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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2505541
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All of the above clem..

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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2505544
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The biggest reason when I have an employee leave is pay. I can't compete with the larger companies.. I can pay a journey plumber $18-$22 an hour where the larger companies start them $26-28$ an hour.


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: UncleHuck] #2505546
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Originally Posted by UncleHuck

From my viewpoint, there are too many people who aren't willing to move away to get a better opportunity.

I saw today where one of the railroads is hiring conductors. $46,000 to start, top out at $100,000, and they send you to school. No experience necessary.

It's in Indiana, but nobody says you have to stay there forever. Bet some experience, then move wherever you want to live.


Link? Tell me more. This heat and the humidity on the Gulf Coast is getting to be more than I can stand.


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: mark] #2505571
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Originally Posted by mark
Originally Posted by UncleHuck

From my viewpoint, there are too many people who aren't willing to move away to get a better opportunity.

I saw today where one of the railroads is hiring conductors. $46,000 to start, top out at $100,000, and they send you to school. No experience necessary.

It's in Indiana, but nobody says you have to stay there forever. Bet some experience, then move wherever you want to live.


Link? Tell me more. This heat and the humidity on the Gulf Coast is getting to be more than I can stand.


This isnt the link I saw the other day the RR had out, but its a start. https://www.glassdoor.com/Jobs/BNSF-Railway-Jobs-E18514.htm


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: Clem] #2506316
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Originally Posted by Clem

Legit curious:

What's the age range of these guys y'all are hiring who are quitting and what's the job(s)? And are they white, Hispanic, black? How long do they stay before quitting?

Bigger question: Why do y'all think these guys are quitting?

Not because 'they don't make men anymore' or anything like that. I get all that, but let's go deeper.

Is it the pay? They're legitimately lazy? They signed on but didn't realize exactly what the job was? Did they feed you guys (who are hiring) a line of bullchit about working hard and willing to do anything?




The last couple of new hires we've made, we've been very fortunate. We got good, highly capable, guys who are older than our typical hires. Both the last 2 are in their mid to late 30's. I got so tired of hiring 20somethings that I stopped doing it. I still have 3 20somethings at the shop but when they're gone, there will be no more unless I get desperate. If I've hired 100 20somethings in the past 3 years, I've fired 95 of them. 95 out of that 100 couldn't get to work on time, or laid out on Mondays, or something.... I'm a fairly easy guy to work for, but after about 3 days being late in a row I tell them to hit the bricks. Not 5-10 minutes late. I can handle that. I'm talking about 30 minutes to an hour late, walk in with eyes half swelled shut, got in bed at 4 am after being drunk the night before late.


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506363
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Originally Posted by Clem

Legit curious:

What's the age range of these guys y'all are hiring who are quitting and what's the job(s)? And are they white, Hispanic, black? How long do they stay before quitting?

Bigger question: Why do y'all think these guys are quitting?

Not because 'they don't make men anymore' or anything like that. I get all that, but let's go deeper.

Is it the pay? They're legitimately lazy? They signed on but didn't realize exactly what the job was? Did they feed you guys (who are hiring) a line of bullchit about working hard and willing to do anything?





White and black most of them are just lazy and won't show up. I'm not going to sit here and say I'm perfect but if you tell me to be there at 730 I'm going to be within 5 mins of that may be early may be late. On the flip side of being late I've went in at 7 am everyday this week and I haven't gotten off until after 9pm and it's looking like i may be here till 10 or later tonight. The pay isn't bad and if you show up and do what your supposed to do your pay scale is going to jump up quick. Several times I've had a check between $100-300 in my box just for stepping up when needed. It's hard to even find anyone that gives a shucks no one that's come in the door since I've been here had any want to.


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506433
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I aint worked in 3 weeks due to health issues. The week i got sick, my employer had CAT deliver me a brand new CAT D6 XW bull dozer. Im feeling better now. I called today and said i should be back to work tomorrow. My human resourse department said....just rest and come back monday. We heard you had rather operate a trackhoe so if thats ok with you we will have you a nice trackhoe waiting on you monday. He said you do us good and we want to show our appreciation towards you so enjoy your new trackhoe! I was really surprised.

I work for a large company with over 800 employees. They have been fair with me. They treat me good and appreciate a guy that works good, shows up on time. Works whenever they need it and dont complain to them about others that are hard to work with. We cant keep good help. A laborer comes in and after 2 hours they think they are entitled to learn how to operate equipment. They look at me and ask what does it take to operate. I say come to work on time with a good attitude. Know your place in the work environment and ask questions. If you start at the bottom, give it time and one day you will be an operator when the time is rite. So basically they quit after a week or month. A lot think they should be getting paid more than what they are actually worth. It took me a long time to learn and move up. But i stuck with it and it paid off after years of working at the bottom. Lesson is....dont give up. Keep working hard and eventually, one day someone will notice and promote you.

Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506463
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The best component I've found in my life to making money is staying with one company as long as you can....stacking up raises year-after-year. After ten years, or so, you've gotten ten consecutive raises and likely add a promotion or two. I work in automotive manufacturing. It's a get your foot in the door kind of job. We start a regular line associate at around $9.50 an hour. Not the most, but it's $2.00 more than min. wage. Plenty of ways to work yourself up to $30-$50,000 and even more a year if you have the desire. I get 4 weeks of paid vacation each year AND paid straight through about 20 days of shutdown at 4th of July and Christmas. Dollar-for-dollar match on 401k. Weekends off for the most part. Best health insurance I've ever had.

My goals in life....how can I be a better father and husband, how can I put my daughter through college, how can I pay my home off faster?

The goals of the people we are hiring....what is my next tattoo going to be, I don't have transportation but I have an $800 phone, do I have enough money for beer and cigarettes this weekend?


"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506464
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I had a conversation with one of my employees recently regarding tardiness. He is late to work 3-4 days per week. He lives less than a mile from the shop. He has a truck that seems to have some sort of issue either cranking, or starting every day.

He is scheduled to be at work at 7:30. I asked him what time he got up? He said he sets his clock for 6:55 and hits the snooze twice "since I only live a 3/4 mile away".

I said, you know damn well your truck is going to give you trouble a few days a week, you need to get yourself out of bed about 6:30 and see if it will start. That way if it doesn't, you'll have time to jump it off, use starting fluid, or walk to work!!! He said he just didn't think he could get up that early. I told him fine, the next time you know your going to be late, just go back in the house, change out of your uniform, collect the rest of your uniforms to turn in, and bring them by and drop them off because you will no longer have a job.

He's been on time since but, it's only been a few days.

On the other hand, I have a guy that had his wisdom teeth cut out on Monday that showed up yesterday morning ready to work. I sent him home for another day of recovery.

Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506469
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If you're on time you're late.
People that show up to work right on time, usually take another 15 to 30 minutes getting ready to start work. Anyone who values their job will be there half hour early.

Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: Ben2] #2506579
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Originally Posted by Ben2
Originally Posted by Vernon Tull
I keep hearing about how great the job market is and how under our current leadership in Alabama there are jobs aplenty, yet the two year college system (a world I know much better than other work areas) is downsizing us left and right. 22 full time employees were dismissed last year at our college in a big downsizing, and Bevill State CC is threatening about the same number this year. You can't claim to be a "jobs administration" when you're putting so many folk out of work.


So much information is online anyone can learn it if they want to.


I hear that argument a lot for why teachers and professors need to be fired and colleges shut down, but colleges serve a critical gatekeeping function. Do you want your surgeon, accountant, or attorney to tell you, "I never had the motivation or interest to go to college, but don't worry . . . I looked this procedure up online and I think I have it. I learned all I need to know from Wikipedia." Here at the two-year college we go out of our way to teach students to attend class consistently, be on time, and turn in assignments on time -- all vital skills in the world of private sector work. Any student of mine who fails to show up for class and neglects assignments does not pass. That's a useful real-world lesson that college provides. You don't get that "reading up" on information online.

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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: Out back] #2506592
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Originally Posted by Out back

Aint no way I'd run a weed eater for $12 an hour! smile
That's what roundup is for.


Screw round up, I will do this for $12 hr

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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: Vernon Tull] #2506601
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VERNON TULL? A VERNON TULL SIGHTING?

Where the hell have you been?


And I agree, I don't want a doctor or engineer or builder of CNC machines or vehicles or medical folks saying, "Eh, yeah, let me Google that real quick to check what I learned on the webz."


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: jmudler] #2506647
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Originally Posted by jmudler
Originally Posted by Out back

Aint no way I'd run a weed eater for $12 an hour! smile
That's what roundup is for.


Screw round up, I will do this for $12 hr

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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506657
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We had to fire a kid the other day after only 45 minutes into orientation. He failed his drug test. Graduated with a civil engineering degree, worked his way through school and was stupid enough to smoke a joint the day before he took his drug test.


not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids

Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: Dallas County] #2506662
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Originally Posted by Dallas County
We had to fire a kid the other day after only 45 minutes into orientation. He failed his drug test. Graduated with a civil engineering degree, worked his way through school and was stupid enough to smoke a joint the day before he took his drug test.

That was just cruel. Y'all shouldn't persecute youngsters that way.

Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: Ben2] #2506663
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Originally Posted by Ben2

Not with a bomb strapped on my back

Unless your wife decides to shoot the tank, it's perfectly safe.

Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: Dallas County] #2506673
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Originally Posted by Dallas County
We had to fire a kid the other day after only 45 minutes into orientation. He failed his drug test. Graduated with a civil engineering degree, worked his way through school and was stupid enough to smoke a joint the day before he took his drug test.


Wow, what an idot


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506679
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my brother Craig has a lot of trouble hiring operators because they fail drug tests.


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Re: More jobs available than people out of work [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2506691
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We hire folks at the pulp mill I work at all the time,about 1 in 5 don't make it,we start out at $16/hr and within a couple of months they go to $22/hr,if they half ass try and get into the right departments they can be making $80-$120k in a few years,top operator jobs are $35-$38/hr with all the overtime you can stand,some of these folks come from pretty shitty jobs and step into a good one and just do not apply themselves at all or lay out of work,it's like they don't want to better themselves and could care less if they get fired,there's just no kind of work ethic for these younger guys now days

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