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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366264
01/10/18 11:21 AM
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I scout the old way you speak of PCP, to find a place to put a camera. It still takes the same amount of skill to find the sign as it did before cameras. Now you can hang camera and find out what's making the sign with out actually sitting in the woods.

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366268
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I run cameras to find out not only what animals are using a trail, but more importantly, when. Lots of places I've saved hunting time by not setting up on a well used trail I found because it was always night traffic, never daylight.

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366278
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Cameras are a useful tool. However, I believe most are used for entertainment value more than anything else. From what I have seen from other users is they pour corn out get pictures of deer in an area then "hunt" (generally winds up more sitting and watching leaves fall) it time after time after time after time just knowing that the big ginormous Methuselah bucky they got a picture of is going to wander back by two months after the corn is gone. I am glad most "hunt " that way. Leaves the rest of the property for me to hunt and actually find and see/kill deer on!
Cameras = don't have to learn much in woodsmanship. For the premature shooter off'ers that doesn't mean everybody that uses cameras don't know anything about woodmanship and hunting.


"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366281
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As far as good or bad for hunting, I'm not sure I can see it going either way. As far as being able to knowingly target a certain deer, this has the potential for being a better 'management' way of hunting, shooting specific age bracket deer, and by patterning a specific deer it makes it easier to do so.

That said, I didn't run a single camera last season. I ran one this season, that was on the food plot and that was simply to come up with answer of whether or not it was worth sitting nearby, as we knew it was used, but daylight or not.

Next season I'll probably run the same set up. I like trying to scout 'em. Notice I used the word try. PCP, you want to come teach me how to read sign, I'll cook up some poppers and backstrap!

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366292
01/10/18 11:44 AM
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I enjoy running cameras. I think it also helps me stay in the stand more when you know there are mature bucks in the area. It is just another tool, the same way climbing stands, ladder stands, binoculars, guns, and compound bows are. People use the best tools they have at there disposal to accomplish whatever task they are doing. I once dug and covered 100' of fill line for a ceptic tank with a pick and shovel if I would have had a backhoe I would have used it but at the time the shovel was better than my hands which was the only two options I had. The reason Indians used bows is because it was better than a spear. The only reason they didn't use rifles, tree stands, and game cameras is because they didn't have them.


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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: FX4] #2366324
01/10/18 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: FX4
Originally Posted By: 3toe
I use my cameras to see how many gobblers are on the place. Who cares about deer.


I wish somebody would come shoot all these dang gobbles on my place. They eatin up all my corn. grin


All you have to do is invite and I'll be there. Along with a BUNCH of others on here.

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: Randy74] #2366328
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Originally Posted By: Randy74
Originally Posted By: FX4
Originally Posted By: 3toe
I use my cameras to see how many gobblers are on the place. Who cares about deer.


I wish somebody would come shoot all these dang gobbles on my place. They eatin up all my corn. grin


All you have to do is invite and I'll be there. Along with a BUNCH of others on here.


Hey hey now, he was replying to me. smile

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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: jlbuc10] #2366336
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Originally Posted By: jlbuc10
I scout the old way you speak of PCP, to find a place to put a camera. It still takes the same amount of skill to find the sign as it did before cameras. Now you can hang camera and find out what's making the sign with out actually sitting in the woods.


This. I went ON many scouting trips this fall on public land and I always carried 3 things in my backpack. A pistol, water, and a game camera. When I found what I was looking for I would put a camera out and come back in a week or two to see what was coming through.



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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366359
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According to the camera, that I just pulled a few minutes ago, I need to harvest some dogs.


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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366437
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I don't care for cameras.


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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366498
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I think hunting has evolved, it has for me. I don't really hunt just to kill anymore. I put an enormous amount of time and money on the whole process. I start prepping fields for spring planting during early turkey season. Plant corn early, plant peas in may, chufas in june or july. Bush hog, spray during summer, start on fall plots in Aug and so on.
I deer hunt a lot, 5, 6 or more days a week, could kill a deer at least 8 out of 10 times I go. Haven't killed a deer in 2 years, I just like to go and enjoy the fruits of my labor, watching deer.
However, if I see a dandy of a buck, 140ish, he's going on the wall.
That's where the cameras come in handy. If I locate one that I'm sure would go on the wall, I will hunt him until I kill him or the season ends. We have 11 bucks mounted, biggest is 148 that took me 3 years to kill and killed another about 140 about a month later in the same spot. I had tons of pictures and knew what I was after and stayed with it until I got it done.
Since then, I have passed up at least a dozen that were 130+.
Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it just as much as I ever did, just doesn't mean that much to kill one just because I can.
I'm 70 and thankful I can still do what I do, but killing a deer
ain't what it once was for me. I'm probably more of a game manager than I am a deer hunter these days, but if bullwinkle makes a mistake, I'll give him a dirt nap in a heartbeat.
It's all in what you're looking to get out of it.

