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Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: bmc77] #2273683
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Originally Posted By: bmc77
Saban likes a to take the top off a defense,y'all are crazy as hell if you think Saban doesn't realize what a gift Tua has,that's the reason he comes in so early in these blow out games.


This^^^

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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
If LSU was able to take the run away like last year and it was scoreless at half it could be interesting.



And this ^^^

In a New York minute.

The first team that somehow figures out a way to stop this offense and this quarterback you can bet your ass that Tua will be going in.

He's tanned, rested and ready.

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Tua is a true freshman, in high school last year, couldn't play.

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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
If LSU was able to take the run away like last year and it was scoreless at half it could be interesting.



And this ^^^

In a New York minute.

The first team that somehow figures out a way to stop this offense and this quarterback you can bet your ass that Tua will be going in.

He's tanned, rested and ready.


Exactly what I was saying earlier...Completely agree...If I was a d coordinator/head coach of any school we play with talent (LSU, Auburn, and possibly Ga), I would play man on our receivers, bring the safety's up in the box with a spy on Hurts, and dare Hurts to beat em passing. Chavis for A&M did just about that with not nearly the depth and talent that the teams listed above have on the D-line and shut us down passing wise...Everything listed above about Tua getting in earlier and earlier in a game points to Saban getting Tua ready for such a point where we need his passing ability to win the game. He absolutely can see what is getting to be pretty obvious.

Just look at the gameplan vs. Tenn. the #2 pass defense at the time and one of the worst rushing defenses in the country. From the start, they called plays for Hurts that didn't include the read option run in order to work on/evaluate his passing ability. People argue that the coaches didn't play to his strength which I agree, but did it mainly to strengthen his weakness in passing such as ball placement, touch, reading the d, etc...He consistently threw behind receivers, only has one speed on the ball, and hesitated on just about every throw. Notice how few drops from the receivers occur when Tua is throwing? You can't tell me Cam Sims makes that toe drag catch on the sideline with Hurts

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Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: Gobble4me757] #2273866
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Someone remind me how many snaps Tua took against FSU and TAMU...the only games in which Bama's offense has come close to "struggling"?


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Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: hunterbuck] #2274092
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Someone remind me how many snaps Tua took against FSU and TAMU...the only games in which Bama's offense has come close to "struggling"?


Both of those games are L's without the defense playing lights out.Check Jalens stats on that FSU game.

Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: Gobble4me757] #2274093
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53 of that 96 was 1 play.

Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: bmc77] #2274137
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Originally Posted By: bmc77


53 of that 96 was 1 play.


Which furthers my point. If Jalen was struggling sooooooo bad, why wasn't Tua brought in?

Saban sees these guys in practice every single day. Do you think he's not playing the guy who gives him the best chance to win? If not, what makes you think you know more than he does?


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Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: Gobble4me757] #2274159
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Why would you bring in a true freshman when the QB you have has a TD pass, hasn't thrown an interception or trailed in the game and is doing what you want which is ball control and not have turnovers.

You bring in Tua and who knows what happens. Maybe he does like Jalen last year and puts it on the ground first snap. What happens then when FSU drives it down for a score and you're down 14-10?


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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
I just saw a picture of Tau, Tony Brown and little brother Tags after the Tennessee game. Tau and Tony had on cleats and Tags had sneakers on, Tags was an inch or so taller even with the sneakers, not that an inch or two in height makes a lot of difference. Tags has said he will attend Bama.


You mean this one? [img:left]https://imgur.com/a/mvrMV[/img]

Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: hunterbuck] #2274207
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: bmc77


53 of that 96 was 1 play.


Which furthers my point. If Jalen was struggling sooooooo bad, why wasn't Tua brought in?

Saban sees these guys in practice every single day. Do you think he's not playing the guy who gives him the best chance to win? If not, what makes you think you know more than he does?



No,I don't know more than he does but I've seen what happens when Jalen faces a solid defense.When Aub,GA stuff that running game we'll see if a move is made and we'll bring this thread back up how about that.

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Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: Gobble4me757] #2274301
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If Tau played a good defense he would throw several pics. Hurts is the only starter on the team.

Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: Gobble4me757] #2274392
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I don't see Saban benching Hurts, but I can tell by the recievers reactions in the game that they get frustrated with Hurts throwing balls into the dirt, over throwing, underthrowing, and generally not accurate passes.Watch the receivers this next game and see if they aren't throwing their hands all over the place in aggrevation after bad passes from Hurts.

With all of that Said Recievers are usually a Whiney bunch anyways.

