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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: ALABAMABUCKBASHER] #2432871
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Originally Posted by ALABAMABUCKBASHER
CNC, you probably just made way too much sense. I think you may have just dropped the mic on this thread!


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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: jhardy] #2432940
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Originally Posted by jhardy
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Night hunting with spot lights is next right? Hmm??


I am sure you kill them with spears and a loin cloth. Get off your high horse about feeding. It doesn't have to affect you if you don't want it to. Hunt how you want. Quit trying to force your way on everyone else. Making feed legal doesn't force anything on you.

Maybe this will actually free up the boots on the ground to do other enforcement, like night hunting.


So now we know where YOU say the line should be drawn regarding methods that should not be legal for a recreational activity! The difference between me and you is the State says baiting is not a legal method to hunt deer or turkey, I have no problem with that. You evidently do
and want to State to change it to a method you want to use but not to another method that you don't want others to use? I believe that sums it up, correct?

What is the connection between baiting and wearing loin cloths and throwing spears??


"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2432975
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I draw the line wherever the state law says in whichever state I am hunting or fishing. I respect all the laws, even those I disagree with. Less is better in my opinion when trying to regulate what someone else is doing as long as it doesn't affect others. If Chuck Sykes himself wants to light up his entire property and shoot them I could really care less if it's legal. That's the difference between you and I. You want to regulate everyone else based on your thoughts. I would love less regulation for all.

I know I know it would all be better if we would just all bow down and let Chuck regulate us more. That has worked well for the deer population, hunter satisfaction, youth recruitment, etc. loco

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: Fun4all] #2432984
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Originally Posted by Fun4all
Originally Posted by jhardy
Originally Posted by Fun4all
Night hunting with spot lights is next right? Hmm??


I am sure you kill them with spears and a loin cloth. Get off your high horse about feeding. It doesn't have to affect you if you don't want it to. Hunt how you want. Quit trying to force your way on everyone else. Making feed legal doesn't force anything on you.

Maybe this will actually free up the boots on the ground to do other enforcement, like night hunting.


So now we know where YOU say the line should be drawn regarding methods that should not be legal for a recreational activity! The difference between me and you is the State says baiting is not a legal method to hunt deer or turkey, I have no problem with that. You evidently do
and want to State to change it to a method you want to use but not to another method that you don't want others to use? I believe that sums it up, correct?

What is the connection between baiting and wearing loin cloths and throwing spears??


Get off your high horse about feeding. It doesn't have to affect you if you don't want it to. Hunt how you want. Quit trying to force your way on everyone else. Making feed legal doesn't force anything on you.

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2432996
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Why is it that someone who supports less regulation is accused of wanting to do whatever the argument is? I haven't shot a deer over corn. Plant spring and summer each year. Still think less regulation is better.

Shot a bunch of dove over many a non baited field. Still think the regulations are over the top.

Don't dog hunt. Think hunters should have every right to do it the entire rifle season in every county.

Bow hunt during rifle season. Think rifle hunters are great. See I didn't need more bow season. Less regulation still allows me to bow hunt.

More and more regulations will ultimately be detrimental to managing people's opinions about hunting.

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: Groundhawg] #2433019
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Originally Posted by Groundhawg
Originally Posted by Fun4all
Originally Posted by jhardy
Originally Posted by Fun4all
Night hunting with spot lights is next right? Hmm??


I am sure you kill them with spears and a loin cloth. Get off your high horse about feeding. It doesn't have to affect you if you don't want it to. Hunt how you want. Quit trying to force your way on everyone else. Making feed legal doesn't force anything on you.

Maybe this will actually free up the boots on the ground to do other enforcement, like night hunting.


So now we know where YOU say the line should be drawn regarding methods that should not be legal for a recreational activity! The difference between me and you is the State says baiting is not a legal method to hunt deer or turkey, I have no problem with that. You evidently do
and want to State to change it to a method you want to use but not to another method that you don't want others to use? I believe that sums it up, correct?

What is the connection between baiting and wearing loin cloths and throwing spears??


