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Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: ronfromramer] #2411811
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I can't wait until my plots start pulling in big mule deer like the one in that picture


That must be the bonus buck that the State was talking about on the WMAs. Lol


83% of all statistics are made up.

Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: Hogwild] #2411812
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Originally Posted by Hogwild
There is absolutely NO way that the average AL food plot can provide higher quality food as consistently and efficiently as a gravity feeder.

So, drop the semantics.



No one said anything about average. Deer will walk past your feeder to feed on quality browse. You keep pouring your habitat out of a bag. Healthy wildlife are just one of the many benefits to maintaining quality habitat. I’m sure Dan Moultrie loves your type

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Originally Posted by Hogwild
There is absolutely NO way that the average AL food plot can provide higher quality food as consistently and efficiently as a gravity feeder.

So, drop the semantics.



How many people are currently or will in the future put anything other than corn it them, though?

*Potentially*, you are 100% correct. But, in reality, 99% of people will just fill them with corn.


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Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: Tracker] #2411829
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I think you are incorrect with your 99%.

But, I can only speak for myself!

And, Mr. Holier than Thou.....you kinda killed the whole anti-baitiing theme with your ‘deer will walk past your feeder to get to my foodplot’ post. LOL

BTW, it is a good thing I do both, huh? smile

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Key word is “your” feeder. My feed is still on a stem. Legal. Keep pouring it out.

I know I’ll never convince someone with 12000 + post of anything. I’m still trying to figure out how in the world it is possible for anyone to post over 10,000 on a deer forum. I get here a few times a year while my wife hauls me on vacation and have managed 470 post in 5 years. Maybe if I were to follow the wisdom, I too would be a follower of Dan Moultrie

Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: Tracker] #2411859
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You do not follow much at all......

Dan Moultrie sold his company several years back. LOL

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Guess I need to stay tuned in more. Honestly I don’t give a rip about feeders or baiting. My personal feeling is that you can attract more deer with fertilizer than you can corn, and stay legal. I do not view that as “baiting”

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And, as per the definition of AREA, as per DCNR.....you can plant, fertilize AND supplemental feed.

Everybody loves to use the strawman argument of 'pouring a bag of corn in a pile on the ground' in attempt to discredit the value of Supplemental Feeding based on their own personal morals.

Just quit.....geez....

Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: Tracker] #2412115
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Green patches and feeders are the same thing, Bait! They are a food source artificially placed in a specific location by man in order to attract a game animal for the purpose of hunting it. It requires no more skill or effort to sit in shooting house over a green field than it does to sit in one facing a corn feeder. All the people trying to claim differently are deluding themselves just to feel superior. I guess their fragile ego's can't handle can't handle being no better than "GASP" a corn hunter. LOL!

They talk about nutritional value. Well first deer also need carbs, especially in the colder months, which corn has plenty of. Second, you can sling more than just corn from a feeder. They make some excellent products you can put in a feeder. But, But, But, most people will just use corn. Yeah well I got another news flash for you Skippy. Most people who plant green patches aren't planting sun hemp, joint vetch, or some 100 dollar a bag Biologic seed blend either. The VAST majority of green patches planted in Alabama are oats, rye grass, winter wheat, or some combination of the three. They provide browse for about 2 or 3 months tops. All of the people I know that use feeders to supplemental feed do it year round.

As for the lazy claim? We plant patches and use feeders to sling both corn and pellets. The patches are far easier to maintain than a bunch of feeders running year round.

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Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: Todd1700] #2412116
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Everybody loves to use the strawman argument of 'pouring a bag of corn in a pile on the ground' in attempt to discredit the value of Supplemental Feeding based on their own personal morals.

Just quit.....geez....


I know. I get so sick of hearing that s##t too. Anyone I see parroting that crap instantly loses any respect I could have ever had for their opinion.


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Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: Tracker] #2412150
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Some of these guys think we don't legally know the difference between baiting and not. We know the difference, we just think it's stupid. As I said earlier. Anything, and I mean anything you do to your property to encourage wildlife to use it, falls under baiting them in to me. Some people are elitists. Some guys think unless you kill a deer with traditional archery, your not a REAL hunter. Some people don't gun hunt and think that people who do, are not REAL hunters. Just like some people believe that when they clear an area and put in a food plot, lime it ,fertilize it, plant it, and then hunt it or hunt the trails leading to it, are not baiting. OH no, we're providing a year round food source. Yes, you are, but your also baiting. Not by the definition of the law, but your still baiting. How much money you've invested in the food plot, doesn't change a damn thing.

Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: blumsden] #2412166
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Originally Posted by blumsden
Some of these guys think we don't legally know the difference between baiting and not. We know the difference, we just think it's stupid. As I said earlier. Anything, and I mean anything you do to your property to encourage wildlife to use it, falls under baiting them in to me. Some people are elitists. Some guys think unless you kill a deer with traditional archery, your not a REAL hunter. Some people don't gun hunt and think that people who do, are not REAL hunters. Just like some people believe that when they clear an area and put in a food plot, lime it ,fertilize it, plant it, and then hunt it or hunt the trails leading to it, are not baiting. OH no, we're providing a year round food source. Yes, you are, but your also baiting. Not by the definition of the law, but your still baiting. How much money you've invested in the food plot, doesn't change a damn thing.



I don't think that; I just think you ought use a different word to describe it. Baiting has a legal definition, and it doesn't mean anything done to land to improve habitat. Planting a crop and putting out bait are not the "same thing" in a legal sense. They involve completely different actions, so they are not the same thing in a physical sense, so in what sense are they the same thing?

As best I can understand, you guys are saying they are the "same thing" in some kind of moral or ethical sense - am I understanding correctly? I would agree that they could be the same from an ethical sense, but the fact is that in AL right now, they are not. One is legal and one is not. A genuine supplemental feeding program is now legal; but if you hunt inside that magical barrier the dcnr has defined, then it becomes bait and in my opinion is not the "same thing" as growing a crop in any sense.

If this is just an argument that the current state policy on feeding is lousy policy, then I agree with you completely. I have often said I'm not buying corn to feed deer, but if someone else does it's not something I care about. I really hope they never legalize feeding turkeys during the season; that would require a much shorter season or we wouldn't have many left.

Good hunting to all.

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PCP, for starters, I wasn't referring any one particular person. Guys, all you have to do is to ask yourself this one simple question. Would I be doing any of this if I didn't hunt? If the answer is yes, well then your not baiting, but your still enticing game to come to your property for viewing. If the answer is no, I wouldn't be planting plots, fertilizing native browse, putting out supplemental feeders, whether they have corn or protein pellets, or mineral sites, well, your baiting IMO. The difference is your planning on harvesting the game that you have "ENTICED" to your property. As to the fact that one is legal and the other is not in Alabama, your correct sir. I believe, Alabama has some of the dumbest game laws. We have laws on top of laws to try to accomplish the same thing.

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I don’t think baiting rather it be corn or a high protein feed is the equivalent to growing food plots. And I’ll continue to manage my property that way. The end results may be the same when hunting over them if baiting becomes legal without the what if’s and maybes like it is now. And I couldn’t care less what everybody else does on theirs.


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Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2412238
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Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted by blumsden
Some of these guys think we don't legally know the difference between baiting and not. We know the difference, we just think it's stupid. As I said earlier. Anything, and I mean anything you do to your property to encourage wildlife to use it, falls under baiting them in to me. Some people are elitists. Some guys think unless you kill a deer with traditional archery, your not a REAL hunter. Some people don't gun hunt and think that people who do, are not REAL hunters. Just like some people believe that when they clear an area and put in a food plot, lime it ,fertilize it, plant it, and then hunt it or hunt the trails leading to it, are not baiting. OH no, we're providing a year round food source. Yes, you are, but your also baiting. Not by the definition of the law, but your still baiting. How much money you've invested in the food plot, doesn't change a damn thing.



I don't think that; I just think you ought use a different word to describe it. Baiting has a legal definition, and it doesn't mean anything done to land to improve habitat. Planting a crop and putting out bait are not the "same thing" in a legal sense. They involve completely different actions, so they are not the same thing in a physical sense, so in what sense are they the same thing?

As best I can understand, you guys are saying they are the "same thing" in some kind of moral or ethical sense - am I understanding correctly? I would agree that they could be the same from an ethical sense, but the fact is that in AL right now, they are not. One is legal and one is not. A genuine supplemental feeding program is now legal; but if you hunt inside that magical barrier the dcnr has defined, then it becomes bait and in my opinion is not the "same thing" as growing a crop in any sense.

If this is just an argument that the current state policy on feeding is lousy policy, then I agree with you completely. I have often said I'm not buying corn to feed deer, but if someone else does it's not something I care about. I really hope they never legalize feeding turkeys during the season; that would require a much shorter season or we wouldn't have many left.

Good hunting to all.

