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Sage grass
#2594967
09/30/18 08:05 AM
09/30/18 08:05 AM
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Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,795 North Jackson
ridgestalker
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14 point
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OP
14 point
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North Jackson
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Is there any hope for ground that is a solid sheet of sage? I’ve always heard the ground would be too poor to even grow rye. I sprayed a couple of acres and was planning on trying throw and mow on it.
Last edited by ridgestalker; 09/30/18 10:43 AM.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: ridgestalker]
#2595304
09/30/18 05:15 PM
09/30/18 05:15 PM
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Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 38,489 N. Bama
257wbymag
Boo Boo Head
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Boo Boo Head
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N. Bama
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Very true it's an indicator of PH issues. Can be high or low. But it's generally not between 5.8 to 6.5. Could be calcium or gypsum issues too
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: ridgestalker]
#2595658
09/30/18 10:47 PM
09/30/18 10:47 PM
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Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 765 Birmingham, AL
Willyb
Deer Farmer
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Deer Farmer
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My experience is simply that sage grass grows on ground that’s been fallow at least 2-3 yrs. I’ve never had it grow where the ground had been cultivated in the previous year.
Last edited by Willyb; 09/30/18 10:48 PM.
Wish it was hunting season.....year round
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: ridgestalker]
#2595743
10/01/18 07:53 AM
10/01/18 07:53 AM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,717 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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I wonder if the OP is using the word "sage grass" as a general term??…….There's several different native warm season grasses.....Their presence I believe is more of a sign of a climax ecosystem I think you would call it.....the opposite of early successional. It's the end product of a "prairie" ecosystem......like how after a disturbance a forest goes from sweetgums to oak/hickory over a long period of time.....a prairie goes from crabgrass, etc ….to big blue stem, indiangrass, etc.
Last edited by CNC; 10/01/18 07:58 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: ridgestalker]
#2595765
10/01/18 08:16 AM
10/01/18 08:16 AM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,091 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
Booner
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Booner
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I had a professor at Auburn who insisted that what we have in AL is broomsedge, and sagebrush was a plant that dominated out West. You will probably find more info if you look up broomsedge.
Broomsedge is the dominant plant under my burned woods. I don't think it's presence means anything except that the ground is open enough for it to grow. Recent clear-cuts are dominated by dogfennel and ragweed, but broomsedge seems to eventually take over before the canopy closes.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
#2595781
10/01/18 08:42 AM
10/01/18 08:42 AM
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CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Broomsedge is the dominant plant under my burned woods. I don't think it's presence means anything except that the ground is open enough for it to grow. Recent clear-cuts are dominated by dogfennel and ragweed, but broomsedge seems to eventually take over before the canopy closes.
If I understand correctly, it’s actually the soil below that’s going from pioneer to “climax’ type conditions. This is what I’m seeing in my field here at home as well over time as I no-till…..I’m seeing less and less crabgrass and more and more broadleafs and NWSG’s. Take that same burned woods that’s growing broomsedge now and till it repeatedly to create pioneer conditions and I bet you’ll see the species change in that area as well over time. Underground soil conditions greatly effect specie composition.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: ridgestalker]
#2599066
10/05/18 07:09 AM
10/05/18 07:09 AM
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Posts: 9,795 North Jackson
ridgestalker
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Well the sage is dying pretty good from being sprayed.Without being able to do much for the soil short term what do ya’ ll think would be my best chance at getting a green spot mowing the thatch over seed. Rye,wheat or oats??
Last edited by ridgestalker; 10/05/18 07:13 AM.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: ridgestalker]
#2599072
10/05/18 07:21 AM
10/05/18 07:21 AM
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Posts: 13,880 Mobile, AL
SouthBamaSlayer
Gary's Fluffer
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Gary's Fluffer
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Well the sage is dying pretty good from being sprayed.Without being able to do much for the soil short term what do ya’ ll think would be my best chance at getting a green spot mowing the thatch over seed. Rye,wheat or oats?? Rye will grow in a porta potty. I would do a 3 way mix and throw in some clover and fertilize it until I could soil test it next year.
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Re: Sage grass
[Re: ridgestalker]
#2599343
10/05/18 12:34 PM
10/05/18 12:34 PM
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Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,616 Alabama
Rmart30
10 point
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Alabama
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Cereal rye, diakons and clover. go heavy on the fertlizer. We grew this mix last yr on spots that were just old red dirt that nothing had really grown on in years.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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