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Re: Flu shot [Re: JBL] #2611775
10/18/18 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JBL
Originally Posted by bill
Never had one and never had the flu. My daughter has only had the flu once and it was 3 weeks after she took the only flu shot she's ever had.

I haven't had a flu shot in years. I quit getting one because i would get the flu right after I got the shot. Never failed. Every single time. I haven't had the flu since.


Hate to tell you this, but that wasn't the flu.......that was your body's natural immune system reacting to the DEAD virus in the flu shot. Whatever that made you feel like, multiply the duration by 3 or 4, and the severity by about 10..........THAT'S the flu.

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Re: Flu shot [Re: fedex] #2611878
10/18/18 01:41 PM
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If you watch your child develop Autism after having them get one of these mega immunization shots, you would have trouble trusting studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies. So when I’m told what I’ve seen is nonsense by those with a vested interest I take it for what it smells like. It’s tough to believe when the medical industry says, “We don’t know what causes Autism but we know immunization doesn’t, besides you don’t want to endanger other children with these horrific diseases, do you?” as if Autism is a picnic.


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Re: Flu shot [Re: fedex] #2611984
10/18/18 04:00 PM
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The CDC, the World Health Organization, and the American Academy of Pediatric Doctors, none of which are a pharmaceutical company, are in universal agreement that there isn't a shread, not a sliver, of credible evidence that vaccinations have anything to do with autism. And I can assure you that the CDC and the World Health Organization don't give two s#*@s about boosting profits at Eli Lily or Bristol-Myers Squibb. It appears to be mostly genetic. For example if one identical twin is diagnosed as autistic the other has a 76% chance that they will be autistic as well. That number falls dramatically with fraternal twins. That one example alone is strong evidence for a genetic link. It is also very wrong to think that the only studies that have been conducted on this matter where conducted by pharmaceutical companies. That's just not true. This has been looked at by many research groups with no links to big pharmaceutical companies. The Dutch just concluded another huge multi-year study that also found no link to vaccines.

Unfortunately the first signs of autism often do not manifest themselves until children have reached an age where they have already recieved vaccinations. We humans tend to engage in direct linear thinking. In other words if I develope some problem today then it must have been caused by whatever happened just prior to it. Can that be true? Sure, but often it isn't. For example I cannot tell you how many people come into our ER with nausea and vomiting convinced that the restaurant they just left that evening gave them food poisoning. Problem is that food poisoning is a bacterial infection that takes time to develope. The most rapid onset of symptoms possible is about 8 hours. And many types of food poisoning take a day or more to kick in after eating the contaminated food. So yeah, they might have food poisoning but they didn't get it from the place they were at an hour ago. But you will never convince them of that. Nope, that's when and where they first felt sick so that's who did it to them. And me, the doctor and our whole outfit can go f### ourselves if we don't agree with them.

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Re: Flu shot [Re: fedex] #2611986
10/18/18 04:04 PM
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solid post by todd. don't hold back.

Re: Flu shot [Re: Todd1700] #2611989
10/18/18 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd1700
The CDC, the World Health Organization, and the American Academy of Pediatric Doctors, none of which are a pharmaceutical company, are in universal agreement that there isn't a shread, not a sliver, of credible evidence that vaccinations have anything to do with autism. And I can assure you that the CDC and the World Health Organization don't give two s#*@s about boosting profits at Eli Lily or Bristol-Myers Squibb. It appears to be mostly genetic. For example if one identical twin is diagnosed as autistic the other has a 76% chance that they will be autistic as well. That number falls dramatically with fraternal twins. That one example alone is strong evidence for a genetic link. It is also very wrong to think that they only studies that have been conducted on this matter where conducted by pharmaceutical companies. That's just not true. This has been looked at by many research groups with no links to big pharmaceutical companies. The Dutch just concluded another huge multi-year study that also found no link to vaccines.

Unfortunately the first signs of autism often do not manifest themselves until children have reached an age where they have already recieved vaccinations. We humans tend to engage in direct linear thinking. In other words if I develope some problem today then it must have been caused by whatever happened just prior to it. Can that be true? Sure, but often it isn't. For example I cannot tell you how many people come into our ER with nausea and vomiting convinced that the restaurant they just left that evening gave them food poisoning. Problem is that food poisoning is a bacterial infection that takes time to develope. The most rapid onset of symptoms possible is about 8 hours. And many types of food poisoning take a day or more to kick in after eating the contaminated food. So yeah, they might have food poisoning but they didn't get it from the place they were at an hour ago. But you will never convince them of that. Nope, that's when and where they first felt sick so that's who did it to them. And me, the doctor and our whole outfit can go f### ourselves if we don't agree with them.