Get off your high horse about feeding. It doesn't have to affect you if you don't want it to. Hunt how you want. Quit trying to force your way on everyone else. Making feed legal doesn't force anything on you.


I like the way you change baiting to "feeding" that sounds better doesn't it! Maybe ought to take your angst out on the State and all other governmental entities, they are the ones forcing their ways on everyone else. GameCheck comes to mind, 3 bucks in a year, 5 turkeys in a year, ad infinitum on restrictions for recreational activities. Or, is that okay because you don't think anybody should kill more than 3 bucks in a year, 5 turkeys in a year, catch more than 30 crappie per day, or keep crappie under 9" or 10" etc.? The list goes on regarding how the government forces their way. Should restrictions be placed on what caliber and type of gun you can hunt certain species with and when? Should seasons be placed on when you can hunt certain species?

How does not baiting hurt your hunt or my hunt or anyones hunting?

Serious question where do you think the line should be drawn between legal and not legal in this recreational activity called hunting?


"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: Clem] #2433036
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Originally Posted by Clem

Solid post, CNC.


Native Americans used fire, herded buffalo over cliffs and did what they needed to do. But they're hailed as slinky purists we're supposed to aspire to be.

Fred Bear is touted as the end-all beat-all bowhunting god guru father of bowhunting. He used bait. Didn't hide it.

Cowboys used the .45-70 and .30-30 for hunting but today those aren't enough caliber!

Crossbows? Waaaaahhhh! The drama llamas come out in herds.


The entire purist "you're not a real hunter" stuff is just egotistical bullshittery at its finest, just like fly fishing snobs who think someone with a strike indicator is some kind of horrid gump who doesn't know how to properly drift a No. 20 along a seam.


Nice appendix too, Clem.


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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2433043
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The entire purist "you're not a real hunter" stuff is just egotistical bullshittery at its finest, just like fly fishing snobs who think someone with a strike indicator is some kind of horrid gump who doesn't know how to properly drift a No. 20 along a seam.


Preach.

It's especially galling coming from folks that do basically the exact same thing but just with a different type of bait. I'm still waiting for a clear concise explanation of how someone is a lazy slob hunter if they would sit in a tree stand overlooking a feeder if legalized but are not a lazy slob hunter for sitting in a shooting house overlooking a green field or a standing corn field. Of course I know why I haven't gotten an explanation on that point. Because it can be explained. It's the exact same activity. One doesn't require anymore skill, effort, or knowledge than the other.


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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2433044
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I am sure you kill them with spears and a loin cloth.


LOL! I know right. If these guys are so concerned about what makes hunting easier then I guess they better quit using a scoped rifle. Because that makes deer hunting waaaaay easier than a corn feeder. LOL!


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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2433090
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Not to mention these same "purist" probly have a trail cam on every tree too.


Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2433099
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This purist wants to know when they are gonna vote on this thing again!?!?

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Do you think that with the amount of corn out, it can change the flavor of deer? Like feeding out cattle?

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Any update on where this is in the Legislature?


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I don't care if it's legalized or not. But, I do have a couple of observations...

Calling it "feeding" or "supplemental feeding" vs calling it "baiting" is silly. Feeding/supplemental feeding is 100% legal right now. You can put whatever you want in your feeder right now to help your deer herd, and you can have as many feeders on your property with whatever magical concoction you choose to put in them as you desire to have. There are exactly zero laws against having feeders on your property now...they simply have to be 100+ yards and out of sight from where you're hunting. If you desire to call hunting over food plots "baiting" too, have at it. But, to have the stance that you're not able to provide your deer what you feel they need, then that's simply a falsehood...and not a valid argument for legalizing baiting.

I see several stating "less laws/regulations" as their stance on wanting baiting legalized. I see some of those same people wanting the state to limit the doe harvest statewide. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me. If the state legalizes baiting but doesn't limit the doe harvest, how do you feel that will affect the state's deer herd? Not all "brown it's down" hunters are outlaws. But, they WILL use every legal means to continue with their "brown it's down" quest. No one talks about that gorilla in the room.

