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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/11/18 03:39 AM
01/11/18 03:39 AM
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Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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Grumpy Old Man
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The camera will help you learn how many big bucks never ever come out of the cave until 10pm and go back into hiding well before first light.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: 3toe]
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01/11/18 03:56 AM
01/11/18 03:56 AM
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dagwood
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We ruled out members setting cams on club plots but not in their private areas. We had members that would go around at 2 pm and check cams. If they saw something, they would sign it out. If not I sign it out after they had been in there stinking the area up right before I got there.
jmlane
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/11/18 03:58 AM
01/11/18 03:58 AM
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treemydog
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It's like the internet. I grew up in the late 70s and 80s when the internet was a volume of 10 year old encyclopedias on the bookshelf. The information was still there, you just went about obtaining it a different way. People who were born and raised post internet, get the info they want WAY faster and arguably easier. Gadgets like game cameras are paralleling this mindset. Old school scouting will still get you the info you want, it's just harder, slower, and at times the info is incomplete.
It's a double edged sword for me. I'm embracing the lazy scouter mentality, and like to use them to have an idea of what might be encountered quick and easy (and to get my young son excited about what we have to hunt), but I feel the years and years of hard-earned woodcraft and hunting/scouting skills slipping away each year. Use it or lose it, right?
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: Out back]
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01/11/18 04:26 AM
01/11/18 04:26 AM
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poorcountrypreacher
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The camera will help you learn how many big bucks never ever come out of the cave until 10pm and go back into hiding well before first light. But the poor deer that hides in a thicket until midnight still gets his picture taken. Doesn't seem fair.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/11/18 04:27 AM
01/11/18 04:27 AM
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Posts: 9,160 B'ham
Goatkiller
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I'm with Treemydog.... to me some would say that technology has made the world a bigger place for us individually. I would say the opposite and that it has made the world a much smaller place for each of us.
I remember there were roads that went back up in the mountains and you didn't know where they really went, they were not on most maps and you're Grandfather would just say "them boys up Whitehouse Road... you don't go up in there they are making liquor and who knows what all else they are into".
Now that you've got the internet you can zoom into their driveway and see what kind and color of car they drive.
Same with Game Cameras. You use to hunt and didn't know what is there and were more focused on the hunt instead of the prize. I think it was more thrilling to see a big buck before cameras.
I'm not against Cameras though. I'm glad people use them and I think they have increased awareness and willingness to manage deer on a piece of property instead of just shooting.
Last edited by Goatkiller; 01/11/18 04:31 AM.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: 3toe]
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01/11/18 04:49 AM
01/11/18 04:49 AM
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Posts: 8,049 Right behind you
Mbrock
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So do you think does travel as far as bucks or do you think they hold more to a certain area? Average home range on does is 300-600 acres that they’ll use regularly. Bucks average home range is three X that of a doe.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/11/18 04:59 AM
01/11/18 04:59 AM
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BamaGuitarDude
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The challenge was to find a deer to hunt and then killing him; whether he turned out to be a 6 point or a 10 point had nothing to do with the enjoyment of the hunt. And most of the time the deer won and I never even saw him... [snip] ... I think game cameras have done more bad than good for deer hunting. Am I the only believes this? PCP, no you're not the only one; IMO to each their own - but the challenge you list above is exactly why i put away my game cams as a tool for deer hunting; i guess i enjoy the challenge (and surprise) of not knowing more than having all the G2 & pics & all ... as a pre-season surveying tool, tho, i like game cams a lot ...