Surely that cannot be. Someone in the medical field offering sound advice. That isn't allowed. If you don't believe me, give it a day and you will have a bunch of non-medical posters tell you that you're an idot. Thanks for what you do.

Re: Flu shot [Re: fedex] #2611992
10/18/18 04:10 PM
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It's a shame that Big Pharma has already gotten to Todd and paid him off to perpetuate their conspiracy to make everyone autistic.


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Re: Flu shot [Re: CatHeadBiscuit] #2611993
10/18/18 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
If you watch your child develop Autism after having them get one of these mega immunization shots, you would have trouble trusting studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies. So when I’m told what I’ve seen is nonsense by those with a vested interest I take it for what it smells like. It’s tough to believe when the medical industry says, “We don’t know what causes Autism but we know immunization doesn’t, besides you don’t want to endanger other children with these horrific diseases, do you?” as if Autism is a picnic.

Yeah there’s not a shred of evidence that supports this nonsense.

Re: Flu shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2612022
10/18/18 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle

It's a shame that Big Pharma has already gotten to Todd and paid him off to perpetuate their conspiracy to make everyone autistic.


Resistance is futile. You will all be assimilated.


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Re: Flu shot [Re: fedex] #2612044
10/18/18 05:24 PM
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The studies do indicate Autism is genetic. However, a genetic predisposition to it could be pushed into actually having the disease by the introduction of a foreign element. Be it radiation, contaminated food stuffs, or an ingredient in the vaccines. Even just the increased level of stimulation of the immune system within the child’s body could be causing a reaction but only in a group with an as yet unknown marker. So when the parents remain skeptical in the face of the continuous drum beat of it can’t be this or it can’t be that please with all due respect understand we don’t want to hear that ###t anymore!

Go figure it out already it’s only been known for around 60 some odd years while becoming more prevalent with each passing day. The cause has to be found before a cure can be. Mine is 12 so whatever the cure it won’t come before his chance at a somewhat typical life has passed by. This is a nightmare not to be wished upon an enemy. Whatching a child with many incredible abilities faltering in the face of what we consider mundane tasks is torturous. All the while unable to show much if any affection.

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Re: Flu shot [Re: CatHeadBiscuit] #2612078
10/18/18 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
The studies do indicate Autism is genetic. However, a genetic predisposition to it could be pushed into actually having the disease by the introduction of a foreign element. Be it radiation, contaminated food stuffs, or an ingredient in the vaccines. Even just the increased level of stimulation of the immune system within the child’s body could be causing a reaction but only in a group with an as yet unknown marker. So when the parents remain skeptical in the face of the continuous drum beat of it can’t be this or it can’t be that please with all due respect understand we don’t want to hear that ###t anymore!

Go figure it out already it’s only been known for around 60 some odd years while becoming more prevalent with each passing day. The cause has to be found before a cure can be. Mine is 12 so whatever the cure it won’t come before his chance at a somewhat typical life has passed by. This is a nightmare not to be wished upon an enemy. Whatching a child with many incredible abilities faltering in the face of what we consider mundane tasks is torturous. All the while unable to show much if any affection.

I hate to hear that your family is affected by autism. I know it can be rough, as my BIL is autistic. However, you can’t just throw out things that have no scientific backing at all. If that’s what we want to do, then our children shouldn’t eat lettuce, or beans, or tomatoes, or chicken, because they COULD lead to autism. There’s no evidence, but if we are doing these things for the heck of it, we may as well just not have kids, because ANYTHING could theoretically trigger autism.

Re: Flu shot [Re: fedex] #2612112
10/18/18 07:17 PM
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I will see my wife after while and get the details. I remember when my son was born and we had to get all those shots and folks talkin about it being linked to autism or other problems. I cant remember. Let me get my facts straight and i will post what we heard. She is in the med field as a student so im sure she remembers.

Re: Flu shot [Re: Jakethesnake] #2612145
10/18/18 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
I will see my wife after while and get the details. I remember when my son was born and we had to get all those shots and folks talkin about it being linked to autism or other problems. I cant remember. Let me get my facts straight and i will post what we heard. She is in the med field as a student so im sure she remembers.



I asked her. She said some speculate that the vaccines lead to autism but they cant prove it. Makes me wonder though. They cant prove it nor dispove it.

Re: Flu shot [Re: Todd1700] #2612168
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Originally Posted by Todd1700
The CDC, the World Health Organization, and the American Academy of Pediatric Doctors, none of which are a pharmaceutical company, are in universal agreement that there isn't a shread, not a sliver, of credible evidence that vaccinations have anything to do with autism. And I can assure you that the CDC and the World Health Organization don't give two s#*@s about boosting profits at Eli Lily or Bristol-Myers Squibb. It appears to be mostly genetic. For example if one identical twin is diagnosed as autistic the other has a 76% chance that they will be autistic as well. That number falls dramatically with fraternal twins. That one example alone is strong evidence for a genetic link. It is also very wrong to think that the only studies that have been conducted on this matter where conducted by pharmaceutical companies. That's just not true. This has been looked at by many research groups with no links to big pharmaceutical companies. The Dutch just concluded another huge multi-year study that also found no link to vaccines.