The EXTREME argument of the "against baiting" crowd saying that those "for baiting" obviously need a pile of corn to kill a deer is just stupid. The EXTREME counter-argument of the "for baiting" crowd that those "against baiting" should be running around in a loincloth with a spear is equally stupid. Just stop...both sides.

Like I said...I don't care either way. In proof-reading my post, it may appear as if I'm against it, but I'm really not. I just don't see any validity in the "I'm not allowed to feed my deer" argument, nor do I feel that it's ok to use "less laws" as an argument FOR baiting, but also be in favor of limiting doe harvest. You either feel that folks should be able to do what they want on their own property, or you don't. If you don't want to shoot does on your property, then don't. That's how you CHOOSE to manage your property...and how your neighbor CHOOSES to manage his property should be of no concern to you. Quite honestly, I don't mind a brown it's down neighbor. Deer don't seem to hang around there very often, and they see my place as a nice, unpressured spot to hang out.


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Nice post Hunterbuck thumbup

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: lefthorn] #2433356
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
Do you think that with the amount of corn out, it can change the flavor of deer? Like feeding out cattle?


More marbling. Could get our venison to USDA "Prime"...

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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by lefthorn
Do you think that with the amount of corn out, it can change the flavor of deer? Like feeding out cattle?


More marbling. Could get our venison to USDA "Prime"...



Heck yeah! 2 votes yes for me!!

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Hey now...The Rob like hunting wear his loin cloth. But only during warm weather. Cold weather and loin cloth makes The Rob's hands look big. shocked

As far as know, the proposed law does not require anyone to hunt over corn. So, it won't effect me either way. But I do enjoy reading y'alls "debate" about it so carry on.

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Originally Posted by hunterbuck
I don't care if it's legalized or not. But, I do have a couple of observations...

Calling it "feeding" or "supplemental feeding" vs calling it "baiting" is silly. Feeding/supplemental feeding is 100% legal right now. You can put whatever you want in your feeder right now to help your deer herd, and you can have as many feeders on your property with whatever magical concoction you choose to put in them as you desire to have. There are exactly zero laws against having feeders on your property now...they simply have to be 100+ yards and out of sight from where you're hunting. If you desire to call hunting over food plots "baiting" too, have at it. But, to have the stance that you're not able to provide your deer what you feel they need, then that's simply a falsehood...and not a valid argument for legalizing baiting.

I see several stating "less laws/regulations" as their stance on wanting baiting legalized. I see some of those same people wanting the state to limit the doe harvest statewide. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me. If the state legalizes baiting but doesn't limit the doe harvest, how do you feel that will affect the state's deer herd? Not all "brown it's down" hunters are outlaws. But, they WILL use every legal means to continue with their "brown it's down" quest. No one talks about that gorilla in the room.

The EXTREME argument of the "against baiting" crowd saying that those "for baiting" obviously need a pile of corn to kill a deer is just stupid. The EXTREME counter-argument of the "for baiting" crowd that those "against baiting" should be running around in a loincloth with a spear is equally stupid. Just stop...both sides.

Like I said...I don't care either way. In proof-reading my post, it may appear as if I'm against it, but I'm really not. I just don't see any validity in the "I'm not allowed to feed my deer" argument, nor do I feel that it's ok to use "less laws" as an argument FOR baiting, but also be in favor of limiting doe harvest. You either feel that folks should be able to do what they want on their own property, or you don't. If you don't want to shoot does on your property, then don't. That's how you CHOOSE to manage your property...and how your neighbor CHOOSES to manage his property should be of no concern to you. Quite honestly, I don't mind a brown it's down neighbor. Deer don't seem to hang around there very often, and they see my place as a nice, unpressured spot to hang out.


I agree with most of this, but like we've covered ad nauseum, if you put out something, say corn, with intentions of drawing game in to kill it, that is baiting and is still illegal. No matter the distance or sight line. Supplemental feeding means you are not hunting over it .


Excuse the sanctimony.
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