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“Area Definition” What...? #2639400
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I just got an email from the Alabama Department of Conservation and in it is a link titled “Area Definition” so I’m thinking it’s gonna define what an area is for baiting but noooo all it says is the “Area Definition” for hunting over bait is in effect for the 2018-2019 hunting season so don’t do it. Don’t hunt over bait. What the devil? They are just not going to nail themselves down and define what a “Area” is. Not once did they define or sugest what an “Area” is. If that had been a school assignment they would get an “F”. SMH

So what is an “Area”? With so many people baiting potentially anyone could be hunting in a “Area” of baiting and not even know it.

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hasnt it been 100 yards and out of line of sight for the past several years?

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Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: GKelly] #2639463
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Originally Posted by GKelly
hasnt it been 100 yards and out of line of sight for the past several years?



no , it aint that simple.

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Then what is it....................


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Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: GKelly] #2639488
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Originally Posted by GKelly
hasnt it been 100 yards and out of line of sight for the past several years?

Nice avatar


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Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
Originally Posted by GKelly
hasnt it been 100 yards and out of line of sight for the past several years?

Nice avatar


lol, that's strong


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Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: GKelly] #2639495
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Originally Posted by GKelly
hasnt it been 100 yards and out of line of sight for the past several years?

Hey, you have a message.


It be's that way sometimes.

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Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: top cat] #2639519
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Then what is it....................



ask the GW if you meet him,,,, best answer i can give since he has final say .

Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: RCHRR] #2639521
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soon as they figure out a way so some can bait and every body else can't , then they'll fix it . just that damn simple !!!!!!!!

Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: GomerPyle] #2639534
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
Originally Posted by GKelly
hasnt it been 100 yards and out of line of sight for the past several years?

Nice avatar


lol, that's strong


X2, that's hilarious

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220-2-.157 Definition of Area Regulation

For the purposes of Section 9-11-244, Code of Alabama 1975, and Rule 220-2-.11, Alabama Administrative Code, as it applies to the hunting of deer and feral swine, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed (as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine. For the purpose of this regulation, “not within the line of sight” means being hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally occurring terrain features. This regulation shall not apply on public lands.

If words have meaning, which apparently they DON'T, it should be a rebuttable presumption that ANY BAIT or FEED (notice the word "bait") located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight is NOT a lure, attraction, or enticement to, on or over the AREA where the HUNTER is attempting to kill or take the deer...

So, you can bait, but you can't hunt in the area. You are not in the area if it is 100+ yards away and you can't see it.


The problem comes in when some Dudly Doright Greenjeans doesn't like the Reg and decides to enforce it the way he wants it to read instead of what it actually says. Either enforce the regulation the way it is written, make baiting legal, or make all supplemental feeding/baiting of deer illegal.

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Originally Posted by straycat
I'm naturally clumsy, so I spill my snacks of sugar cubes, Clorox, apple slices, and molasses all the way from truck to stand...accidentally on purpose.


I sat in a tree stand all day a few hunts back and brought three huge fuji apples with me for snacks. Is it illegal to toss those suckers 15 yards out in front of me once im done eating em?

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Originally Posted by mman
220-2-.157 Definition of Area Regulation

For the purposes of Section 9-11-244, Code of Alabama 1975, and Rule 220-2-.11, Alabama Administrative Code, as it applies to the hunting of deer and feral swine, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed (as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine. For the purpose of this regulation, “not within the line of sight” means being hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally occurring terrain features. This regulation shall not apply on public lands.

If words have meaning, which apparently they DON'T, it should be a rebuttable presumption that ANY BAIT or FEED (notice the word "bait") located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight is NOT a lure, attraction, or enticement to, on or over the AREA where the HUNTER is attempting to kill or take the deer...

So, you can bait, but you can't hunt in the area. You are not in the area if it is 100+ yards away and you can't see it.


The problem comes in when some Dudly Doright Greenjeans doesn't like the Reg and decides to enforce it the way he wants it to read instead of what it actually says. Either enforce the regulation the way it is written, make baiting legal, or make all supplemental feeding/baiting of deer illegal.




Dudly Doright Greenjean's boss, Chuck Sykes has stated in public, he DOES NOT have an officer ( including Dudly), that can read a deer's mind and the law is as written, 100 yards and out of sight .



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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by mman
220-2-.157 Definition of Area Regulation

For the purposes of Section 9-11-244, Code of Alabama 1975, and Rule 220-2-.11, Alabama Administrative Code, as it applies to the hunting of deer and feral swine, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed (as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine. For the purpose of this regulation, “not within the line of sight” means being hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally occurring terrain features. This regulation shall not apply on public lands.

If words have meaning, which apparently they DON'T, it should be a rebuttable presumption that ANY BAIT or FEED (notice the word "bait") located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight is NOT a lure, attraction, or enticement to, on or over the AREA where the HUNTER is attempting to kill or take the deer...

So, you can bait, but you can't hunt in the area. You are not in the area if it is 100+ yards away and you can't see it.


The problem comes in when some Dudly Doright Greenjeans doesn't like the Reg and decides to enforce it the way he wants it to read instead of what it actually says. Either enforce the regulation the way it is written, make baiting legal, or make all supplemental feeding/baiting of deer illegal.




Dudly Doright Greenjean's boss, Chuck Sykes has stated in public, he DOES NOT have an officer ( including Dudly), that can read a deer's mind and the law is as written, 100 yards and out of sight .


Well then maybe Chucky needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with all of his Dudly Doright's, since a lot of people have been told, directly by a GW, that it's open to "interpretation" based on the individual situation.


