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Firearm legal question #2557576
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So yesterday I went to a bunch of legal training. Saw this language when it comes to firearms on campus. I'm not worried about the first part, but what exactly does "properly maintained in a personal vehicle in a manner consistent with Alabama Law" mean in English? Is this just handguns, or include guns in general?

"UA prohibits possession, transportation, and use of firearms and other dangerous weapons on campus. UAPD provides temporary storage for firearms lawfully possessed by students. Faculty and Staff may not possess firearms on campus except for a firearm properly maintained in a personal vehicle in a manner consistent with Alabama law."

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I would say that means clean, loaded and readily available.


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I always pocket carried on campus


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it means either the vehicle doors are locked, or its in a locked box.


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A. You must have a Alabama conceal carry license.
B. The firearm must be out of sight at all times.
C. The vehicle must be locked when you leave or the firearm must be kept in a locked compartment inside the vehicle or in a locked container permanently attached to the vehicle (ie pickup bed tool box).

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Re: Firearm legal question [Re: DryFire] #2557606
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Originally Posted by TexasNative
A. You must have a Alabama conceal carry license.
B. The firearm must be out of sight at all times.
C. The vehicle must be locked when you leave or the firearm must be kept in a locked compartment inside the vehicle or in a locked container permanently attached to the vehicle (ie pickup bed tool box).



That is the correct answer. Except, Alabama doesn't issue concealed carry permits. They issue pistol permits. Also, pistol permits don't apply to long guns. The rule with long guns, on school grounds requires it to be hunting season and you having a hunting licence.


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Not to go all 49er on you.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a public or private employer may restrict or prohibit its employees, including those with a permit issued or recognized under Section 13A-11-75, from carrying firearms while on the employer's property or while engaged in the duties of the person's employment.
(b) A public or private employer may not restrict or prohibit the transportation or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in an employee's privately owned motor vehicle while parked or operated in a public or private parking area if the employee satisfies all of the following:
(1) The employee either:
a. Has a valid concealed weapon permit; or
b. If the weapon is any firearm legal for use for hunting in Alabama other than a pistol:
i. The employee possesses a valid Alabama hunting license;
ii. The weapon is unloaded at all times on the property;
iii. It is during a season in which hunting is permitted by Alabama law or regulation;
iv. The employee has never been convicted of any crime of violence as that term is defined in Section 13A-11-70, nor of any crime set forth in Chapter 6 of Title 13A, nor is subject to a Domestic Violence Order, as that term is defined in Section 13A-6-141 ;
v. The employee does not meet any of the factors set forth in Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) a.1-8; and
vi. The employee has no documented prior workplace incidents involving the threat of physical injury or which resulted in physical injury.
(2) The motor vehicle is operated or parked in a location where it is otherwise permitted to be.
(3) The firearm is either of the following:
a. In a motor vehicle attended by the employee, kept from ordinary observation within the person's motor vehicle.
b. In a motor vehicle unattended by the employee, kept from ordinary observation and locked within a compartment, container, or in the interior of the person's privately owned motor vehicle or in a compartment or container securely affixed to the motor vehicle.

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Originally Posted by Out back
I would say that means clean, loaded and readily available.


and you are proficient in using said firearm smile


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Originally Posted by doekiller
Not to go all 49er on you.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a public or private employer may restrict or prohibit its employees, including those with a permit issued or recognized under Section 13A-11-75, from carrying firearms while on the employer's property or while engaged in the duties of the person's employment.
(b) A public or private employer may not restrict or prohibit the transportation or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in an employee's privately owned motor vehicle while parked or operated in a public or private parking area if the employee satisfies all of the following:
(1) The employee either:
a. Has a valid concealed weapon permit; or
b. If the weapon is any firearm legal for use for hunting in Alabama other than a pistol:
i. The employee possesses a valid Alabama hunting license;
ii. The weapon is unloaded at all times on the property;
iii. It is during a season in which hunting is permitted by Alabama law or regulation;
iv. The employee has never been convicted of any crime of violence as that term is defined in Section 13A-11-70, nor of any crime set forth in Chapter 6 of Title 13A, nor is subject to a Domestic Violence Order, as that term is defined in Section 13A-6-141 ;
v. The employee does not meet any of the factors set forth in Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) a.1-8; and
vi. The employee has no documented prior workplace incidents involving the threat of physical injury or which resulted in physical injury.
(2) The motor vehicle is operated or parked in a location where it is otherwise permitted to be.
(3) The firearm is either of the following:
a. In a motor vehicle attended by the employee, kept from ordinary observation within the person's motor vehicle.
b. In a motor vehicle unattended by the employee, kept from ordinary observation and locked within a compartment, container, or in the interior of the person's privately owned motor vehicle or in a compartment or container securely affixed to the motor vehicle.

DK. I have a question for you. If an employer cannot prohibit its employees from having a lawful firearm in their personal vehicle, how can it restrict their students from the same?


