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Good burn weather #2473943
04/30/18 09:33 PM
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The last few days have been great for burning. We didn’t have a lot to choose from in February or even March. Got some burning done then, but I feel like these growing season burns are really helping accomplish what we are trying to do by controlling woody competition, especially these hardwoods and privet in the understory. I’d say I took care of them for at least a growing season.

Disclaimer:I can not guarantee a turkey nest was not harmed in the implementation of said fires.

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Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2474066
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I saw the national forest had a lot of controlled burns this weekend.


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Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2474227
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Mixed emotions on this one. Understand the benefits of fire and realize there hasn't been a lot of burn days this year. But in some areas, turkey numbers are down so much losing any nesting opportunity is a major loss.

This raises a question, could the same benefits to the land be achieved by postponing the burn to late fall ?


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Re: Good burn weather [Re: k bush] #2474412
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Originally Posted by k bush
This raises a question, could the same benefits to the land be achieved by postponing the burn to late fall ?



Yes and no, if the purpose of the burn is to the reduce fuel load then yes a dormant season understory burn would be fine. As for knocking back any woody competition it’s best to do an early growing season burn or a mid growing season burn. Yes this understory season sucked, but I did manage to get just about all of my clients that were worried about turkey nest taken care of by the first of April. I had a couple that did call it off because worried about nesting season, I don’t blame them, If it was my land I would to, I’ll wait till they are comfortable about it and finish up their burning i a couple of weeks.

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Looking good Mbrock, that’s definitely doing some good there!

Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2474908
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What purpose / end story? Is this all to do with the love of the longleaf. When I conducted Environmental Site Assessments across the delta for ALDCNR there were many structures that would have been great camps for hunting or staying overnight for camping. To my knowledge the structures along the Tensaw (predominately) were torn down and removed because they were not FOREVER WILD.

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Originally Posted by jallencrockett
What purpose / end story? Is this all to do with the love of the longleaf. When I conducted Environmental Site Assessments across the delta for ALDCNR there were many structures that would have been great camps for hunting or staying overnight for camping. To my knowledge the structures along the Tensaw (predominately) were torn down and removed because they were not FOREVER WILD.

I'm not a forestry expert, but burning loblolly pines will allow for more nutritious forbs to grow and benefit all wildlife in the long run. The only downside to burning this late is potential loss of turkey nesting sites as was said above. It releases stored nutrients in the soil which also benefits the pine trees and reduces competition for the nutrients by suppressing undesirable hardwoods like sweetgums.

I wish the landowners we lease our club land from would burn.


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Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2475253
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Jallencrocket, the end game, long term, is to restore native grass and forb plant communities to these stands. They are not public land. This is private ground of mine and a friend. There is no shortage of turkeys here, and the benefits of providing quality brood rearing cover far outweigh the loss of a nest or two.

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Also, it’s a loblolly stand. No longleaf.

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Cool Matt.. I was just wondering. Beautiful mature hardwoods and managed forest with native grasses are my two favorite habitats in bama.

Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2475336
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Hey Dummy, don't let those little metal boxes on the side of the road get too hot...

Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2475354
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Jallencrocket, the end game, long term, is to restore native grass and forb plant communities to these stands. They are not public land. This is private ground of mine and a friend. There is no shortage of turkeys here, and the benefits of providing quality brood rearing cover far outweigh the loss of a nest or two.


It will soon be devoid of too many turkeys you keep burning them up like that. slap


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Originally Posted by NightHunter
Hey Dummy, don't let those little metal boxes on the side of the road get too hot...



Well dummy, there’s a dozer line around it.

Re: Good burn weather [Re: 257wbymag] #2475387
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Jallencrocket, the end game, long term, is to restore native grass and forb plant communities to these stands. They are not public land. This is private ground of mine and a friend. There is no shortage of turkeys here, and the benefits of providing quality brood rearing cover far outweigh the loss of a nest or two.


It will soon be devoid of too many turkeys you keep burning them up like that. slap


I was going to spread chicken litter through the woods when it starts greening up and turn loose a few coons to eat chicken snakes. That not a good plan?

Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2475390
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I'd say that's as sound of an IPM program as you can have to assure a silent spring next year.


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Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2475561
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My favorite time of year to burn except for all the idots that think you can’t burn after March.


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Re: Good burn weather [Re: Mbrock] #2475574
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No way I'm letting a torch near my stuff after April 1.


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Re: Good burn weather [Re: 257wbymag] #2475584
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
No way I'm letting a torch near my stuff after April 1.

For damn sure. I know it’s good for turkeys but I'm not taking any chance on burning up a turkey nest.


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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
No way I'm letting a torch near my stuff after April 1.


Yeah it’s a terrible idea. Gotta watch folks who’d burn right now.

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All these burn happy "consultants" goin round burnin the woods up. No no. Ain't happening


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