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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by mman
220-2-.157 Definition of Area Regulation

For the purposes of Section 9-11-244, Code of Alabama 1975, and Rule 220-2-.11, Alabama Administrative Code, as it applies to the hunting of deer and feral swine, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed (as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine. For the purpose of this regulation, “not within the line of sight” means being hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally occurring terrain features. This regulation shall not apply on public lands.

If words have meaning, which apparently they DON'T, it should be a rebuttable presumption that ANY BAIT or FEED (notice the word "bait") located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight is NOT a lure, attraction, or enticement to, on or over the AREA where the HUNTER is attempting to kill or take the deer...

So, you can bait, but you can't hunt in the area. You are not in the area if it is 100+ yards away and you can't see it.


The problem comes in when some Dudly Doright Greenjeans doesn't like the Reg and decides to enforce it the way he wants it to read instead of what it actually says. Either enforce the regulation the way it is written, make baiting legal, or make all supplemental feeding/baiting of deer illegal.




Dudly Doright Greenjean's boss, Chuck Sykes has stated in public, he DOES NOT have an officer ( including Dudly), that can read a deer's mind and the law is as written, 100 yards and out of sight .


Well then maybe Chucky needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with all of his Dudly Doright's, since a lot of people have been told, directly by a GW, that it's open to "interpretation" based on the individual situation.



Gomer, when Dudly busts you , and you are legal as written ( over 100 yards and out of line of sight) have your day in court and subpoena Chucky. You can bet $ they'll all get the come -to- Jesus memo then.



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Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: RCHRR] #2639586
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i can think of several setups to where you could be 100yrd away and out of sight and i beat most if not all GW's will give you a ticket .

i have no problem with GW's but they should not have the power to "make" law .

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Bait sitting in the a bushy patch hidden from sight in a cutover 200 yards away and a deer is walking up to eat it or is eating it meets the letter of the law but is still baiting. The Mr. Greenjeans y'all refer to has you red handed for baiting because that is "on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine". Just food for thought, you can discuss it with Mr. Greenjeans.


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2 GWs where im from told me at the Stockyard Cafe a couple years ago that if it was 101 yards and behind a bush it was legal and that was the way the law is written and how they are interpreting it. Id like to see a GW try to explain to a judge why he wrote a ticket for corn 150 yards away and out of view when the code of alabama clearly defines what is and isnt legal. Ive seen a few local police officers get their asses chewed for wasting the courts time. an officer can charge you with anything its the courts job to convict you. most people just take it sitting down because its cheaper to pay the ticket than pay an attorney.

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The Captain on FB live answered it very directly, and the way it was to be enforced. Even as far as broadcast feeders were concerned.

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Originally Posted by therealhojo
The Captain on FB live answered it very directly, and the way it was to be enforced. Even as far as broadcast feeders were concerned.


Well what was his answer.


If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Originally Posted by Fun4all
Bait sitting in the a bushy patch hidden from sight in a cutover 200 yards away and a deer is walking up to eat it or is eating it meets the letter of the law but is still baiting. The Mr. Greenjeans y'all refer to has you red handed for baiting because that is "on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine". Just food for thought, you can discuss it with Mr. Greenjeans.


Law says that is not bait so you can't be baiting

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Originally Posted by mike35549
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The Captain on FB live answered it very directly, and the way it was to be enforced. Even as far as broadcast feeders were concerned.


Well what was his answer.

100 yards and out of sight he answered that same question about a dozen or more times durung the live conference

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On Outdoor Alabama, they make a clear distinction between supplemental feed and bait, where the regulation does not. I also heard Chucky say that his officers couldn”t read a deer’s mind.

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Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by mike35549
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The Captain on FB live answered it very directly, and the way it was to be enforced. Even as far as broadcast feeders were concerned.


Well what was his answer.

100 yards and out of sight he answered that same question about a dozen or more times durung the live conference


He did add that if you could see the deer eating the "bait" then it was illegal and would be ticketed. Said just because you couldn't see the kernels lying on the ground in high grass that it was legal.

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Originally Posted by GKelly
2 GWs where im from told me at the Stockyard Cafe a couple years ago that if it was 101 yards and behind a bush it was legal and that was the way the law is written and how they are interpreting it. Id like to see a GW try to explain to a judge why he wrote a ticket for corn 150 yards away and out of view when the code of alabama clearly defines what is and isnt legal. Ive seen a few local police officers get their asses chewed for wasting the courts time. an officer can charge you with anything its the courts job to convict you. most people just take it sitting down because its cheaper to pay the ticket than pay an attorney.



even though you were the deer when shot was 50 yards from the feeder and headed that way . . you'll pay a ticket .

plus the law does not define what is legal , that is left up to the GW

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2Dogs posted THE law above .

this is what throws a wrench in it

there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed (as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine.

they could right you a ticket if they walk down the trail the dear was on and find a feeder 100yards away . just like the alabama hunting digest , just stating incomplete bs

Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: mman] #2640041
11/14/18 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mman
On Outdoor Alabama, they make a clear distinction between supplemental feed and bait, where the regulation does not. I also heard Chucky say that his officers couldn”t read a deer’s mind.



then why add >>>>> there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed (as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine.

to the rule ????

Re: “Area Definition” What...? [Re: Frankie] #2640210
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by mman
On Outdoor Alabama, they make a clear distinction between supplemental feed and bait, where the regulation does not. I also heard Chucky say that his officers couldn”t read a deer’s mind.



then why add >>>>> there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed (as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take the deer or feral swine.

to the rule ????


I know. They are contradicting the regulation. It says bait or feed. In their video, they say "supplemental feed". Ridiculous.


Here's the way I think, based on the words of the Regulation and what the Law says:

It is illegal to hunt with bait/supplemental feed in your area..
If the bait/feed is 100+ yards away and out of the line of sight, you are not in the area of the bait/feed and can kill a deer (without hunting over bait).

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