Who has had success with Throw n Grow or other no till type seed. What works best for late season

Oh lord, I can't believe you ask this. I've used it and hated it. I like a disc field and sewn seeds. The only time I've just thrown seed is to overseed. If it was as great as some would have you believe, don't you think real farmers like 257 would use it too? This is what lazy men do.
It's very good to your birds and turkeys tho.

If you’re talking about the name brand buck on a bag “Throw and Grow”…..it’s pretty much just ryegrass. There’s better choices of seeds for food plots that will still work well in a no-till situation. The conditions you’re planting into matter a lot but cereal rye is a very good options that will work well in a wide range of situations. For late season the most important thing is that you’ve still got a lush, deep green plot full of forage and not a field of dirt and yellow grass. That’s a function of soil health and management practices.

A few other seeds that work well in no-till situations are…….. pretty much any clover, especially crimson……brassicas like rape, turnips, radishes……….millet…….milo…..…buckwheat…….cowpeas….The smaller the seed the easier its gonna be to get going. Soil conditions will play a big role in that though. I actually saw a picture of someone yesterday from another state experimenting with throw and mow corn. He had a nice little stand going but I’m still wondering if he’s not gonna have some issues down the road with corn like that. It just goes to show though that planted in the right manner in the right conditions, many different seeds can be sprouted and grown well without tillage.

Go to the throw and mow thread in the QDMA forum. It has a wealth of knowledge (mostly from CNC) if you are serious about shifting to this method. I had tremendous success my first year doing it on two small plots only accessible with an atv. I sprayed roundup over the weeds in August. Then spread the seeds in September and knocked down the dead weeds over it with a drag. Came up great.

I’d probably suggest that you not go back and try to read the whole thread….it’s waaay too long and would probably just leave you feeling overwhelmed. That thread is more of a “live” running account of things as they happen in real time across the seasons. Just jump in and start asking questions.

Perch, you ought to check it out as well……Who knows, we might have you no-tilling too....

I already have plots that I till and seed, this is for a spot out in the middle of nowhere. Thanks CNC for the information

No problem. Try cereal rye and crimson clover if you have some sunlight to work with. If it’s a small plot then go 75-100 lbs/ac of cereal rye and 10 lbs of crimson clover. Spread it over the top of the existing vegetation preferably before a rain sometimes around late Sept to mid Oct……then mow or drag over the dying summer veg to put it on the ground. If you mow, try to not leave wind rows of piled hay….spread it evenly. Hit it with a little fertilizer at planting as well. If you aren’t gonna get a soil test and don’t have the ability to spread a lot fert….then at least try to put out 50 lbs/ac of 34-0-0 at planting or 2-3 weeks after planting.

I throwed and mowed more white millet where deer cleaned out my sunflowers. 6 acres worth. Got 1.3" rain today planted Friday. Hope it turns out like my trial patch. But those are tiny seed. They'll work fine like this

It definitely has some limitations, no doubt…..I mean, I dang sure ain’t gonna start farming corn using throw and mow or anything…….but from a wildlife management standpoint…..with most of the seeds that we use…..it has some real practical uses. If you’ve got “mellow” soil and a good coating of thatch…..and you understand timing and how to transition from crop to crop, season to season…..most folks could use these methods to really simplify the process of “food plotting” compared to now. Not only would it be a big time saver…as soil health improves, I think a huge percentage of plotters would see an improvement in the quality of their plots over time due to the degraded state of the soil that so many people are plotting in currently..

No till row planting is by far only way to go on sizable fields and acrerage. But it's not economical for everyone

There's about 89 pages, that I won't even bother to read, over in the management forum.
I still believe in preparing a seed bed, the way its supposed to be done

This isn’t meant as a burn or anything ......but it doesn’t bother me at all at this point if some folks are dead set against it and don’t give it any consideration. That’s just the nature of humans. No matter what the subject, there will only be a fraction of the people who will break with tradition to try a new approach in the beginning. It’s rooted in our brains as survival instinct. We tend to follow the blueprint that the other humans have laid out ahead of us and see it as the safe choice….the right choice….or at least it’s perceived that way at that point in time. How many times in human history has someone been persecuted for introducing a new idea…..only to be vindicated later on??? Apparently it’s just our way of operating and evolving over time.

There’s actually a lot more people switching to this type of method than many of you probably realize. Mark my words…….write ‘em down…..take a picture………I don’t know how long it will take….maybe 5 years…..maybe 25 years……but one day you’ll see the vast majority of food plotters move away from tillage and to some type of no-till method. Farmers are currently in that transition period and we food plotters will eventually follow suite. The big difference will be in the equipment we use compared to farmers. It’ll never be feasible for food plotters to buy $10-$15K drills…..We’ll have to accomplish the same goals through different means.

The cereal rye and lack of tillage this summer has really stopped a lot of weeds coming up, I still have some and some grass which I don't mind one bit because I also have a field full of durana and yucchi clover. It's amazing how quick I can plant a one acre food plot and it look just as good as someone who spends 3-4 hours tilling,sewing seed and dragging. I literally spent 30 minutes spraying, 10 minutes sewing seed. Done on to the next plot. I spray about 3 weeks in advance of planting and the grass lays over in a mat. I sew my seed into the mat and it makes it to the ground, before a rain. I don't even drag over the thatch anymore. Any weeds that don't fall over, don't bother me, or the deer one bit. It's a food plot, not a golf course.

I had phenomenal results with just spraying and then spreading seed a few weeks later. Will save me a lot of time, effort and diesel going forward. It's a deer patch not a beauty contest.

If you’ll wait until early to mid Oct to plant then you can skip the spraying altogether is most situations. The vast majority of summer stuff growing in your plot will be seeded out and on it’s last leg by then. It might not look as clean and pretty at first but you’ll likely never know it by gun season. Once the first frost hits then it’ll knock out any little bit of summer veg in the plot that might still be holding on. That really simplifies the process then…..Just spread the seed and knock down the vegetation over it. I think I’m gonna do like blum and turkey neck and not even bother mowing the vegetation anymore. It's slow and works the tractor when you're dealing with a really thick stand of biomass. I think I’ll just simply drag over the old vegetation enough to at least partially put it on the ground and let some sunlight in.

Man there's a 10 thousand page long thread about this floating around somewheres

Yep. I just hesitate to wait that late. Season here opens Oct 1.

There'll still be standing beans on Oct 1

Yes throw-and-mow works, it's a no-brainer for hard to get to areas/lack of equipment/lack of time/lack of money/small seeds. Cultivation is only necessary every once in a while when the ground is compact. If you want to use your expensive equipment because you have it, then cultivate; otherwise, throw it (seed/lime/fert) and mow/weedeat it (get the clumps out to if mowing). The deer will come.