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01/19/18 06:48 AM
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Just looking for opinions from those that have done both, or experience/knowledge with both. We are considering drilling next year for our food plots versus broadcast spreading. It seems that drilling definitely gives better results, but just wasn't sure if you felt it was worth it. Would welcome your opinions, pros and cons.

Thanks.

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Are we talking wheat and oats? You will certainly use less seed, and probably get a more uniform stand with drilling. But the seed is just so cheap, and I don't have access to a small grain drill, so we broadcast.

Only real answer is to do a side by side comparison one year.

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Drilling is definately the best method in my opinion, but it would take a lot of seed to offset the purchase cost and upkeep.

If I was buying a drill I would make sure it came with a small seed box for things like clover, as I think you would see a good return on investment with small seeds like that.

Edited to add: I am referring to a no-till drill.

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Are you talking no-till drill vs. discing then broadcasting the seed? If I had the opportunity to no-till drill, that's certainly what I would go with.

Can't they been somewhat a pain to keep calibrated though? I have no experience. I have a hand spreader and consider myself fancy.

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I've done it both ways. We had 2 Great Plains drills at one and drilled everything. Personally the only reason to drill would be ease of managing summer crops. I would not really consider it for my fall plantings unless time is a major issue for you.

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I'm with NightHunter.

My question is when you say "drill" what exactly are planning on doing this "drilling" with because that makes a big difference. Unless you've got access to a real drill like a Great Plains or Haybuster or something I'm going to tell you to there is no magic about to happen. You'll either be disappointed or not accomplish really anything you could not do with another implement in about as many steps.


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We hire the Co-Op to broadcast almost all of our food plots with the mix of seed and fertilizer, but we plant a LOT of food plots.

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Does the ground have to perfectly level for a drill to work correctly?

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Originally Posted By: bambam32
Does the ground have to perfectly level for a drill to work correctly?


No but depending on the drill it may need to be prepared (disked) dirt. The standard duty drill will have single or dual disc openers followed by a tire or drag chain. The discs are usually set up in a gang fashion and come up and down with hydraulic power.

These kinds of drills will do little to nothing besides spread seed in very hard ground or ground having a lot of cover (grass, etc.).

No-Till drills will have much heavier setups to use their disc to cut open a trench in harder ground. The JD ones I'm familiar with had a VERY large spring on each opener arm but used the tractor hydraulics in constant flow to keep penetration constant. They also had a small wheel that pressed the seed into the trench then a cast iron wheel that closed the trench from a different angle. They came in 10, 15, or 20' widths and needed around 8-12 hp per foot for a tractor.

There is no free lunch. If you don't take care of whats already on top of the dirt (grass, weeds, last years plot) with tillage or chemical you won't get a good stand. No Till Drills aren't the magic pill many people believe them to be. They also aren't cheap. The last new 10' I sold (YEARS ago) was better than $30k and the 20' was nearly $55k.

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Was considering no-till drilling. I appreciate everyone’s input. Great insights. Not sure what we’ll do, but probably opt to use the extra $ it would take to drill and use it for other things to improve the land.

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Originally Posted By: RobertD
Originally Posted By: bambam32
Does the ground have to perfectly level for a drill to work correctly?


No but depending on the drill it may need to be prepared (disked) dirt. The standard duty drill will have single or dual disc openers followed by a tire or drag chain. The discs are usually set up in a gang fashion and come up and down with hydraulic power.

These kinds of drills will do little to nothing besides spread seed in very hard ground or ground having a lot of cover (grass, etc.).

No-Till drills will have much heavier setups to use their disc to cut open a trench in harder ground. The JD ones I'm familiar with had a VERY large spring on each opener arm but used the tractor hydraulics in constant flow to keep penetration constant. They also had a small wheel that pressed the seed into the trench then a cast iron wheel that closed the trench from a different angle. They came in 10, 15, or 20' widths and needed around 8-12 hp per foot for a tractor.

There is no free lunch. If you don't take care of whats already on top of the dirt (grass, weeds, last years plot) with tillage or chemical you won't get a good stand. No Till Drills aren't the magic pill many people believe them to be. They also aren't cheap. The last new 10' I sold (YEARS ago) was better than $30k and the 20' was nearly $55k.


Thanks for the explanation. More complicated than I thought.

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If you can afford it, no till drill is best investment you will ever make. You will wonder how you ever got by without it. Works great for soybeans in Summer & small grains with clover in Winter

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Also, drill are extremely easy to use and only use a fraction of the seed compared to broadcasting. Calibrate once and forget it. Mine actually uses exact same setting for beans & my Winter blend. Biggest hurdle is gaining confidence that it’s seeding correctly. It uses so little seed that you will think it’s not working correctly but you will be very pleased with results

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And not putting dead hrs on tractors disking is nice too.


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drill??????????


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Originally Posted By: jwillinfl
Was considering no-till drilling. I appreciate everyone’s input. Great insights. Not sure what we’ll do, but probably opt to use the extra $ it would take to drill and use it for other things to improve the land.


I have a no till drill and do NOT prefer it for food plots. It will plant and get germination just fine. But, since the deer whack the plots and do not let the plants crown, you end up with perfect neat little rows of little growth that looks like crap. Same number of plants as broadcasting, just in rows, so not as visually appealing as a random broadcast. Your club mates will think you're a failur even though you have just as much green except it's in perfect rows with dormant growth visible between the rows.

If you have a low deer population it would change my mind completely. But with a high deer density, broadcast "looks" better since there is green across the plot not just in perfect munched-down rows.


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