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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: tombo51] #2549921
08/11/18 09:07 PM
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I’ve had A5s for decades. I used to have lots of other Benellis, Berettas, Franchis, and such. Really like some of them. None of them would hold up to my specific hard use and high volume and sketchy cleaning opportunities, without hiccups, like my A5s. You can hose out an A5 and call it a cleaning. They’ll shake off ice, mud, and even rust on the first shot. Sometimes old, heavy, and violent big moving parts are good. Browning Auto 5s haven’t been produced since 1996, weren’t heavily imported to South America like Italian guns, and do have different recoil than gas guns. Picking guns with light recoil in 20ga is probably the biggest factor in what is shot down there....not which will last longest. At $4-$8k per hunter, per hunt, they can probably buy a lot of new guns.

To the OP, anything from any of the major manufacturers will work fine for years, for the occasional dove and Turkey use.

Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: ALMODUX] #2550048
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Originally Posted by ALMODUX
I’ve had A5s for decades. I used to have lots of other Benellis, Berettas, Franchis, and such. Really like some of them. None of them would hold up to my specific hard use and high volume and sketchy cleaning opportunities, without hiccups, like my A5s. You can hose out an A5 and call it a cleaning. They’ll shake off ice, mud, and even rust on the first shot. Sometimes old, heavy, and violent big moving parts are good. Browning Auto 5s haven’t been produced since 1996, weren’t heavily imported to South America like Italian guns, and do have different recoil than gas guns. Picking guns with light recoil in 20ga is probably the biggest factor in what is shot down there....not which will last longest. At $4-$8k per hunter, per hunt, they can probably buy a lot of new guns.

To the OP, anything from any of the major manufacturers will work fine for years, for the occasional dove and Turkey use.


I work with a hard core duck hunter who has had Arkansas leases for prolly 30 years. Hunts locally and Arkansas with passion. I asked him about Benelli's the other day. He said he 'wore his out ' , was having to work on it a lot and ' put a lot parts in it'. I've never heard anyone say they wore out an A-5. For decades they were the only auto loader that would hold up to the constant pounding of the hot, magnum duck loads. I've heard stories of a couple that were dropped in Lake Guntersville, fished out, cleaned and are still shootin'.



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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: tombo51] #2550070
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I have an A5 that was dropped in a lake in Maryland duck hunting. My grandfather ask the guy who dropped it, how he was going to get it out. The guy said he didn’t have any way to get it and it was to cold to try anyway. My grandfather told him he was a fool. The guy said, well, if you can get it, you can have it. My grandfather stripped to his underwear and dove in. He came back up with it. The guy said, thanks for getting my gun, my grandfather told him it wasn’t his gun anymore. But, if he insisted, he would just toss it back in the water and leave it. That was 60 something years ago. It still shoots.

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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: Luvbowhuntn] #2550125
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Originally Posted by Luvbowhuntn
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
None of that Franchie VS whatever means anything unless you are talking about specific models. Some of the Franchi and Benelli models are virtually identical in their bolt carrier groups. I know they are assembled side by side with the more expensive Benelli. I don't know for sure but bolt carrier groups are very similar,and may be identical.Yes, the spring is reversed ,but it works exactly the same.

I also have a Beretta ES 100 Pintail that uses what was the original Benelli inertia system. Beretta only made it for a year or two. They discontinued it as soon as they acquired Benelli. The original Benelli guns were made by H&K. Don't be fooled into thinking the Benelli is so superior in it's present configuration. Many things are made in the same manufacturing facility by a conglomerate like Beretta.


I'm 99.9% positive the early Benelli's were still manufactured by Benelli but were only imported in name only under the H&K brand due to import legalities.


Maybe so I'm not sure. I do know that the H&K SBE I have is all machined parts. I've owned 2 H&K's and maybe another 10-12 SBE-SBEII's. I still have my original H&K I bought in the early 90's. I hated the comfort tech stock.

Like mentioned, I've replaced the springs with a sure cycle system and had to have the ejector replaced for free. Benelli held my gun for a month for testing cause they were impressed with the forcing cone work/angle porting and for some reason my gun would still cycle the lightest loads they had. I ran no telling how many 3.5 turkey loads thru it, they're worse than any ducks loads on it if you ask me. We used to test cases of turkey loads and choke combinations. Missed very few days of duck hunting back then too so it's no telling the number of rounds that thing digested.

Wished I had a dollar for every time that thing took a bath on mudflats and rice fields, it'd get dropped, covered in mud from dogs or what ever, I'd rinse it off in the water and keep shooting. Had to clean it that night cause some trigger group intricate parts would get rusty.