Hurts can make up for his lack of passing with one or 2 long yardage scrambles-which alot of the times end in a score.

Either way, we will definitely see if Hurts can stretch the field with his arm in the coming weeks. He will be tested by some stout defenses.


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Originally Posted By: Ben2
If Tau played a good defense he would throw several pics. Hurts is the only starter on the team.


Maybe so. It still aggrevates me that Hurts wants to hold onto the ball. Sometimes, especially on play action, he needs to just chunk the damn thing and trust that Ridley or whoever will outrun the defender.


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Originally Posted By: Ben2
If Tau played a good defense he would throw several pics. Hurts is the only starter on the team.


I would figure TAU has to practice against a pretty good defense week end and week out.


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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
Originally Posted By: Ben2
If Tau played a good defense he would throw several pics. Hurts is the only starter on the team.


I would figure TAU has to practice against a pretty good defense week end and week out.


Yep...and he probably throws several picks in practice every week.

We all see Tua's talent at spinning the ball. It jumps out at you. But, we see it in games only...after the first string guys have absolutely raped, brutalized, and demoralized the other teams' defenses. Saban sees it every day in practice. Saban is paid to win football games, and will play whoever gives Bama the best opportunity to win.

We all see the frustration the receivers display when Jalen skips one to them. But, Jalen makes GOOD DECISIONS with the ball, and Tua probably just isn't there yet. Example of this? The pick 6 he threw against UT. Saban talked about it during the SEC Film Room on SEC Network. Said that in that situation, with a guy in the back of the end zone, you want to miss high to where either your guy gets it, or it's an overthrow. If the receiver had been at the front of the end zone, Saban said you want to throw low, where only your guy can get to it as well. Tua missed low to a guy in the back of the end zone, and threw a pick that was returned for a td.

Saban knows he has a beast of a team. He also knows that mistakes will do more to lose a game than most anything else. He's playing the guy he has the most confidence in to not make those mistakes.


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Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: Ben2] #2274531
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Originally Posted By: Ben2
If Tau played a good defense he would throw several pics. Hurts is the only starter on the team.

And how do you know this?


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Re: Hurts vs Tua [Re: hunterbuck] #2274570
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
Originally Posted By: Ben2
If Tau played a good defense he would throw several pics. Hurts is the only starter on the team.


I would figure TAU has to practice against a pretty good defense week end and week out.


Yep...and he probably throws several picks in practice every week.

We all see Tua's talent at spinning the ball. It jumps out at you. But, we see it in games only...after the first string guys have absolutely raped, brutalized, and demoralized the other teams' defenses. Saban sees it every day in practice. Saban is paid to win football games, and will play whoever gives Bama the best opportunity to win.

We all see the frustration the receivers display when Jalen skips one to them. But, Jalen makes GOOD DECISIONS with the ball, and Tua probably just isn't there yet. Example of this? The pick 6 he threw against UT. Saban talked about it during the SEC Film Room on SEC Network. Said that in that situation, with a guy in the back of the end zone, you want to miss high to where either your guy gets it, or it's an overthrow. If the receiver had been at the front of the end zone, Saban said you want to throw low, where only your guy can get to it as well. Tua missed low to a guy in the back of the end zone, and threw a pick that was returned for a td.

Saban knows he has a beast of a team. He also knows that mistakes will do more to lose a game than most anything else. He's playing the guy he has the most confidence in to not make those mistakes.


I call bullsh*t on this, Jalen starts out of respect for the experience and game management he has shown.He SHOULD be the starter until he can't get it done.Alabana has yet to play a defense that can go toe to toe 4 qtrs.But it's on the way because in November the chit is gonna hit the fan.There will be a time perhaps even in the LSU game where Jalen has less than a 100 yards passing in the 2nd half and is just holding the ball. What will happen then?There are a half dozen 5 star receivers on this team and Ridley is the only one used by Jalen game in game out.The proof will be in the pudding,Alabama will need some down field passing against LSU,MSU, and damn sure will need it versus AUB and GA.

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Does Auburn have a ground or passing game? Does Georgia have anything but a ground game? Who has both that are effective?


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Originally Posted By: deadeye48
Does Auburn have a ground or passing game? Does Georgia have anything but a ground game? Who has both that are effective?


They both have a top notch defense.Y'all sleep on Auburn all you want to but let'em hit a deep ball to Hastings early and get the crowd in it,it'll be a chit storm for 3 hours.Y'all have a short memory.I don't think Ga's offense would be effective against Bama.

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