That’s at least an 1and a half from me.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Snuffy] #2655911
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Originally Posted by Snuffy
To far and for the record that ain’t North Alabama. That’s at least an 1and a half from me.


How is something that is north of North of Birmingham not considered North Alabama?
Doesn't the state work like, North of Birmingham is North Alabama, between Montgomery and Birmingham is Central Alabama and Montgomery south is South Alabama?

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Originally Posted by Snuffy
To far and for the record that ain’t North Alabama. That’s at least an 1and a half from me.


Ask someone from Dothan if Lamar county is North Alabama. laugh

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2656196
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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: AU7MM08] #2656344
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Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Originally Posted by Snuffy
To far and for the record that ain’t North Alabama. That’s at least an 1and a half from me.


How is something that is north of North of Birmingham not considered North Alabama?
Doesn't the state work like, North of Birmingham is North Alabama, between Montgomery and Birmingham is Central Alabama and Montgomery south is South Alabama?


Yep, that's the way I always figured it.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Remington270] #2656346
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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by Snuffy
To far and for the record that ain’t North Alabama. That’s at least an 1and a half from me.


Ask someone from Dothan if Lamar county is North Alabama. laugh



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