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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Clem] #2417672
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Originally Posted by Clem

OK, so here's a point about what's going on in Mississippi and their wildlife department:

foldemup has a friend who has a place there, says GW-MDWFP vehicles everywhere, shooting deer from roads. People start contacting friends with questions and suppositions - "They're trying to kill all the deer!" ... "What are they doing, they're shooting deer everywhere!" ... "My lease is going to suck because The State is killing all the deer!"

Perhaps MDFWP informed the public. Pehaps not. I haven't seen any press releases or public announcements.

BUT - this is where the Department or any state deparment HAS to get in front of this with public notification, explanations of why they're doing it and for what reasons - sampling for testing - and probably having somone from the department available on the ground to talk with folks.

That's being proactive and showing good PR to explain why, instead of having to be reactive to try to squelch rumors, misinformation, angry calls and emails, and the "I heard they ..." stories that always make the rounds.

Having a plan of action for CWD (or any crisis) should always involve informative public relations with as many answers as possible. Those PR people should be in-house and involved with the planning, discussions, asking hard questions and pushing back against anyone saying "we don't need to discuss that" or "No one would ask that." Sorry, but you plan for all contingencies and hope for the fewest. When a department (in any state) doesn't see it as a big necessity, funding or personnel is cut, there's an attitude of "We'll tell them what they need to know when we decide they need to know it" or perhaps all of that happens, it can be disastrous.

Being proactive and transparent is best. MDFWP has been good with this so far (as was Arkansas, and our own DCNR has been, too), but if they didn't tell folks about this sampling deal then that wasn't smart.



Clem, Miss has done a fantastic job keeping the public informed and have been in front of this since day one. Everyone in that area is very informed on what they are doing. If you’ll read this thread the prson in MS who saw this happening knew what they were doing. It was someone in AL on this thread not in the know that made the statement about them killing all the deer.

Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Chuck_in_IT] #2417675
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I agree that MDFWP has done a great job. You guys have, too, with "adjacent state" info.

If they let folks in the CWD zone know they were going to do sampling like this - and maybe they did - that's great. If they didn't, bad on them. It's impossible to tell every person, of course. Just part of having to do as much as possible to get the word out everywhere they can - TV, radio, web, print, Harry's Cafe, outdoors stores, feed stores, wherever, and having a comprehensive plan that includes public relations.


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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Chuck_in_IT] #2417678
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They’ve held press releases, FB, Twitter, website, local newspapers, news channels, and held a public meeting to address the public. The area they are shooting for collection has a high percentage of property in DMP covering tens of thousands of acres, bordered by a lot of public land. Where they are shooting the people are very informed.

Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Chuck_in_IT] #2417695
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Good to hear. Proactivity is the best option.


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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Chuck_in_IT] #2417759
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I didn’t realize when I made my post yesterday that the information I got was part of a group text of 3 of my buddies back home. I wasn’t paying attention who was sending each text, because I assumed they were mostly from the guy that took a video of the wardens riding the roads. He said he saw at least 20 trucks. Could be an exaggeration. All 3 of my buddies knew that they were studying the area and knew about the informational meeting MBrock spoke of and that they had a response plan on the website. One of them is friends with guys that hunt the land they are focusing on and they were notified about it. I actually just found out that I know the guy who found that deer with cwd. Went to high school with him. You can see here and go to response plan page 6 starts talking about sampling plans.
https://www.mdwfp.com/wildlife-hunting/chronic-wasting-disease/

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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Chuck_in_IT] #2417814
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Glad they're being proactive.


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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Chuck_in_IT] #2417969
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Shooting just 60 deer in a 25 mile radius area won't hurt the population, that is a LOT of acres.

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It’s my understanding they will be shooting 60 in the containment zone, which is a 5 mile radius from the infected deer’s location.

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Originally Posted by Mbrock
It’s my understanding they will be shooting 60 in the containment zone, which is a 5 mile radius from the infected deer’s location.


This.....I wrongly stated 25 mile radius because that is what I was told. 25 mile is the buffer zone and the samples were taken in the containment zone of 5 mile radius.


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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Mbrock] #2417986
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
It’s my understanding they will be shooting 60 in the containment zone, which is a 5 mile radius from the infected deer’s location.


This.....I wrongly stated 25 mile radius because that is what I was told. 25 mile is the buffer zone and the samples were taken in the containment zone of 5 mile radius.


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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Chuck_in_IT] #2418025
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Are they shooting any 60 deer or just ones they think have it?


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Random sampling in the containment zone. Due to the long incubation before clinical symptoms become present there very well could be seemingly healthy deer infected with the prions.

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If they find one infected with the prions, then what? What do you think their next step will be? It's my understanding that there hasn't been a cure found, correct?


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The point of sampling is to try and determine where the infected deer are. How widespread is it? What percentage of the population is it infecting? If they can narrow down a specific area there are steps they can take to discourage the movement of deer from those infected areas to other populations. They are not going to eliminate it, and that's not the purpose of testing.

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Well, good luck to them. I hope they find or don't find what they're looking for. Until something is found that kills the prions, it seems like an uphill battle.


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A 5 mile radius would be 50,265 acres, so it is still a very large area to just take 60 deer for samples out of.

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I thought the same, timber, but perhaps that's a statistical sample or possibly a money situation until they get more. Testing isn't free.


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Re: CWD found in West Central Mississippi [Re: Clem] #2418416
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Originally Posted by Clem
I thought the same, timber, but perhaps that's a statistical sample or possibly a money situation until they get more. Testing isn't free.



I would imagine just a statistical sample they chose. My buddy was told that Wisconsin killed 900 in their sampling, so MS was originally going to kill 300, but they decided to do 60 and go from there. I don’t know how long a test takes, but they could easily shoot 60 in a weekend up there if they did it at night. They can shoot 60 more next weekend if they need to and 60 more the next several weeks.


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Question, if CWD can not be cured, and there is no known way to stop it, does it always remain in the State or point of origin ? I guess what I am wondering is, several years back CWD supposedly devastated the deer herd in Kansas, Iowa and several other Midwestern states, is CWD still there ? How does the herd come back? What is done to contain it?

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Originally Posted by hunter84
Question, if CWD can not be cured, and there is no known way to stop it, does it always remain in the State or point of origin ? I guess what I am wondering is, several years back CWD supposedly devastated the deer herd in Kansas, Iowa and several other Midwestern states, is CWD still there ? How does the herd come back? What is done to contain it?


You are confusing CWD with EHD. EHD is a virus carried by biting flies called midges. It did hammer KS and a few other states a few years ago, resulting in 80% population loss in some local areas. TN, KY and OH were three states hit relatively hard this past summer.

CWD is a mutated protein called a prion, and once in the environment we have no idea how long it can stay active, other than a long time. It has never caused huge outbreaks resulting in drastic populations losses over short periods of time like EHD. It does however, lead to gradual population declines in some areas, and has had a huge impact on hunting participation in some areas. It is 100% fatal, every time. The gestation is 16-30 months, so even infected deer don’t show clinical symptoms until they start to waste away from starvation or secondary causes like pneumonia.

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