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Buckshot on National Forest #2640020
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Is it legal in Alabama on Natl Forest? Someone asked me this yesterday and I'm having a hard time finding it if it is in fact not legal.

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2640034
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I thought that was an old regulation.

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2640055
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It's legal on all public land except any wma

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: Zay334] #2640073
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Originally Posted by Zay334
It's legal on all public land except any wma

I was written a ticket for said buckshot on a national forest,although it was in the 90's.Did the law change?

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2640078
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It must have. I always thought it wasnt but I guess it changed

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2640115
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I'm pretty sure it still says no dogs or buckshot.
Although I don't have a current regulation book handy.


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Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: Out back] #2640120
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Originally Posted by Out back
I'm pretty sure it still says no dogs or buckshot.
Although I don't have a current regulation book handy.


That's what it said in the reg book that the gw showed me grin

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: Out back] #2640428
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Originally Posted by Out back
I'm pretty sure it still says no dogs or buckshot.
Although I don't have a current regulation book handy.

Regulation Book? You mean I have to read, cant I just ask on Facebook


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Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: bigcountry692001] #2640674
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Originally Posted by bigcountry692001
Originally Posted by Out back
I'm pretty sure it still says no dogs or buckshot.
Although I don't have a current regulation book handy.

Regulation Book? You mean I have to read, cant I just ask on Facebook

Did read, just cant find where it says it is not legal on NF

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2640861
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2) DEER: WHEN AND WHERE DOG OR STALK HUNTING IS ALLOWED �

· Rifles using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition.

· Shotguns, 10 gauge or smaller using buckshot, slugs, or single round ball.

· Muzzle-loaders and Black Powder Handguns--.40 caliber or larger, provided further it shall be illegal to possess other firearms while hunting with muzzleloaders during the special muzzleloader season.

· Long bows, compound bows, or crossbows.

· Handguns or pistols using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition.

WHEN AND WHERE STALK HUNTING ONLY IS ALLOWED �

· Same as above, except slugs or single round ball only may be used in shotguns.

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2641037
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I thought it was legal just not during the last 2 weeks of season

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: Hornhntr] #2641200
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Originally Posted by Hornhntr
2) DEER: WHEN AND WHERE DOG OR STALK HUNTING IS ALLOWED �

· Rifles using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition.

· Shotguns, 10 gauge or smaller using buckshot, slugs, or single round ball.

· Muzzle-loaders and Black Powder Handguns--.40 caliber or larger, provided further it shall be illegal to possess other firearms while hunting with muzzleloaders during the special muzzleloader season.

· Long bows, compound bows, or crossbows.

· Handguns or pistols using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition.

WHEN AND WHERE STALK HUNTING ONLY IS ALLOWED �

· Same as above, except slugs or single round ball only may be used in shotguns.
Where did you quote this from?

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: Zay334] #2641234
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Originally Posted by Zay334
It's legal on all public land except any wma

Wrong
Ain’t legal on corps land (public)


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Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2641264
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Got it from here http://www.alabamaadministrativecode.state.al.us/docs/2con.htm but I just noticed it was 2004-2005. I’m sure it changed now because the current reg doesn’t mention dog hunting so I assume your good to go with buckshot on open permit public land.

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2641296
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Round ‘bout there

Call the Montgomery DCNR office at 334-242-3465 and ask for the Law Enforcement Section, and ask them to get the correct answer.


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Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2641335
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Below are the notes and regulations (current) pertaining to NF lands and legal arms and ammunition, which clearly says buckshot is legal. And even in areas where dog hunting is prohibited, there's no mention of buckshot at all. So it appears there's either a gross oversight, or they've removed the buckshot restrictions. That which is not illegal, by definition is legal.

SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS: If notes 1, 2 or 3 appear by the county listed,
see the special exceptions at the end of this chart. Note (1) relates
to dog deer hunting. Note (2) relates to U.S. Corp of Engineers
Lands. Note (3) relates to National Forest Service Lands.

(3) U. S. FOREST SERVICE (USFS) (same as open permit for county),
except Wildlife Mgmt. Areas – one deer per day.
Stalk Hunting Only- No Dogs (except for USFS Lands within Calhoun,
Clay & Talladega counties): Same season and dates as open permit-public
lands.
Calhoun, Clay & Talladega counties - Dog Deer hunting -until 12:00 noon
– antlered bucks only:
November 18 – November 30
December 18 – January 10
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(2) DEER:
 Rifles using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition.
 Shotguns, 10 gauge or smaller using buckshot, slugs, or single
round ball.
 Air powered guns, .30 caliber or larger.
 Muzzle-loaders and Black Powder Handguns--.40 caliber or larger.
 Long bows, compound bows, or crossbows in conformance with
220-2-.03.
 Handguns or pistols using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition.
 Hand thrown spear with sharpened blade in conformance with the
standards for broadheads in paragraph 2(b) of 220-2-.03.

__________________________________________
220-2-.112 Dog Deer Hunting
(a) It shall be unlawful to cast, release, or otherwise place, a dog, for the
purpose of hunting deer, from, upon, or onto, a public right-of-way,
without the permission of the landowners whose land adjoins the right-
of-way within 50 feet of the location of such dog.
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person to utilize a dog for the purpose of
deer hunting without the person placing and maintaining on said dog a
collar containing the following information clearly stated thereon: the
name, address, and telephone number of the person utilizing the dog.
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Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2641551
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the better question is why would you want to?


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Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: BuckRidge17] #2641871
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My question via Facebook messenger(worked pretty good,got a response in about 2hr.)

Hello,
Could you tell me the reg. For using buckshot on National Forest lands

The reply:

WE don't have a rule prohibiting it, but that's not our property. They can make their own rules. Contact them here (left side of page): https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/alabama/recreation/hunting
Supervisor's Office
Tim Spivey, Acting Forest Supervisor
2946 Chestnut Street
Montgomery, Alabama 36107
334-832-4470
334-239-3741(Videophone)

Re: Buckshot on National Forest [Re: Hornhntr] #2641884
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Originally Posted by Hornhntr
My question via Facebook messenger(worked pretty good,got a response in about 2hr.)

Hello,
Could you tell me the reg. For using buckshot on National Forest lands

The reply:

WE don't have a rule prohibiting it, but that's not our property. They can make their own rules. Contact them here (left side of page): https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/alabama/recreation/hunting
Supervisor's Office
Tim Spivey, Acting Forest Supervisor
2946 Chestnut Street
Montgomery, Alabama 36107
334-832-4470
334-239-3741(Videophone)

And when you call them, (the forest service) they will tell you that they don't set the hunting regulations, the state does that. I've already been on that merry go round.


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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by Hornhntr
My question via Facebook messenger(worked pretty good,got a response in about 2hr.)

Hello,
Could you tell me the reg. For using buckshot on National Forest lands

The reply:

WE don't have a rule prohibiting it, but that's not our property. They can make their own rules. Contact them here (left side of page): https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/alabama/recreation/hunting
Supervisor's Office
Tim Spivey, Acting Forest Supervisor
2946 Chestnut Street
Montgomery, Alabama 36107
334-832-4470
334-239-3741(Videophone)

And when you call them, (the forest service) they will tell you that they don't set the hunting regulations, the state does that. I've already been on that merry go round.


That’s what I figure. I’m not going to call because I don’t hunt NF and sure don’t use buckshot. I just wanted to see if the messenger contact method works. I’m sure they can’t/don’t answer all questions but I think it worked pretty well. Personally I think the social media approach is a good thing.


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