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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Clem] #2550775
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Originally Posted by Clem

Y'all should be more pissed off that a person sitting on the Advisory Board who brought up this turkey stuff and voted on all other proposals resigned her board seat just a couple of weeks after this May meeting because she was moving to Georgia.

Y'all really believe at the time of the Board meeting that she didn't know she was going to resign and move just weeks later? Or that anyone else at DCNR or involved with the Board didn't know?

The Board has had meetings and votes in the past with a member absent for whatever reason. Her sitting in the meeting, making proposals and voting on issues but then resigning just weeks later reeks of BS.





Things like this cause the average guy to lose all confidence in our system. The turkey study may be completely on the up and up, but I will always doubt it because of so many questionable practices by the dcnr brass. I don't know if they don't understand that, or just don't care.


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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Ben2] #2550900
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Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Well, you’re probably the only one. I love the first two weeks of the season.



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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Ben2] #2550916
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Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Nope. Extremely short sighted comment. Every acre of AL south of Hwy 80 should start earlier than March 15, not later.

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: turkey247] #2550919
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Originally Posted by turkey247
Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Nope. Extremely short sighted comment. Every acre of AL south of Hwy 80 should start earlier than March 15, not later.

Pretty much. When the birds are henned up opening weekend, it started too late:

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Clem] #2550923
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[quote=Clem]
Y'all should be more pissed off that a person sitting on the Advisory Board who brought up this turkey stuff and voted on all other proposals resigned her board seat just a couple of weeks after this May meeting because she was moving to Georgia.

Y'all really believe at the time of the Board meeting that she didn't know she was going to resign and move just weeks later? Or that anyone else at DCNR or involved with the Board didn't know?

The Board has had meetings and votes in the past with a member absent for whatever reason. Her sitting in the meeting, making proposals and voting on issues but then resigning just weeks later reeks of BS.


Jessica Butler was born in Molena, GA and moved to Scottsboro in 2013. How she even get on the CAB only being here a few years?

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2550934
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Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Well, you’re probably the only one. I love the first two weeks of the season.


No joke. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they moved the season back to start beginning of March and go out middle of April.

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Ben2] #2550960
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Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.

Thats when ours starts and and the WMA's I hunt produces as much or more than the southern zones. I remember the southern zone always starting on March 20th for alot of years.

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551001
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Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Well, you’re probably the only one. I love the first two weeks of the season.

I love the first two weeks of March.


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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551028
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Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Well, you’re probably the only one. I love the first two weeks of the season.


Nope, he's not the only one that likes April. I'll hunt all season, but April has always been my best month.


83% of all statistics are made up.

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: N2TRKYS] #2551227
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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Well, you’re probably the only one. I love the first two weeks of the season.


Nope, he's not the only one that likes April. I'll hunt all season, but April has always been my best month.



When I said, “you’re probably the only one” I was referring to ben saying he has no problem with the date change. I do favor the first two weeks of the season but I don’t want wanna I lose ANY hunting days. I can’t believe y’all are ok with losing 6 days in 2020???



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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551247
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Originally Posted by Southwood7
Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Well, you’re probably the only one. I love the first two weeks of the season.


Nope, he's not the only one that likes April. I'll hunt all season, but April has always been my best month.



When I said, “you’re probably the only one” I was referring to ben saying he has no problem with the date change. I do favor the first two weeks of the season but I don’t want wanna I lose ANY hunting days. I can’t believe y’all are ok with losing 6 days in 2020???


I never said I was ok with losing days.


83% of all statistics are made up.

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Out back] #2551387
08/13/18 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by Southwood7

Originally Posted by Ben2
Turkey hunting is to be done in April imo. Got no problem with the date change.


Well, you’re probably the only one. I love the first two weeks of the season.

I love the first two weeks of March.


