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Road rage in Mobile #2296805
11/17/17 11:57 AM
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Any of you upstate and elsewhere hear about this? I know a good deal about it because I know a brother of the man killed, but I will not say anything on a public forum about it. I will say it appears to me the shooting was in self defense, but I wasn't there, and there is lots of talk, as you can imagine.

man shot and killed


"For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America" ~Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2296808
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Wow, following this guy was a bad move and then to box him in with their cars? I am on not taking sides, but this could have been easily avoided.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2296809
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A little confusing to follow the article as to who is who. I know I've had to stand down a time or two on a couple of road situations. Most of the time it's better to just bow out and deescelate no matter how right you may be.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2296820
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Taking what is written at face value: It never says that the shooter initially drew his gun or pointed his gun at anyone. Says he got out with a gun, as most of us would have done, if we were boxed in by 3 men and thought it was going to be a 2 or 3 on one confrontation. Says the victim jumped out says "that's my son" and pointed his gun at the shooter. Then it says that the shooter then drew (meaning that his weapon was still concealed or holstered??) his gun and shot 3 times hitting the victim. Hate that it happened but that is justifiable fear for his life in my opinion. In FL, if he had his concealed carry and the pistol was legally owned, the shooter would never be charged by the grand jury for the shooting. He'd be charged with the original physical assault but definitely not for the shooting. After being chased for 15 minutes and then boxed in and cornered by 3 men one of which is pointing a gun at him, he just defended himself. Both tragic and senseless.

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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: MarksOutdoors] #2296823
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Originally Posted By: MarksOutdoors
A little confusing to follow the article as to who is who. I know I've had to stand down a time or two on a couple of road situations. Most of the time it's better to just bow out and deescelate no matter how right you may be.


I thought it was poorly written too. Shooter argues with victim's son, son follows shooter, calls victim (his father), victim (father) meets them on I-10, father and son box shooter in with their vehicles, victim threatens shooter with death, shooter reacts, victim dies on the way to hospital.


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Isaiah 40:13-14

RAP is CRAP

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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2296824
11/17/17 12:33 PM
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You jump out a come punching me (or even worse, my kid) and I'm dropping your ass right there.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2296831
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Sounds to me like the kids were early 20's, they were out buying cigs. Dont know a thing about the "kids" so this is complete supposition on my part but knowing how this latest group of millenials acts, I'm betting they were major instigators in all this when the guy pulled out in front of them.

Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2296848
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Road rage is so easily avoidable, most times. As my dad has always told me, "discretion is the better part of valor". Very sad situation.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2296855
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People are crazy and drive like lunatics. 99% of the time somebody is riding my butt and I'm doing the speed limit.
Went to pick up my son from school this pm and saw 3 wrecks within 1 mile of the house.
Some phone looker rear ended me on the first of Nov.

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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2297151
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Whole thing is nuts.

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Originally Posted By: Remington270
Whole thing is nuts.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2297241
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Drivers education is severely lacking these days. I mean people are just bad drivers nowadays and you combine that with people unable to control their anger and you have situations like this. I had a lady today cut me off in front of Raceway in Guntersville. I was in the left lane and she cut right in between me and the car in front of me only to merge right into the turning lane. Wasn’t a car behind me for 200 yards so all she had to do was slow down a little and merge behind me. Not trying to hijack your thread. My only point is people get behind the wheel of a car and lose all common sense either just driving terrible or losing control getting mad at those drivers.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: Recurve] #2297270
11/18/17 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: Recurve
Drivers education is severely lacking these days. I mean people are just bad drivers nowadays and you combine that with people unable to control their anger and you have situations like this. I had a lady today cut me off in front of Raceway in Guntersville. I was in the left lane and she cut right in between me and the car in front of me only to merge right into the turning lane. Wasn’t a car behind me for 200 yards so all she had to do was slow down a little and merge behind me. Not trying to hijack your thread. My only point is people get behind the wheel of a car and lose all common sense either just driving terrible or losing control getting mad at those drivers.