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366567
01/10/18 03:04 PM
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I see PCPs point.
For myself, the camera is mainly entertainment value. I have small property here at the house with a stand on it. Just keep the camera near the stand to see whats coming through.
Theres a bobcat on the place that shows every now and then, some raccoons, a few does and some scrappy doo dink bucks. On the rare occasion Ill get a turkey picture. I had a fairly decent buck for the neighborhood on camera before season but hadnt got his picture in awhile.
Two years ago, I got to hunting a small buck I had on camera. It was so much fun. Cat and mouse. He was there when I wasnt. Went on for a week and then I messed around and killed him. Made me very sad. The thrill of the chase was over. But I can see how it would be to exhilarating to play the same game with a big deer.
I enjoy running camera just about as much as I enjoy hunting.

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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: ronfromramer] #2366605
01/10/18 03:31 PM
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Thanks for all the replies, and especially for keeping them all civil. I hadn't checked in since I started the thread and really expected somebody to call me a communist by now. smile

You guys made some good comments and brought up some things I hadn't really thought about. Once again, I certainly don't think they should be illegal and am not criticizing anyone for using them. I've just never seen a discussion about how they have changed the sport, and wondered if anyone else thought that some of those changes aren't really good for the sport.

It seems to me that cameras have helped as far as managing deer, but I still think they have not been completely positive for deer hunting. I don't think that all the emphasis on the perfect set of antlers is really good for the sport, but that's obviously me looking at things from my perspective.

Well, the world changes, and old men have always complained about changes, so I'm just acting the way I'm supposed to act. You guys keep having fun and don't pay attention to me.


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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366668
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I think TV is what hasnt been good for the sport. For the most part, they glamorized deer with huge antlers that arent attainable by a large constituency. Most shows are filmed in the Midwest or TX. Totally unrealistic for the average hunter.

Cameras have certainly opened my eyes to how far deer will travel, and in VERY short time. Had a buck on a camera one morning and 3 hours later on another camera just over 2 linear miles away, and I know he didnt walk a straight line to get there.

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: Southwood7] #2366681
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Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Originally Posted By: jlbuc10
I scout the old way you speak of PCP, to find a place to put a camera. It still takes the same amount of skill to find the sign as it did before cameras. Now you can hang camera and find out what's making the sign with out actually sitting in the woods.


This. I went ON many scouting trips this fall on public land and I always carried 3 things in my backpack. A pistol, water, and a game camera. When I found what I was looking for I would put a camera out and come back in a week or two to see what was coming through.


Your results speak volumes about how good your woodsmanship is. Congrats on a great season.


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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366683
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They are a good tool, but like a 4 wheeler there's a time to park them. I just don't get the folks that run a bunch of them in season and run all over their property , stinking it up checking cams when it's time to hunt. I think they could make you hunt "stupid" sometimes.



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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366693
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Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366708
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I'd probably get discouraged earlier in the season if I didn't have some deer porn to keep me invigorated!

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2366723
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We use cameras a lot. We also try and shoot mature deer only. With the cameras we can put a buck on the no kill list because we usually have multiple pictures and can actually study and age them. I'll shoot a 5 year old 6 point over a 3 year old 130" 8 point ALL DAY LONG! Cameras help me do that.

Re: The Ethics of Game Cameras [Re: Mbrock] #2366987
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Originally Posted By: Mbrock
I think TV is what hasnt been good for the sport. For the most part, they glamorized deer with huge antlers that arent attainable by a large constituency. Most shows are filmed in the Midwest or TX. Totally unrealistic for the average hunter.

Cameras have certainly opened my eyes to how far deer will travel, and in VERY short time. Had a buck on a camera one morning and 3 hours later on another camera just over 2 linear miles away, and I know he didnt walk a straight line to get there.


THIS. That's the biggest takeaway I've gleaned from cameras. I said that cameras taught me the reason I don't see a certain deer(s) often or ever is because he ain't there often or ever! Be on camera at my place Monday of this week, then Tuesday and Wednesday he's a few miles away across two highways for no good reason, then gets killed by a totally different person 2 miles away in the other direction.


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