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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2551713
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I've always shot 100gr 3 blade muzzy's and never had an issue. 90+% of the shots have been complete pass throughs. Muzzy has recently come out with a hybrid head. It is a two blade fixed with a big mechanical incorporated into it. I'll probably put a couple in the quiver this year and shoot a doe with them just to see how they perform. Seems like a best of both worlds scenario. You've got the two fixed blades in place just in case the mechanical fails to open. I'm interested to see if incorporating the larger cut diameter mechanical into an already proven design will decrease the pass throughs. As a new bowhunter you will quickly learn that pass throughs are your friend. They bleed good and tracking is easier when they've got holes on both sides of their rib cage.

Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: 2Dogs] #2551939
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Dalton
I appreciate every ones answers! Reason I’m going with mechanical instead of fixed blade is bc I’m new to the sport and a mechanical flys almost identical to a field tip and i want to take the factor of the fixed blade flying off course out, and also mechanical broadheads from what i have understood leave a bigger hole and the animal will bleed out a lot quicker therefore less suffering in the deers part and a quicker/easier find! From everything I’ve seen y’all talk about it seems that any of the ones i could use will kill and it’s all down to personal experience and finding out what you like! Thank you all and happy hunting boys!


Ram Cats fly better than field tips for me.


I concur. That's why I was intent to point that out in my response about the Muzzys. I can truly (I'm not fudging) shoot 3 field tips, 3 Rages, and 3 Muzzys and they'll all touch. I reckon back in the "old days" (and I've been bow hunting since I guess the early/mid 90's) there was a distinct difference, but today I just don't think there is.

But technically I don't shoot field tips. Literally, I don't own one, doubt I could find one anywhere in my house or shop, can't remember the last time I shot one. I practice with what I hunt with. If I shoot 200 arrows a year (and honestly that'd be a lot for me) they're all broadheads.


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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: ikillbux] #2551943
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Originally Posted by ikillbux
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Dalton
I appreciate every ones answers! Reason I’m going with mechanical instead of fixed blade is bc I’m new to the sport and a mechanical flys almost identical to a field tip and i want to take the factor of the fixed blade flying off course out, and also mechanical broadheads from what i have understood leave a bigger hole and the animal will bleed out a lot quicker therefore less suffering in the deers part and a quicker/easier find! From everything I’ve seen y’all talk about it seems that any of the ones i could use will kill and it’s all down to personal experience and finding out what you like! Thank you all and happy hunting boys!


Ram Cats fly better than field tips for me.


I concur. That's why I was intent to point that out in my response about the Muzzys. I can truly (I'm not fudging) shoot 3 field tips, 3 Rages, and 3 Muzzys and they'll all touch. I reckon back in the "old days" (and I've been bow hunting since I guess the early/mid 90's) there was a distinct difference, but today I just don't think there is.

But technically I don't shoot field tips. Literally, I don't own one, doubt I could find one anywhere in my house or shop, can't remember the last time I shot one. I practice with what I hunt with. If I shoot 200 arrows a year (and honestly that'd be a lot for me) they're all broadheads.

I understand! I wanna be able to use the rage practice tips so i don’t destroy my targetbwith broadheads


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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2551950
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Originally Posted by Dalton
I appreciate every ones answers! Reason I’m going with mechanical instead of fixed blade is bc I’m new to the sport and a mechanical flys almost identical to a field tip and i want to take the factor of the fixed blade flying off course out, and also mechanical broadheads from what i have understood leave a bigger hole and the animal will bleed out a lot quicker therefore less suffering in the deers part and a quicker/easier find! From everything I’ve seen y’all talk about it seems that any of the ones i could use will kill and it’s all down to personal experience and finding out what you like! Thank you all and happy hunting boys!

If your bow is tuned correctly there's little difference between field points and fixed broadheads.
Most of my deer, shot with a muzzy, are found dead inside 100 yards.
Usually there's no tracking, I hear them fall and walk right to the general area.
On the occasions when I did have to track one, the blood trail was very easy to follow.


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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2552488
08/15/18 08:51 AM
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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2554236
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Originally Posted by Dalton
I appreciate every ones answers! Reason I’m going with mechanical instead of fixed blade is bc I’m new to the sport and a mechanical flys almost identical to a field tip and i want to take the factor of the fixed blade flying off course out, and also mechanical broadheads from what i have understood leave a bigger hole and the animal will bleed out a lot quicker therefore less suffering in the deers part and a quicker/easier find! From everything I’ve seen y’all talk about it seems that any of the ones i could use will kill and it’s all down to personal experience and finding out what you like! Thank you all and happy hunting boys!


A property tuned bow will shoot fixed heads just as well as field tips. Lots of folks shoot mechanicals to hide tuning issues.

Bigger hole is not always true, especially when mechanicals fail and you wind up with 2” of arrow hanging in a deer or a shoulder stops it.

To be the most ethical, you would build an arrow set-up that won’t fail and has the momentum/arrow weight to penetrate to vitals no matter what bone comes in front of it.

You can PM me and I’ll lead you down the rabbit hole if you are interested.

Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2554278
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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2554745
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Lots of good quality mechanicals out there. Ive killed deeer with wasp jackhammers, swackers, rage hypos, and nap killzones. I’ve also killed them with a few different fixed heads. I’m sure I just missed it but what bow and poundage are you shooting?



Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2554813
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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2554848
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I shoot NAP Killzone and have been more than pleased. Shot a ~225lb 8 point last year and it performed perfectly. Left a big hole and penetrated until it hit the back shoulder. If it were me I'd shoot an expandable, they fly much more accurate imo.

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Originally Posted by ColeT
I shoot NAP Killzone and have been more than pleased. Shot a ~225lb 8 point last year and it performed perfectly. Left a big hole and penetrated until it hit the back shoulder. If it were me I'd shoot an expandable, they fly much more accurate imo.

Only way they more accurate is if the bows not tuned well. I shoot 2 brands of fixed blades and they hit with my broadhead to 70yds. Haven't shot my broadhead past 70 this year. I think the difference may be noticed by a pro but, no difference for 4 of us that shoot together.

Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: kodiak06] #2555839
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Only way they more accurate is if the bows not tuned well.


I am going to disagree with this just a little. I have never had trouble getting a bow tuned and therefore my fixed blade broadheads and field points to fly to the same point of aim. But a fixed broadhead tipped arrow is a little more affected by minor glitches in shooting form. A minor glitch in your shot that would cause a field tip to hit 2 inches off at 40 yards will cause a broadhead to be off by twice as much. I find that fixed heads tend to be more affected by wind as well. Mech heads which fly like a field tip do not exhibit these same tendencies.

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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: 2Dogs] #2555949
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Dalton
I appreciate every ones answers! Reason I’m going with mechanical instead of fixed blade is bc I’m new to the sport and a mechanical flys almost identical to a field tip and i want to take the factor of the fixed blade flying off course out, and also mechanical broadheads from what i have understood leave a bigger hole and the animal will bleed out a lot quicker therefore less suffering in the deers part and a quicker/easier find! From everything I’ve seen y’all talk about it seems that any of the ones i could use will kill and it’s all down to personal experience and finding out what you like! Thank you all and happy hunting boys!


Ram Cats fly better than field tips for me.


Same here.
I’ve used rage, muzzy, tekan, but as long as I can get ran cars that’s what I’ll use. Having your bow tuned properly has MUCH to do with arra flight. I finally got mine right last season and it makes all the difference


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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Todd1700] #2555979
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Originally Posted by Todd1700
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Only way they more accurate is if the bows not tuned well.


I am going to disagree with this just a little. I have never had trouble getting a bow tuned and therefore my fixed blade broadheads and field points to fly to the same point of aim. But a fixed broadhead tipped arrow is a little more affected by minor glitches in shooting form. A minor glitch in your shot that would cause a field tip to hit 2 inches off at 40 yards will cause a broadhead to be off by twice as much. I find that fixed heads tend to be more affected by wind as well. Mech heads which fly like a field tip do not exhibit these same tendencies.


I wasn't talking wind or poor shots, I'm talking shooting an arrow accurately. Wind will affect any arrow including a field points. I hunt NW Oregon, we have a little wind. IAlthough illegal here, I would never use a mechanical. That's just my preference. I've seen 2 mech heads fail to open and that's why I'll avoid them. They do kill lots of animals though

Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: kodiak06] #2556290
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Never seen a mech head of any type fail to open; rear deploy or fold from front either one. Never had any of my friends have one fail to open. Some buddies and myself used to tie some shut with dental floss and shoot them at targets in an attempt to get them to fail. They broke the dental floss and still opened. Every time. I believe that 99.9999999999999% of "It didn't open" claims with mech heads are horse pucky. Typically these claims are offered up as an excuse for a lost animal. Hey, why take the blame yourself when you can blame the mech head.

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I wasn't talking wind or poor shots, I'm talking shooting an arrow accurately


But I was and those things do happen. I am no pro shooter. Never had any interest in it. But I have put an awful lot of arrows down range in my 52 years. Enough to say that I do not believe that anyone, much less an average shooter, will shoot fixed blade broadheads as accurately out to all ranges as they will a field tip. And for the reason I listed. A fixed blade head will not be as forgiving as the field tip. Therefore a mech head, which flys just like a field tip will also be a little more forgiving and thus a little more accurate.

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Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2556320
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I would call myself an average shooter. My field points and broadhead fly the same to 80yds. I went today and tried it since i had only tested to 60 this year. Anyway, it's all preference and what's legal...

Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: Dalton] #2557683
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fixed - Slick Trick standard 100grain. mechanical - NAP SpitFire 100 grain both shoot field point accurate with out having to tweek them to the arrow.

Re: Let’s talk broadheads!!! [Re: clarkdeer] #2558146
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Originally Posted by clarkdeer
Lots of good quality mechanicals out there. Ive killed deeer with wasp jackhammers, swackers, rage hypos, and nap killzones. I’ve also killed them with a few different fixed heads. I’m sure I just missed it but what bow and poundage are you shooting?

65lb


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