^^^^That’s a good one. I bet the hunting pressure is light even on public land👍

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551766
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I got a response from my emails:



I was forwarded several emails from you today, one of which came from the Commissioner’s office, and I have been asked to respond to your concerns. I see that they are all centered around the change in the opening day of turkey season for the upcoming year. The spring opening date change from March 15 to the 3rd Saturday in March was a recommendation proposed by the Conservation Advisory Board. To be clear, the recommendation was not proposed by ADCNR Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Division (WFF) wildlife biologists. The first priority with our staff in recommending changes to season regulations is the wildlife resource in which we a deemed responsible for managing. If a later opening had been proposed by our staff, it would likely have been later than the 3rd Saturday in March based on preliminary data. Our WFF Wild Turkey Committee, in cooperation with researchers at Auburn University, has developed wild turkey prediction models using current biological data such as reproduction, survival, and harvest rates to predict future populations under various season and bag limit alternatives. Although this work is not yet complete, indications are pointing to a later opening and reduced bag limit as the optimal alternative to produce the most viable populations. We are currently updating the model and will include data gleaned from the current AU research project when it concludes next year. Besides the observed decline in population growth as evidenced by our statewide brood surveys and harvest trends, harvest intensity in the first couple weeks of the spring season may play a role in reducing the potential of hens being bred.

I am looking at the turkey season and bag limit recommendations through three pair of glasses. First as a turkey hunter with 40 years of experience here in Alabama. Secondly, as a college educated wildlife biologist with more than 25 years of on-the-ground experience of managing tens of thousands of acres in Alabama. And finally, as the Director of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries whose job is to manage, protect, conserve, and enhance the wildlife and aquatic resources of Alabama for the sustainable benefit of the people of Alabama. As a selfish turkey hunter, I want as many days afield as I can get regardless of the negative impact it could have on the resource. As a biologist, I want the season to start in April as the biological data suggests which would be best for the resource. As the Director, I have to weigh the consequences of both sides before I make recommendations.

As you said in your email, “ I’m personally not concerned about the hunter who isn’t “off work” until Saturday, when the season opens up during the week. If it mattered to that guy, he could schedule his vacation time accordingly like the rest of us do that enjoy weekday hunting. “ I’d be willing to bet that the hunter you mentioned prior is not concerned about your issues of, “My children’s spring break normally coincides with the 15th opener. I know that all school district calendars are not the same, but it matters to us. Competitive kids spring sports; baseball, softball, soccer, dance and cheer almost all involve weekend travel these days”. Although these season changes may be inconvenient for some of our hunters, our focus is maintaining sustainable populations of wild turkeys, while providing hunting opportunities for all Alabamians, now and in the future.

Thank you for your input and I hope I have adequately addressed all of your concerns.


Chuck Sykes
Director
Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries Division

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551780
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I got a response that I will post as well. Y’all get ready for a 3 bird limit.



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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551789
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A lot of info in that email excep one thing. The real reason.

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: T-town] #2551799
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It's nice that you got a response, T-town.

If there was any doubt before, that email should eliminate it - they are gonna reduce the length of the season and the limit. And it will be justified by a computer model that "may" indicate that some hens are not being bred because of the timing of the season opener.

There might indeed be places with so few gobblers that there are none around to breed the hens when they needed it. The historical solution to that has been to start the season later in those places. In places where you hear multiple gobblers throughout the season it defies common sense to believe that hens aren't being bred due to hunting.

Oh well, government doesn't have to use common sense.


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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551814
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The new studies preliminary findings are not friendly for turkey hunters. As much as it pains me I think sweeping changes are coming.

Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551817
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From that response:

The spring opening date change from March 15 to the 3rd Saturday in March was a recommendation proposed by the Conservation Advisory Board. To be clear, the recommendation was not proposed by ADCNR Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Division (WFF) wildlife biologists. The first priority with our staff in recommending changes to season regulations is the wildlife resource in which we a deemed responsible for managing.

IF this is true, IF putting the resource comes first, IF the WWF biologists' recommendations are different from the Advisory Board AND the Board is not the End-All Be-All Decider of whatever happens then the DCNR Commissioner should not have approved this turkey season change.