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Originally Posted by doekiller
Originally Posted by TexasNative
A. You must have a Alabama conceal carry license.
B. The firearm must be out of sight at all times.
C. The vehicle must be locked when you leave or the firearm must be kept in a locked compartment inside the vehicle or in a locked container permanently attached to the vehicle (ie pickup bed tool box).



That is the correct answer. Except, Alabama doesn't issue concealed carry permits. They issue pistol permits. Also, pistol permits don't apply to long guns. The rule with long guns, on school grounds requires it to be hunting season and you having a hunting licence.



It's always hunting season for deer, hogs or coyotes.


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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Originally Posted by doekiller
Not to go all 49er on you.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a public or private employer may restrict or prohibit its employees, including those with a permit issued or recognized under Section 13A-11-75, from carrying firearms while on the employer's property or while engaged in the duties of the person's employment.
(b) A public or private employer may not restrict or prohibit the transportation or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in an employee's privately owned motor vehicle while parked or operated in a public or private parking area if the employee satisfies all of the following:
(1) The employee either:
a. Has a valid concealed weapon permit; or
b. If the weapon is any firearm legal for use for hunting in Alabama other than a pistol:
i. The employee possesses a valid Alabama hunting license;
ii. The weapon is unloaded at all times on the property;
iii. It is during a season in which hunting is permitted by Alabama law or regulation;
iv. The employee has never been convicted of any crime of violence as that term is defined in Section 13A-11-70, nor of any crime set forth in Chapter 6 of Title 13A, nor is subject to a Domestic Violence Order, as that term is defined in Section 13A-6-141 ;
v. The employee does not meet any of the factors set forth in Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) a.1-8; and
vi. The employee has no documented prior workplace incidents involving the threat of physical injury or which resulted in physical injury.
(2) The motor vehicle is operated or parked in a location where it is otherwise permitted to be.
(3) The firearm is either of the following:
a. In a motor vehicle attended by the employee, kept from ordinary observation within the person's motor vehicle.
b. In a motor vehicle unattended by the employee, kept from ordinary observation and locked within a compartment, container, or in the interior of the person's privately owned motor vehicle or in a compartment or container securely affixed to the motor vehicle.

DK. I have a question for you. If an employer cannot prohibit its employees from having a lawful firearm in their personal vehicle, how can it restrict their students from the same?

Because when you sign the student code of conduct, you forfeit that right.

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This is a gun control advocate's dream. They never make it illegal. They make is juuuuuust hard enough where you don't want to fool with it.

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Originally Posted by Remington270
This is a gun control advocate's dream. They never make it illegal. They make is juuuuuust hard enough where you don't want to fool with it.


This is exactly right. Just like in DC, where they say "sure, you can apply for a firearm permit" and then have multiple hours of training courses, special requirements, fees, long lines, long waiting times to be "approved" and more.


As for universities, who signs a "student code of conduct" these days? I don't even remember one from 30 years ago.


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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by Remington270
This is a gun control advocate's dream. They never make it illegal. They make is juuuuuust hard enough where you don't want to fool with it.


This is exactly right. Just like in DC, where they say "sure, you can apply for a firearm permit" and then have multiple hours of training courses, special requirements, fees, long lines, long waiting times to be "approved" and more.


As for universities, who signs a "student code of conduct" these days? I don't even remember one from 30 years ago.

Every single one.

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When would said students sign this "code of conduct" contract agreement? I attended Calhoun CC and Auburn (for four years) and never remember one. Ever.


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Originally Posted by Clem

When would said students sign this "code of conduct" contract agreement? I attended Calhoun CC and Auburn (for four years) and never remember one. Ever.


It’s in their enrollment paperwork. By becoming a student, there’s always a clause that says you will abide by school rules. It allows them to make up their own rules that can sometimes contradict a written law or regulation.

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They could do that but it'd be challenged just like anything else. Our son is in his third year AU and just told me he's never heard of anything like that.


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I met with the Dean of Students (voluntarily) about UAB two years ago and posed this question. “If someone pulled a gun on me on school property, and I used a firearm in self defense, what would happen?” He told me that I would be expelled, no questions asked.

I also had to meet with the Dean of Students at USA because I was at a fraternity house one night that was raided by campus police while some people were drinking. I told the dean that I wasn’t drinking (which was the truth) and that there was no way they could prove I was. I was told that school rules state “if there is enough alcohol present for you to have been drinking, you’re guilty.”

Both of these obviously contradict how things are in reality, but the code of conduct was used to justify it, and my attorney (family friend, haven’t actually needed one) said that it wasn’t worth fighting because of what we agreed to upon enrollment.

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Originally Posted by SouthBamaSlayer
I told the dean that I wasn’t drinking (which was the truth) and that there was no way they could prove I was. I was told that school rules state “if there is enough alcohol present for you to have been drinking, you’re guilty.”

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