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Steel shot opinion ?
#2355548
01/02/18 10:24 PM
01/02/18 10:24 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
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Fairhope,Al. USA
longbow
OP
8 point
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OP
8 point
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,437
Fairhope,Al. USA
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Since we have went to using steel shot it seems that I rarely kill a duck stone cold dead. I cannot speak for the $30 boxes of bismuth or black cloud but just regular steel. I know over the years I have crippled and lost ALOT more ducks from steel shot than will ever die from lead poisoning. Back in the lead days, ducks used to just fold up and be belly up on the water.
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Re: Steel shot opinion ?
[Re: longbow]
#2355570
01/03/18 02:06 AM
01/03/18 02:06 AM
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Joined: Dec 2009
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USA
marshmud991
14 point
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USA
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I duck hunted all my life and was a guide for 22 yrs and went thru the transition from lead to steel. I've killed and have seen numbers of ducks killed that most people couldn't even think of. In my opinion, steel shucks will kill a duck just as dead as lead is you take high pecentage shots (30-40yds). The problem I saw the most with steel shot is people shooting to small of a shot and the wrong choke. I NEVER shot anything smaller than a 3" #4 at decoying ducks. On days when I'd know we would have more pass shooting (windy or foggy days) I would step up to 3" #2 or 3s. For geese I always shot 3" #1s.
The 2nd problem I see is people shooting a choke that is to open. Way to many people believe the horsechit that you have to shoot an Improved cylinder choke with steel shot. Like drake said that is fine if you are shooting ducks at 20 yds but that is a fantasy if you think every duck is coming in to 20yds. When I was guiding there was nothing I hated more than a crippled duck. If you came to my blind and you had an IC choke in you gun and had your set of chokes with you we changed it to at least a modified choke. Way to many people don't realize that most chokes now made for steel shot and when we changed the chokes they started killing more ducks. They were simply not putting enough pellets in the birds to kill them. I have always shot and will always shoot a full choke and would easily kill birds stone dead out to 50yds. Take a little advice from someone who has been there, if you are just crippling ducks, change shot sizes and go to a tighter choke. Also people, PATTERN YOUR GUNS so you will know how they shoot.
DISCLAIMER: Some of everything above is my opinion, but most was learned through 40yrs of duck hunting so do with it what you will.
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Re: Steel shot opinion ?
[Re: gatorbait154]
#2355716
01/03/18 05:00 AM
01/03/18 05:00 AM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,100
Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 12,100
Sylacauga, AL
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TSS is good stuff too. I killed a couple of wood ducks with it last week, and it will kill them dead for sure. I also missed a couple I should have killed; gotta shoot straight with it.
If I were gonna be a serious duck hunter I would try some of the steel/TSS duplex loads.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Steel shot opinion ?
[Re: marshmud991]
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01/03/18 05:29 AM
01/03/18 05:29 AM
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Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,747
RBC, AL
Drake322
10 point
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10 point
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RBC, AL
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I duck hunted all my life and was a guide for 22 yrs and went thru the transition from lead to steel. I've killed and have seen numbers of ducks killed that most people couldn't even think of. In my opinion, steel shucks will kill a duck just as dead as lead is you take high pecentage shots (30-40yds). The problem I saw the most with steel shot is people shooting to small of a shot and the wrong choke. I NEVER shot anything smaller than a 3" #4 at decoying ducks. On days when I'd know we would have more pass shooting (windy or foggy days) I would step up to 3" #2 or 3s. For geese I always shot 3" #1s.
The 2nd problem I see is people shooting a choke that is to open. Way to many people believe the horsechit that you have to shoot an Improved cylinder choke with steel shot. Like drake said that is fine if you are shooting ducks at 20 yds but that is a fantasy if you think every duck is coming in to 20yds. When I was guiding there was nothing I hated more than a crippled duck. If you came to my blind and you had an IC choke in you gun and had your set of chokes with you we changed it to at least a modified choke. Way to many people don't realize that most chokes now made for steel shot and when we changed the chokes they started killing more ducks. They were simply not putting enough pellets in the birds to kill them. I have always shot and will always shoot a full choke and would easily kill birds stone dead out to 50yds. Take a little advice from someone who has been there, if you are just crippling ducks, change shot sizes and go to a tighter choke. Also people, PATTERN YOUR GUNS so you will know how they shoot.
DISCLAIMER: Some of everything above is my opinion, but most was learned through 40yrs of duck hunting so do with it what you will. All of the above I agree with and 100% of what he said about pattern/shot size comes from trial and error AND will change depending on the gun you shoot. Get a good choke like Patternmaster or Kicks. My 912 Franchi LOVES heavy metal #4 with a Mod choke. Good pattern. Now, If I change up and shoot some cheap stuff, I have to close the effective range I shoot. Just part of it.
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Re: Steel shot opinion ?
[Re: marshmud991]
#2357173
01/04/18 06:16 AM
01/04/18 06:16 AM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,920
colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 18,920
colbert county
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I duck hunted all my life and was a guide for 22 yrs and went thru the transition from lead to steel. I've killed and have seen numbers of ducks killed that most people couldn't even think of. In my opinion, steel shucks will kill a duck just as dead as lead is you take high pecentage shots (30-40yds). The problem I saw the most with steel shot is people shooting to small of a shot and the wrong choke. I NEVER shot anything smaller than a 3" #4 at decoying ducks. On days when I'd know we would have more pass shooting (windy or foggy days) I would step up to 3" #2 or 3s. For geese I always shot 3" #1s.
The 2nd problem I see is people shooting a choke that is to open. Way to many people believe the horsechit that you have to shoot an Improved cylinder choke with steel shot. Like drake said that is fine if you are shooting ducks at 20 yds but that is a fantasy if you think every duck is coming in to 20yds. When I was guiding there was nothing I hated more than a crippled duck. If you came to my blind and you had an IC choke in you gun and had your set of chokes with you we changed it to at least a modified choke. Way to many people don't realize that most chokes now made for steel shot and when we changed the chokes they started killing more ducks. They were simply not putting enough pellets in the birds to kill them. I have always shot and will always shoot a full choke and would easily kill birds stone dead out to 50yds. Take a little advice from someone who has been there, if you are just crippling ducks, change shot sizes and go to a tighter choke. Also people, PATTERN YOUR GUNS so you will know how they shoot.
DISCLAIMER: Some of everything above is my opinion, but most was learned through 40yrs of duck hunting so do with it what you will. A lot of truth in there, I hand load my duck loads, it's PITA and when I run out of supplies I'll be buying. I'm loading 3.5 hulls now, my eyes are nothing like they once were and I'll take every advantage I can to up my odds. Last trip to AR. I bought some Hevi-metal loads, they hit with authority. Considering what we spend on everything else to chase fowl, quality shells and chokes should be a part of that investment.
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Re: Steel shot opinion ?
[Re: longbow]
#2357477
01/04/18 10:42 AM
01/04/18 10:42 AM
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Joined: May 2015
Posts: 6,363
On the X
TickaTicka
12 point
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12 point
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 6,363
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I don't disagree, lead will flat kill a duck but non-tox is our reality.
With today's modern high velocity loads, you can kill piles of them with steel. I've got too many other things to complain about....
Public Land Owner
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