But when the February deer season in North Alabama was approved it was clear that "what's best for the resource" isn't the top priority.


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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: Southwood7] #2551818
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What ticks me off about Chuckies response is they are proposing nearly the same season and bag limit for us that Georgia has had for a very long time. Georgia is very similar in habitat as us. They are also experiencing a decline in population even though they have a later season opener and 3 bird limit. I’m sure the state of Georgia have people with similar credentials as Chuckie managing their natural resources as well. What they are doing isn’t working at all to increase their population and still experiencing a decline. What makes him think Alabama is going to be any different? If I were the one that received that reply my follow up email would point out this information and ask him why he thinks Alabama is going to be different than Georgia with a similar management approach. In my opinion there is a bigger issue behind the secense to be like our neighbors and copy their failed management philosophy.

I consider myself a law abiding citizen of this state and have always tried to do the right thing. If they are going to get stupid with our turkey season I might have to reconsider my way of thinking on that matter.

And as far as I’m concerned Chuckie needs to go!! He has to many personal beliefs that he’s imposing on our season and game laws.


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Re: Contact the DCNR [Re: T-town] #2551819
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Originally Posted by T-town
I got a response from my emails:



I was forwarded several emails from you today, one of which came from the Commissioner’s office, and I have been asked to respond to your concerns. I see that they are all centered around the change in the opening day of turkey season for the upcoming year. The spring opening date change from March 15 to the 3rd Saturday in March was a recommendation proposed by the Conservation Advisory Board. To be clear, the recommendation was not proposed by ADCNR Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Division (WFF) wildlife biologists. The first priority with our staff in recommending changes to season regulations is the wildlife resource in which we a deemed responsible for managing. If a later opening had been proposed by our staff, it would likely have been later than the 3rd Saturday in March based on preliminary data. Our WFF Wild Turkey Committee, in cooperation with researchers at Auburn University, has developed wild turkey prediction models using current biological data such as reproduction, survival, and harvest rates to predict future populations under various season and bag limit alternatives. Although this work is not yet complete, indications are pointing to a later opening and reduced bag limit as the optimal alternative to produce the most viable populations. We are currently updating the model and will include data gleaned from the current AU research project when it concludes next year. Besides the observed decline in population growth as evidenced by our statewide brood surveys and harvest trends, harvest intensity in the first couple weeks of the spring season may play a role in reducing the potential of hens being bred.

I am looking at the turkey season and bag limit recommendations through three pair of glasses. First as a turkey hunter with 40 years of experience here in Alabama. Secondly, as a college educated wildlife biologist with more than 25 years of on-the-ground experience of managing tens of thousands of acres in Alabama. And finally, as the Director of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries whose job is to manage, protect, conserve, and enhance the wildlife and aquatic resources of Alabama for the sustainable benefit of the people of Alabama. As a selfish turkey hunter, I want as many days afield as I can get regardless of the negative impact it could have on the resource. As a biologist, I want the season to start in April as the biological data suggests which would be best for the resource. As the Director, I have to weigh the consequences of both sides before I make recommendations.

As you said in your email, “ I’m personally not concerned about the hunter who isn’t “off work” until Saturday, when the season opens up during the week. If it mattered to that guy, he could schedule his vacation time accordingly like the rest of us do that enjoy weekday hunting. “ I’d be willing to bet that the hunter you mentioned prior is not concerned about your issues of, “My children’s spring break normally coincides with the 15th opener. I know that all school district calendars are not the same, but it matters to us. Competitive kids spring sports; baseball, softball, soccer, dance and cheer almost all involve weekend travel these days”. Although these season changes may be inconvenient for some of our hunters, our focus is maintaining sustainable populations of wild turkeys, while providing hunting opportunities for all Alabamians, now and in the future.

Thank you for your input and I hope I have adequately addressed all of your concerns.


Chuck Sykes
Director
Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries Division



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