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Re: 3rd Positive CWD in MS
[Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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11/13/18 09:37 AM
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CWD hasn't affected Nebraska. 499 positive cases since 2001. I'm averaging 30+ a sit. Ive seen over 30 bucks between 120 and 140. But what do I know. I been coming here since 2005 and I see no decrease in the whitetail herd even after s horrible EHD outbreak. They bounced back just fine.
Guy with game and fish laughed when I asked if CWD wasn't hurting the herd. Hasn’t effected KS either!! Our biggest threat to the herd is the senseless doe slaughter that has taken place over the past 15 years. A doe a day for 4 months is insane!!
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Re: 3rd Positive CWD in MS
[Re: wmd]
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11/13/18 09:52 AM
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A doe in Issaquena County - same county as 1st case. Bummer.... this one was killed on a wma...makes you wonder if it would've been sent to a check station had it not, since the other 2 were bucks.
Last edited by donia; 11/13/18 09:52 AM.
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Re: 3rd Positive CWD in MS
[Re: NightHunter]
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11/13/18 04:42 PM
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So how are yall going to feel when it is found here? I wonder how long prions exist in the soil? When they take out the herd in a 10 mile circle of positive ID I guess that makes sense but not if prions just stay dormant in soil / environment? We know the prions stay in the soil at least 30+ years based on the the first case in CO. The facility was depoped, cleansed and deer were returned a little over 30 years later and began contracting CWD. I don’t believe states are still doing the “try to eradicate deer” so it doesn’t spread. It simply isn’t affordable. Yearning buck dispersal accounts for its natural spread, so it should be relatively slow. However, as deer (live and dead) are moved from place to place the spread happens faster. Some out there act as though EHD is a bigger problem than CWD. Here in AL EHD is not 100% fatal, far from it but CWD is. EHD does kill lots of deer in the Midwest when it rolls through but it isn’t something they deal with on an annual basis. The populations recover with time. With CWD most evidence shows that with time prevalence rates increase and so does the area impacted. This can be a pretty slow process but looking at AR, their prevalence rate and hot area has increased pretty dang fast. NH, I agree EHD isn't 100% fatal but it can wipe herds out in localized areas. Ive seen it so bad in southern tennessee that you couldn't drive down a creek for the smell. CWD hasn't decreased any wild deer herds that I've seen. Have I missed something somewhere?
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Re: 3rd Positive CWD in MS
[Re: NightHunter]
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11/13/18 05:38 PM
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So how are yall going to feel when it is found here? I wonder how long prions exist in the soil? When they take out the herd in a 10 mile circle of positive ID I guess that makes sense but not if prions just stay dormant in soil / environment? We know the prions stay in the soil at least 30+ years based on the the first case in CO. The facility was depoped, cleansed and deer were returned a little over 30 years later and began contracting CWD. I don’t believe states are still doing the “try to eradicate deer” so it doesn’t spread. It simply isn’t affordable. Yearning buck dispersal accounts for its natural spread, so it should be relatively slow. However, as deer (live and dead) are moved from place to place the spread happens faster. Some out there act as though EHD is a bigger problem than CWD. Here in AL EHD is not 100% fatal, far from it but CWD is. EHD does kill lots of deer in the Midwest when it rolls through but it isn’t something they deal with on an annual basis. The populations recover with time. With CWD most evidence shows that with time prevalence rates increase and so does the area impacted. This can be a pretty slow process but looking at AR, their prevalence rate and hot area has increased pretty dang fast. To date EHD has been a much more significant issue in Alabama than CWD and likely will cause far more deer deaths for the foreseeable future than CWD. I suspect EHD will continue to kill significantly more deer in pretty much every state than CWD for the foreseeable future. This baffles me from the state perspective as EHD is just accepted as it is what it is yet CWD is the proverbial "antichrist" and must have massive resources thrown at it to combat it. Its nice to hear that depopulation is too costly for other states to try and implement in the wild. I hope as this threat evolves we see that option removed from Alabama's response plan as well. The spread in Mississippi doesn't make sense to me based on the numbers tested and it moving "naturally" from the delta to central Ms in such a short period of time. I haven't done the statistical analysis but based on the numbers tested in the Issaquena county zone they should have very high confidence that it is not widespread there despite having found two cases. Statistically this doesn't make sense unless it has a higher prevalence there. If this is the case it could argue that it maybe more widespread than expect which doesn't bode well for finding it here.
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Re: 3rd Positive CWD in MS
[Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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11/13/18 10:01 PM
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NightHunter
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CWD hasn't decreased any wild deer herds that I've seen. Have I missed something somewhere?
Purely from a statistical standpoint...now that antlerless populations are showing 30% prevalence rates across some (not all) states that have been positive for sometime have put populations at risk. If populations are roughly at CC or slightly below, the rule of thumb is there is roughly a 30% surplus on the landscape from that years recruitment. If you are removing 30% with mortality from CWD (which is 100% fatal) you lost the bulk of not all of the surplus. Most state agencies try to manage so that the 30% surplus is managed (removed) through hunter harvests. The additive mortality rates combined is not sustainable. So...something will eventually have to give in those areas. Some populations reach it quickly, others seem to be very slow. That’s where a lot of the questions lie. Heck, AR has not been positive too terribly long and are already seeing 20+% prevalence rates. All that said, I don’t believe the sky is falling but it is a major concern. I definitely think we’ll learn more in the next 5 years than we know up to this point. Some things sound as though there is hope but then some others make the situation a little more dire. I’ll be interested to see some things published in the next few years. Lots of research going on about plant takeup, prion loading requirements for transmission, how it can be transferred (urine, scat, brain matter, nervous tissue, semen), and more info on possible live testing. We’ll see what comes out, hopefully some good news
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Re: 3rd Positive CWD in MS
[Re: 40Bucks]
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11/13/18 10:08 PM
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What precautions, if any, do hunters need to take if they find a dead deer that is suspected of having EHD or CWD? Is it a do not touch situation? No, you don’t have to be terribly cautious. It is typically recommended that you don’t eat any deer that seems sick or died of unknown causes just to be safe. If you see a deer acting strange or find one dead that is fresh (I stress this part, FRESH), call your district WFF office and they’ll get the info to the technical staff who will if at all possible come take what is needed for testing.
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Re: 3rd Positive CWD in MS
[Re: BruteX]
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11/14/18 09:02 PM
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I think its been here for along time. They are only finding it because they are looking for it. As Cousin Eddie says, “Bingo!”
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