As one of my uncles used to say, "it shorely nuff is the truth."

Drivers get worse every year. There is an increasing number who wanna tailgate me but refuse to pass, even when I slow way up so they can. I had a guy tailgating me this week that stayed right on my bumper no matter how fast I went. I hit a long stretch of open road and he still wouldn't pass. Slowed down to 20 and he still wouldn't pass. I decided to see how fast my truck would run and he stayed right on my bumper.

It had gone from annoyance to concern by that point, but he finally turned off behind me. I have no idea why he did that. He looked like a working man and was driving a one ton. Probably on something.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2297272
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I drove from Woodstock down 459, down 280 to Hwy 119 and back yesterday afternoon. Left the house about 3:15pm, sat at destination maybe 20 minutes and got home at 6:30. Damn 280 was a parking lot going both ways. Had a girl pull out crossing and stop completely blocking my lane...had to slam on the brakes to keep from broadsiding her. Idiot. Folks changing lanes at the last minute will just come over on you shocked. I really hate the assholes that slow down well before a light so they(and you) can get caught by it. Damn 459 was another parking lot going home.

I'd quit any job on earth if I had to make that drive every day.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2299421
11/20/17 05:18 AM
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If u look around at folks....tons of them have a dang phone in their hand while driving. Half the people i see are texting or have it in their hand

Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: Jakethesnake] #2299425
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Originally Posted By: Jakethesnake
If u look around at folks....tons of them have a dang phone in their hand while driving. Half the people i see are texting or have it in their hand


This. I dont understand the phone looking obsession.

Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2299427
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Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted By: Recurve
Drivers education is severely lacking these days. I mean people are just bad drivers nowadays and you combine that with people unable to control their anger and you have situations like this. I had a lady today cut me off in front of Raceway in Guntersville. I was in the left lane and she cut right in between me and the car in front of me only to merge right into the turning lane. Wasn’t a car behind me for 200 yards so all she had to do was slow down a little and merge behind me. Not trying to hijack your thread. My only point is people get behind the wheel of a car and lose all common sense either just driving terrible or losing control getting mad at those drivers.


As one of my uncles used to say, "it shorely nuff is the truth."

Drivers get worse every year. There is an increasing number who wanna tailgate me but refuse to pass, even when I slow way up so they can. I had a guy tailgating me this week that stayed right on my bumper no matter how fast I went. I hit a long stretch of open road and he still wouldn't pass. Slowed down to 20 and he still wouldn't pass. I decided to see how fast my truck would run and he stayed right on my bumper.

It had gone from annoyance to concern by that point, but he finally turned off behind me. I have no idea why he did that. He looked like a working man and was driving a one ton. Probably on something.


Try turning on your left turn signal and tapping your brakes.
Rinse, Repeat.

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PCP, years ago I was driving down 459 and the road was damn near empty of traffic. A car came up behind me going at least 20mph faster than I was, got on my azz and STAYED THERE. I sped up, slowed down, sped up, gave him the finger, slowed down. NOTHING but ride my azz. No traffic so I just stopped dead in the right lane. The dumb azz stopped behind me until I opened my door, then took off around me. I have no idea what his problem was.

I have a good friend that will run up behind a slower car on the Interstate and slow to their speed and stay behind them till I get on his ass to pass em.!!!!! He ain't tailgating but it drives me nuts.


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Re: Road rage in Mobile [Re: soalaturkeys] #2299471
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Originally Posted By: soalaturkeys
Originally Posted By: MarksOutdoors
A little confusing to follow the article as to who is who. I know I've had to stand down a time or two on a couple of road situations. Most of the time it's better to just bow out and deescelate no matter how right you may be.


I thought it was poorly written too. Shooter argues with victim's son, son follows shooter, calls victim (his father), victim (father) meets them on I-10, father and son box shooter in with their vehicles, victim threatens shooter with death, shooter reacts, victim dies on the way to hospital.


Those facts sound like self defense in my opinion.

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