I'm shooting the "new" A5 these days,(just got the Wicked Wings Bottomland) just like the look and the guts are a Benelli basically. I've shot the old A5's and are cool but I can't get used to the cycling.


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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: 2Dogs] #2550608
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs


I work with a hard core duck hunter who has had Arkansas leases for prolly 30 years. Hunts locally and Arkansas with passion. I asked him about Benelli's the other day. He said he 'wore his out ' , was having to work on it a lot and ' put a lot parts in it'. I've never heard anyone say they wore out an A-5. For decades they were the only auto loader that would hold up to the constant pounding of the hot, magnum duck loads. I've heard stories of a couple that were dropped in Lake Guntersville, fished out, cleaned and are still shootin'.


Mine have taken swims in Guntersville and plenty of other places. I’ve seen days in the MS delta mud with Benellis sitting in a corner of the pit to fix later, while everyone took turns shooting an Auto 5 to get their limits.

Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: cartervj] #2550717
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I've shot the old A5's and are cool but I can't get used to the cycling.

The day I don’t get to feel that barrel recoil when I pull up on a duck is the day I’ll quit hunting. I’ve used them for so long that other shotguns just don’t feel as good to me. Plus there’s very few softer shooting shotguns out there than a properly set up Auto 5. I’ve used my Mag Stalker for so long it’s like an extension of me and a Mag Twenty is as sweet Shooting a shotgun is you’ll likely ever find. The feel and the sound of an Auto 5 action is good for the soul of any bird hunter


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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: tombo51] #2550868
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Bought my Benelli Montefeltro in 1987 from Mark's for $567; still have receipt. It ain't close to "wore out" and has NEVER failed to cycle anything any condition.

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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: R_H_Clark] #2552143
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Beretta 390


Yes! THIS

I "wore out" an A5 light 12 shooting doves for years with it. One day I was shooting and all of a sudden I was holding the forearm and barrel in my left hand and the receiver and stock in my right hand. The mag tube broke off at the receiver. That's all that's holding this shotgun together!

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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: deadeye] #2552174
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Ya'll go ahead and keep shooting your Gas Operated guns I'll stick with my Belgium Brownings and Remington model 11's. I still have my Dad's that he bought new in 1939.

Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: deadeye] #2552217
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Originally Posted by deadeye
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Beretta 390


Yes! THIS

I "wore out" an A5 light 12 shooting doves for years with it. One day I was shooting and all of a sudden I was holding the forearm and barrel in my left hand and the receiver and stock in my right hand. The mag tube broke off at the receiver. That's all that's holding this shotgun together!


Bet the cap that holds the forearm and barrel on had backed off


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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: Beadlescomb] #2552382
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Originally Posted by Beadlescomb
Originally Posted by deadeye
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Beretta 390


Yes! THIS

I "wore out" an A5 light 12 shooting doves for years with it. One day I was shooting and all of a sudden I was holding the forearm and barrel in my left hand and the receiver and stock in my right hand. The mag tube broke off at the receiver. That's all that's holding this shotgun together!


Bet the cap that holds the forearm and barrel on had backed off


Yep, sounds like there's some negligence in that story somewhere.



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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: tombo51] #2552575
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Yup I agree with Beadlescomb. That isn't the fault of the shotgun. You've got to tighten that mag cap down on occasion. Tighten down and back off one click. You ain't going to wear out a Light 12 on dove hunts here in the states even after many many years of em


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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: Luvbowhuntn] #2552598
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Originally Posted by Luvbowhuntn
Yup I agree with Beadlescomb. That isn't the fault of the shotgun. You've got to tighten that mag cap down on occasion. Tighten down and back off one click. You ain't going to wear out a Light 12 on dove hunts here in the states even after many many years of em


I've seen it happen on another gun the slack gives the barrel a running start


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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: tombo51] #2552736
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Exactly


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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: TickaTicka] #2553013
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[quote=abolt300]Benelli owns Franchi and Stoeger. Beretta owns Benelli. A Franchi is a very good shotgun but it ain't a Benelli by a longshot.

Inertia action is the same.


This is a Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Toyota argument. There's a lot of good stuff out there and unless you get a lemon, most of it works really well for the typical shotgunner.

Shoulder a bunch of models and pick what you like.


I'll be a douche and quote myself. Shotguns are like cars, most are really good now.


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Re: Best all around semi auto shotgun [Re: tombo51] #2562689
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Actually, I think many shotguns these are built to be disposable now. The way they ARE like cars these days? Don’t shoot them much, and they’ll last a while.

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I ended up goin with the stoeger m3000 with a camo stock can’t wait to try her out on the dove field


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I want an A5.

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