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A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: joshm28]
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01/11/18 04:24 PM
01/11/18 04:24 PM
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Posts: 195 Northport, Alabama
ZS81
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We use cameras a lot. We also try and shoot mature deer only. With the cameras we can put a buck on the no kill list because we usually have multiple pictures and can actually study and age them. I'll shoot a 5 year old 6 point over a 3 year old 130" 8 point ALL DAY LONG! Cameras help me do that. You may be an exception, but I suspect about 99% of folks who go on about how they pass 130" 3 yr old bucks would drop a 110" like a sack of crap if it gave them half a chance.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: ZS81]
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01/11/18 04:59 PM
01/11/18 04:59 PM
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mike35549
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We use cameras a lot. We also try and shoot mature deer only. With the cameras we can put a buck on the no kill list because we usually have multiple pictures and can actually study and age them. I'll shoot a 5 year old 6 point over a 3 year old 130" 8 point ALL DAY LONG! Cameras help me do that. You may be an exception, but I suspect about 99% of folks who go on about how they pass 130" 3 yr old bucks would drop a 110" like a sack of crap if it gave them half a chance. I have seen at least 3-4 three year old bucks that would score around 110" along with a few others that wouldn't score quite that much, and didn't even pick up my gun. I think there are quite a few that let them walk.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: mike35549]
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01/11/18 06:00 PM
01/11/18 06:00 PM
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Posts: 195 Northport, Alabama
ZS81
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We use cameras a lot. We also try and shoot mature deer only. With the cameras we can put a buck on the no kill list because we usually have multiple pictures and can actually study and age them. I'll shoot a 5 year old 6 point over a 3 year old 130" 8 point ALL DAY LONG! Cameras help me do that. You may be an exception, but I suspect about 99% of folks who go on about how they pass 130" 3 yr old bucks would drop a 110" like a sack of crap if it gave them half a chance. I have seen at least 3-4 three year old bucks that would score around 110" along with a few others that wouldn't score quite that much, and didn't even pick up my gun. I think there are quite a few that let them walk. Congrats! Let me be the first to give you a virtual pat on the back.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: ZS81]
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01/11/18 06:08 PM
01/11/18 06:08 PM
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mike35549
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We use cameras a lot. We also try and shoot mature deer only. With the cameras we can put a buck on the no kill list because we usually have multiple pictures and can actually study and age them. I'll shoot a 5 year old 6 point over a 3 year old 130" 8 point ALL DAY LONG! Cameras help me do that. You may be an exception, but I suspect about 99% of folks who go on about how they pass 130" 3 yr old bucks would drop a 110" like a sack of crap if it gave them half a chance. I have seen at least 3-4 three year old bucks that would score around 110" along with a few others that wouldn't score quite that much, and didn't even pick up my gun. I think there are quite a few that let them walk. Congrats! Let me be the first to give you a virtual pat on the back. I wasn't looking for a pat on the back or an smart ass response. Simply stateing that there are a lot more people than most think that let them them 2-3 year old walk.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: mike35549]
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01/11/18 06:27 PM
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ZS81
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We use cameras a lot. We also try and shoot mature deer only. With the cameras we can put a buck on the no kill list because we usually have multiple pictures and can actually study and age them. I'll shoot a 5 year old 6 point over a 3 year old 130" 8 point ALL DAY LONG! Cameras help me do that. You may be an exception, but I suspect about 99% of folks who go on about how they pass 130" 3 yr old bucks would drop a 110" like a sack of crap if it gave them half a chance. I have seen at least 3-4 three year old bucks that would score around 110" along with a few others that wouldn't score quite that much, and didn't even pick up my gun. I think there are quite a few that let them walk. Congrats! Let me be the first to give you a virtual pat on the back. I wasn't looking for a pat on the back or an smart ass response. Simply stateing that there are a lot more people than most think that let them them 2-3 year old walk. I don't have any desire to shoot a 110" buck either, but come on, a 130 class is not a shooter anymore? I'm going to have to call bush on that.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/11/18 06:30 PM
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Clem
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You can "call bush" on it but for a lot of folks these days a 130 is not a shooter. They're actually passing on those in hopes of something bigger.
If you want to shoot a 110 or 130 or 90 or whatever, fine. But some folks don't and are doing like hunters in other states where they actually let bucks walk, don't get their panties in a wad if someone shoots something, and end up with 140 and 150 (or bigger, possibly) bucks.
Last edited by Clem; 01/11/18 06:31 PM.
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras
[Re: Clem]
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01/11/18 06:42 PM
01/11/18 06:42 PM
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ZS81
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You can "call bush" on it but for a lot of folks these days a 130 is not a shooter. They're actually passing on those in hopes of something bigger.
If you want to shoot a 110 or 130 or 90 or whatever, fine. But some folks don't and are doing like hunters in other states where they actually let bucks walk, don't get their panties in a wad if someone shoots something, and end up with 140 and 150 (or bigger, possibly) bucks. Clem, my point is I don't buy it. I suspect a lot of folks that claim they wouldn't shoot a 130" buck couldn't get one dead fast enough if it actually walked out.
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