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Marijuana Regulation #2486558
05/18/18 06:58 PM
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The legal producers in Oregon have a staggering amount of bud on hand. I believe this is one of the only things the government can’t efficiently regulate and tax. Unlike tobacco, it can be grown at any latitude to produce a significant amount for the grower. It takes less space and attention to produce, and people pay more money by volume to buy it versus alcohol or tobacco.



US Attorney: Oregon has major pot overproduction

By GILLIAN FLACCUS


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The black market for marijuana is thriving in Oregon and an oversupply of weed from growers is flowing to more than two dozen states where pot remains illegal, a top federal law enforcement official said Friday.

U.S. Attorney Billy Williams said the state has a "significant overproduction" problem and that he would prioritize enforcement of overproduction, interstate trafficking, organized crime and cases involving underage marijuana use and environmental damage from illicit pot farms.

The comments, which echoed those he made earlier this year, were included in a memo that outlines his plans for enforcing federal drug laws in a state with legalized marijuana. Williams is the first U.S. attorney to issue such guidance after Attorney General Jeff Sessions rescinded the Obama administration's guidance on pot-friendly states in January.

"As the primary law enforcement official in Oregon, I will not make broad proclamations of blanket immunity from prosecution to those who violate federal law," he wrote.

Sessions asked federal prosecutors to determine marijuana policies for their districts, prompting Williams to convene a summit in Portland earlier this year to discuss the state's oversupply problem. At the time, Williams also penned an editorial that described a glut of marijuana making its way out of the state illegally and called for action by local and state leaders.

Those in the marijuana industry reacted with cautious optimism to the memo and said it didn't seem to change federal marijuana policy in Oregon.

"I think that's already what law enforcement was focusing on and we need to crack down on the illegal grows out there, which is not good for the legal market either," said Brent Kenyon, who runs a consulting business that helps entrepreneurs set up pot businesses.

"I applaud him for not wasting any taxpayer dollars on trying to mess with the legal system as it's set up."

The state currently has nearly 1 million pounds (453,592 kilograms) of marijuana flower in inventory, a staggering amount for a state with a population of 4.1 million people. That doesn't include 350,000 pounds (158,757 kilograms) of marijuana edibles, tinctures and concentrates.

The retail price for a gram of pot has fallen about 50 percent since 2015, from $14 to $7, according to a report by the Oregon Office of Economic Analysis. Legal growers and retailers alike have felt the sting.

The true amount of marijuana leaving the state is hard to pin down, said Beau Whitney, a senior economist at New Frontier Data, a national cannabis analytics firm.

The state has 21 million square feet (195 hectares) of legal marijuana growing and a $1 billion market statewide, he said. Of that, about one-third — or about $300 million — is diverted to the illegal market within the state, but it is not clear how much is leaving Oregon, he added.

The amount being grown legally is "more than enough to handle all of the demand in Oregon and so to me, it's no wonder that there's excess supply in the space. What people choose to do with it, it's tough to estimate," Whitney said.

"They're saying, 'If you're exporting, then we're going to come down on you."

To that end, Williams said Oregon needs to do a better job at gathering data about the marijuana industry and devote more resources to enforcement and oversight. Federal prosecutors have finite resources in Oregon, he wrote, and they will "strategically consider" which cases to pursue, in some cases favoring asset forfeiture and other civil punishments over criminal prosecutions.

Entrepreneurs who have successfully navigated the oversupplied market said they hoped Williams' approach wouldn't jeopardize their state-legal businesses. William Simpson, founder of Chalice, will soon open his seventh retail store in Oregon and is hoping to expand into California, Nevada and Canada.

"I'm fearful with this oversupply it basically puts a lot of people in a desperate situation ... and it forces them to do illegal things. What that's going to do is bring a microscope by the federal government over the state of Oregon," he said.

"It can put the whole thing in danger. I think we're past that point, but we definitely don't want to give them a reason to rethink that."

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486564
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I wish I could buy 10lbs, vacuum seal it and keep it in the freezer till I retire.


I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.




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Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486565
05/18/18 07:10 PM
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Too much Jazz cabbage, quite the problem.

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: AU7MM08] #2486567
05/18/18 07:13 PM
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I be glad when they do away with that chit.....I'm tired of hearing about it.... slap


Did you know that Beer Nutz are over a Dollar...and Deer Nutz are under a Buck...


Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: Wiley Coyote] #2486568
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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
I wish I could buy 10lbs, vacuum seal it and keep it in the freezer till I retire.
I got a rotary tiller if your serious.... smile


Did you know that Beer Nutz are over a Dollar...and Deer Nutz are under a Buck...


Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: DeerNutz0U812_] #2486569
05/18/18 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeerNutz0U812_
Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
I wish I could buy 10lbs, vacuum seal it and keep it in the freezer till I retire.
I got a rotary tiller if your serious.... smile


I'm serious but current law enforcement is more serious.


I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.




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Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486571
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that started right after Cali legalized. the dispensaries dont grow alot of what they sell they buy alot from licensed grower and there is no over sight on how much they grow they can grow 10 lbs and sell five to the dispensary for market then sell the other 5 in another state for a huge mark up. some of that stuff is 20-25 dollars a gram an ounce is 28 grams imagine the profit. i got a buddy that moved to california to grow i though he was being a dumbass now he suplies a couple dispensaries and even has his own strain.

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Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486596
05/18/18 08:02 PM
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Can you eplain that to me. I've got smoke in my eyes


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Higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: Wiley Coyote] #2486611
05/18/18 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
I wish I could buy 10lbs, vacuum seal it and keep it in the freezer till I retire.



Me and you both!


Life is a journey. Make sure and bring plenty of Beer.

My luck has been so bad lately, it could be raining pussies and I'd catch one with a dick broke off in it.
Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486621
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Talked Wednesday morning with an older guy from Colorado who said he's Libertarian and voted for legalization there. Said he didn't think it was a big deal and wouldn't be too bad of a problem.

Now he said he'd vote "No" instead after seeing a staggering increase in the amount of traffic accidents, influx of homeless and "Yo, let's go smoke weed in Colorado dude!" nonresidents, and other problems. Said parts of Denver are rife with growing issues similar to San Francisco but on a smaller scale.


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Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: Wiley Coyote] #2486636
05/18/18 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
I wish I could buy 10lbs, vacuum seal it and keep it in the freezer till I retire.


Or Tuesday, whichever came first.


Sig Sauer, to hell and back reliable.

Whatever suits you just tickles me plum to death.

Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: mark] #2486640
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Have ya'll ever just looked up......and fell over..... rofl that's when you know it's time to go to bed slap

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Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486659
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I wish the crap was illegal here in Oregon!!! Half the people growing around here are flat out crooks.

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: Clem] #2486664
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[quote=Clem]Talked Wednesday morning with an older guy from Colorado who said he's Libertarian and voted for legalization there. Said he didn't think it was a big deal and wouldn't be too bad of a problem.

Now he said he'd vote "No" instead after seeing a staggering increase in the amount of traffic accidents, influx of homeless and "Yo, let's go smoke weed in Colorado dude!" nonresidents, and other problems. Said parts of Denver are rife with growing issues similar to San Francisco but on a smaller scale.

Heard the same thing from another guy I had met. Said he was thinking of moving

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486670
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What are examples of environmental problems caused by growers?

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: DeerNutz0U812_] #2486675
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Originally Posted by DeerNutz0U812_
Have ya'll ever just looked up......and fell over..... rofl


Maybe once or twice, but never have smoked Mary Jane. Yet....


Sig Sauer, to hell and back reliable.

Whatever suits you just tickles me plum to death.

Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: Wiley Coyote] #2486693
05/18/18 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
I wish I could buy 10lbs, vacuum seal it and keep it in the freezer till I retire.

Just come see me when you retire.


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Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486709
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Funniest thing here and in Washington was watching fools light up on the news when it was first legalized only to see later reports on how they got fired from their jobs. Dumbasses obviously forgot about their employers no drug policies, lol

Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: whack-n-stack] #2486766
05/19/18 12:37 AM
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@ $7 per gram that’s nearly $200 an ounce and they are crying about it having dropped from double that. Somebody’s getting rich! How do stoners afford it?


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Re: Marijuana Regulation [Re: CatHeadBiscuit] #2486768
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Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
@ $7 per gram that’s nearly $200 an ounce and they are crying about it having dropped from double that. Somebody’s getting rich! How do stoners afford it?


Same way drinkers do. You can buy a decent size bag of weed for the price of a bottle of good scotch. Drug of choice I guess.

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