Unfortunately the first signs of autism often do not manifest themselves until children have reached an age where they have already recieved vaccinations. We humans tend to engage in direct linear thinking. In other words if I develope some problem today then it must have been caused by whatever happened just prior to it. Can that be true? Sure, but often it isn't. For example I cannot tell you how many people come into our ER with nausea and vomiting convinced that the restaurant they just left that evening gave them food poisoning. Problem is that food poisoning is a bacterial infection that takes time to develope. The most rapid onset of symptoms possible is about 8 hours. And many types of food poisoning take a day or more to kick in after eating the contaminated food. So yeah, they might have food poisoning but they didn't get it from the place they were at an hour ago. But you will never convince them of that. Nope, that's when and where they first felt sick so that's who did it to them. And me, the doctor and our whole outfit can go f### ourselves if we don't agree with them.



Another question more or less, my wife works with some psychs, they have long going discussion as to whether there is actually more cases or the diagnosis are finally catching up to what is really out there?


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Re: Flu shot [Re: CatHeadBiscuit] #2612172
10/18/18 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
The studies do indicate Autism is genetic. However, a genetic predisposition to it could be pushed into actually having the disease by the introduction of a foreign element. Be it radiation, contaminated food stuffs, or an ingredient in the vaccines. Even just the increased level of stimulation of the immune system within the child’s body could be causing a reaction but only in a group with an as yet unknown marker. So when the parents remain skeptical in the face of the continuous drum beat of it can’t be this or it can’t be that please with all due respect understand we don’t want to hear that ###t anymore!

Go figure it out already it’s only been known for around 60 some odd years while becoming more prevalent with each passing day. The cause has to be found before a cure can be. Mine is 12 so whatever the cure it won’t come before his chance at a somewhat typical life has passed by. This is a nightmare not to be wished upon an enemy. Whatching a child with many incredible abilities faltering in the face of what we consider mundane tasks is torturous. All the while unable to show much if any affection.


Prayers sent for ya man. My wife's niece and nephew are afflicted so I've seen first hand what you described. It's an absolutely cruel disease.

Re: Flu shot [Re: Damyankee] #2612178
10/18/18 08:21 PM
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I never used to get it, but about 8-9 years ago I had the flu 2 years in a row. Since then I have been getting the flu shot and have not had it since. I have a daughter in daycare so there is no way I would risk not getting the shot with the germs that come home with her.

I also wouldn’t want to risk giving it to my daughter. She had it at 1 year old and it was the most pitiful thing you have ever seen.

Re: Flu shot [Re: Todd1700] #2612179
10/18/18 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd1700
The CDC, the World Health Organization, and the American Academy of Pediatric Doctors, none of which are a pharmaceutical company, are in universal agreement that there isn't a shread, not a sliver, of credible evidence that vaccinations have anything to do with autism. And I can assure you that the CDC and the World Health Organization don't give two s#*@s about boosting profits at Eli Lily or Bristol-Myers Squibb. It appears to be mostly genetic. For example if one identical twin is diagnosed as autistic the other has a 76% chance that they will be autistic as well. That number falls dramatically with fraternal twins. That one example alone is strong evidence for a genetic link. It is also very wrong to think that the only studies that have been conducted on this matter where conducted by pharmaceutical companies. That's just not true. This has been looked at by many research groups with no links to big pharmaceutical companies. The Dutch just concluded another huge multi-year study that also found no link to vaccines.

Unfortunately the first signs of autism often do not manifest themselves until children have reached an age where they have already recieved vaccinations. We humans tend to engage in direct linear thinking. In other words if I develope some problem today then it must have been caused by whatever happened just prior to it. Can that be true? Sure, but often it isn't. For example I cannot tell you how many people come into our ER with nausea and vomiting convinced that the restaurant they just left that evening gave them food poisoning. Problem is that food poisoning is a bacterial infection that takes time to develope. The most rapid onset of symptoms possible is about 8 hours. And many types of food poisoning take a day or more to kick in after eating the contaminated food. So yeah, they might have food poisoning but they didn't get it from the place they were at an hour ago. But you will never convince them of that. Nope, that's when and where they first felt sick so that's who did it to them. And me, the doctor and our whole outfit can go f### ourselves if we don't agree with them.