Preacher, do you think scattering corn via a bush hog is baiting?



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Originally Posted by blumsden
PCP, for starters, I wasn't referring any one particular person. Guys, all you have to do is to ask yourself this one simple question. Would I be doing any of this if I didn't hunt? If the answer is yes, well then your not baiting, but your still enticing game to come to your property for viewing. If the answer is no, I wouldn't be planting plots, fertilizing native browse, putting out supplemental feeders, whether they have corn or protein pellets, or mineral sites, well, your baiting IMO. The difference is your planning on harvesting the game that you have "ENTICED" to your property. As to the fact that one is legal and the other is not in Alabama, your correct sir. I believe, Alabama has some of the dumbest game laws. We have laws on top of laws to try to accomplish the same thing.

I don't think enticing to your property is baiting , but enticing to your actual hunting spot is if it's something like planting a plot. Sure the law says it isn't, but the result is the same. You've done something to entice him with none native food to a particular spot to kill him. Corn pile, feeder, standing corn, bush hogged corn, green plots all entice them to a particular spot.

I could see how enticing deer to a smaller acreage might be viewed as bait. I was thinking about larger acreages where deer might not leave at all.

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Re: Baiting vs planting green fields [Re: 2Dogs] #2412479
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
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Originally Posted by blumsden
Some of these guys think we don't legally know the difference between baiting and not. We know the difference, we just think it's stupid. As I said earlier. Anything, and I mean anything you do to your property to encourage wildlife to use it, falls under baiting them in to me. Some people are elitists. Some guys think unless you kill a deer with traditional archery, your not a REAL hunter. Some people don't gun hunt and think that people who do, are not REAL hunters. Just like some people believe that when they clear an area and put in a food plot, lime it ,fertilize it, plant it, and then hunt it or hunt the trails leading to it, are not baiting. OH no, we're providing a year round food source. Yes, you are, but your also baiting. Not by the definition of the law, but your still baiting. How much money you've invested in the food plot, doesn't change a damn thing.



I don't think that; I just think you ought use a different word to describe it. Baiting has a legal definition, and it doesn't mean anything done to land to improve habitat. Planting a crop and putting out bait are not the "same thing" in a legal sense. They involve completely different actions, so they are not the same thing in a physical sense, so in what sense are they the same thing?

As best I can understand, you guys are saying they are the "same thing" in some kind of moral or ethical sense - am I understanding correctly? I would agree that they could be the same from an ethical sense, but the fact is that in AL right now, they are not. One is legal and one is not. A genuine supplemental feeding program is now legal; but if you hunt inside that magical barrier the dcnr has defined, then it becomes bait and in my opinion is not the "same thing" as growing a crop in any sense.

If this is just an argument that the current state policy on feeding is lousy policy, then I agree with you completely. I have often said I'm not buying corn to feed deer, but if someone else does it's not something I care about. I really hope they never legalize feeding turkeys during the season; that would require a much shorter season or we wouldn't have many left.

Good hunting to all.

Preacher, do you think scattering corn via a bush hog is baiting?



If I understand the law correctly, then it would not be. If that is illegal for the critter you are hunting, then I would say yes. For deer hunting, I can't understand why anyone would wanna bush hog corn. I can promise you the dang pine goats can get every grain of corn out of the field without any help from me. But when I plant corn, I don't want the deer to eat it.

My only disagreement with you on this is the terminology some of you are using. I think you ought to find another word to use besides baiting. If you define it so broadly that it includes anything that isn't natural, then you have made baiting synonymous with hunting, since nothing is left that is truly natural. It doesn't make a whole lot of difference, but I've read poll results that say non-hunters still have a majority support for hunting, but a very strong majority is against baiting. To say that essentially all hunting in AL is done over a baited area is probably not good for the future of hunting, and I don't think the average person understands all habitat improvement to be baiting.

I think a genuine supplemental feeding program can certainly be part of a management plan for wildlife. If I had unlimited resources I would hire a guy to build me a bunch of feeders and keep them full of high protein deer food during the critical times of the year. But I have limited resources, so the deer can scrap for a living like the rest of us. But if I did have out supplemental food, I wouldn't hunt over it, so it wouldn't be bait.

I would agree that planting, burning, and supplemental feeding can all be components of a management plan for deer. None of those things meet the legal definition of baiting. I just think you oughta use a different word.

Ok Troy, I will quit. smile

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Can't believe this thing is still going

This argument comes up like 3 times a year and is the same outcome every single time.

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