So how would you answer the situation a dear friend of mines family was faced with. Their toddler was talking, doing things that normal toddlers do. Got a round of immunizations, went to bed that night and woke up the next day and hasn't spoken since. Went from completely normal to severe autism literally overnight and no there is no truth stretching or any other form of embellishment to that story.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Re: Flu shot [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2612181
10/18/18 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthBamaSlayer
Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
The studies do indicate Autism is genetic. However, a genetic predisposition to it could be pushed into actually having the disease by the introduction of a foreign element. Be it radiation, contaminated food stuffs, or an ingredient in the vaccines. Even just the increased level of stimulation of the immune system within the child’s body could be causing a reaction but only in a group with an as yet unknown marker. So when the parents remain skeptical in the face of the continuous drum beat of it can’t be this or it can’t be that please with all due respect understand we don’t want to hear that ###t anymore!

Go figure it out already it’s only been known for around 60 some odd years while becoming more prevalent with each passing day. The cause has to be found before a cure can be. Mine is 12 so whatever the cure it won’t come before his chance at a somewhat typical life has passed by. This is a nightmare not to be wished upon an enemy. Whatching a child with many incredible abilities faltering in the face of what we consider mundane tasks is torturous. All the while unable to show much if any affection.

I hate to hear that your family is affected by autism. I know it can be rough, as my BIL is autistic. However, you can’t just throw out things that have no scientific backing at all. If that’s what we want to do, then our children shouldn’t eat lettuce, or beans, or tomatoes, or chicken, because they COULD lead to autism. There’s no evidence, but if we are doing these things for the heck of it, we may as well just not have kids, because ANYTHING could theoretically trigger autism.


If I gave my child lettuce before he started having problems you can bet all you hold dear we aren’t buying no more lettuce. Right or wrong I don’t care. You can also bet I won’t trust the lettuce growers association or the truck farm distributors union or the produce manager at piggly wiggly when they talk about how safe and effective and for the greater good it is. That may well be because I haven’t the same education but I hold myself responsible for any further damage. Until we understand what IS happening we are trying to minimize it.


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Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
Aint no tellin what the government is injectin folks with. I wonder what the long term side affects are too?

Dont they say the young kids immunizations shots or whatever they are called have been traced back to all kinds of problems


Whatever they put in them is better than polio, smallpox, mumps, measles, Whooping Cough, or TB.

I don’t usually get the flu shot and seem to have a robust immune system because I might get sick (of any variety) once per 1-2 years, or at worst a stomach bug and cold in the same year, but all the others are imperative.

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I had never had the flu shot, then got the flu one year. It was awful. The next year I got the flu shot and told myself that I would try to get it every year....and I haven't had the shot since then. I'll probably look into getting the shot since I have a baby in the house now.


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Originally Posted by FurFlyin
Originally Posted by Todd1700
The CDC, the World Health Organization, and the American Academy of Pediatric Doctors, none of which are a pharmaceutical company, are in universal agreement that there isn't a shread, not a sliver, of credible evidence that vaccinations have anything to do with autism. And I can assure you that the CDC and the World Health Organization don't give two s#*@s about boosting profits at Eli Lily or Bristol-Myers Squibb. It appears to be mostly genetic. For example if one identical twin is diagnosed as autistic the other has a 76% chance that they will be autistic as well. That number falls dramatically with fraternal twins. That one example alone is strong evidence for a genetic link. It is also very wrong to think that the only studies that have been conducted on this matter where conducted by pharmaceutical companies. That's just not true. This has been looked at by many research groups with no links to big pharmaceutical companies. The Dutch just concluded another huge multi-year study that also found no link to vaccines.

Unfortunately the first signs of autism often do not manifest themselves until children have reached an age where they have already recieved vaccinations. We humans tend to engage in direct linear thinking. In other words if I develope some problem today then it must have been caused by whatever happened just prior to it. Can that be true? Sure, but often it isn't. For example I cannot tell you how many people come into our ER with nausea and vomiting convinced that the restaurant they just left that evening gave them food poisoning. Problem is that food poisoning is a bacterial infection that takes time to develope. The most rapid onset of symptoms possible is about 8 hours. And many types of food poisoning take a day or more to kick in after eating the contaminated food. So yeah, they might have food poisoning but they didn't get it from the place they were at an hour ago. But you will never convince them of that. Nope, that's when and where they first felt sick so that's who did it to them. And me, the doctor and our whole outfit can go f### ourselves if we don't agree with them.


So how would you answer the situation a dear friend of mines family was faced with. Their toddler was talking, doing things that normal toddlers do. Got a round of immunizations, went to bed that night and woke up the next day and hasn't spoken since. Went from completely normal to severe autism literally overnight and no there is no truth stretching or any other form of embellishment to that story.


I can't even imagine. Thinking that you're doing the best thing, for your child, and having that result. Have they gotten any semblance of an explanation as to how that could happen?

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