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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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10/23/17 02:56 AM
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That went into effect last July and it was not an EO. It was widely publicized months in advance and folks flooded the ATF with Trust purchases before it went into effect so that their trustees didn't have to go thru the background check.
I don't like it either but I'm out of the game now anyway.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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10/23/17 03:21 AM
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That's why i done mine near the end of June (last year) before the laws went into effect....
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom?
Everyone. All of them...
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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10/23/17 03:39 AM
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Well, what they didn't do was change anything on adding or subtracting a trustee after a NFA item is owned by the trust.
If the trust only has one Trustee at the time of application, there's nothing that says (to my understanding) that a trustee or trustees can't be added later without performing a background check. Once approved for a tax stamp, always approved, even if the individuals on the trust change. In AL, trusts are not filed with the state, so what happens to changes is between the trustees and is nobody's business, except when you apply for another NFA item.
Therefore, technically, only one person has to be fingerprinted on a trust application if you plan ahead. You still cannot add a prohibited person to a trust at a later date, as that would be a BAD idea and put all NFA items in jeopardy.
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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10/23/17 11:57 AM
10/23/17 11:57 AM
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I just went the stamp route. Didn't want to fool with the trust
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
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10/25/17 07:53 AM
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Well, what they didn't do was change anything on adding or subtracting a trustee after a NFA item is owned by the trust.
If the trust only has one Trustee at the time of application, there's nothing that says (to my understanding) that a trustee or trustees can't be added later without performing a background check. Once approved for a tax stamp, always approved, even if the individuals on the trust change. In AL, trusts are not filed with the state, so what happens to changes is between the trustees and is nobody's business, except when you apply for another NFA item.
Therefore, technically, only one person has to be fingerprinted on a trust application if you plan ahead. You still cannot add a prohibited person to a trust at a later date, as that would be a BAD idea and put all NFA items in jeopardy. This is spot on. If you don't already have a trust, just put you on it. Once you get approved, amend the trust and add whoever you like.
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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10/25/17 09:00 AM
10/25/17 09:00 AM
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Technically, if you do have a trust already established, I understand there is no rule or law that would prevent you from from removing members from the trust for a short period of time, either. You can always add them back later with their signature on a single page stating as much. Makes for more amendments to the trust, though.
With that said, because of the fluidity of a trust, llc, corporation, etc, the background check is silly for an entity.
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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10/25/17 09:43 AM
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Aight, guess I'm going the "I'm gonna ask legal advise here" route. I formed the trust, not to circumvent any policies...but to make it where my cuz or I could use the suppressor without the other being there. We're both trustees with the trust owning the can. If I understood it correctly, if I owned the can, I would have to be present when it was in operation? He has a copy of the trust papers and stamp...so he can use the can without me being there. This just happened to get done before the rules changed, I guess. Now, the trust is gonna buy another can (or I should say, the trust has bought another can)...but we have to jump thru all those new rules to even apply for the stamp? Should I just apply in my name at this time?
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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10/25/17 10:41 AM
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1.Yes
2.Yes (as I understand the new rules)
3.That's your option. Just don't get the cans mixed up and let your cousin have possession of the Individual Form 4 can without you being within arms reach of it/him.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
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11/08/17 11:59 AM
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Got all info and Form 4 sent off. The wait begins. First suppressor stamp application was a 8-9month wait. If what I'm reading on nfatrackerdotcom is correct...I'm in for a 12-14month wait this time. Ugh. I did read where they had whittled the ind application time down to about 5 months...and that they were taking resources and moving to trust applications. Maybe they'll get them caught up!
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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11/08/17 02:56 PM
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Got mine yesterday. Only 4 month wait. Shot it and really like it.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
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11/08/17 04:48 PM
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Yes. At mikes gun and pawn down in your town. Was super shocked when I got the call Monday pm.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: 257wbymag]
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11/08/17 05:06 PM
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Got mine yesterday. Only 4 month wait. Shot it and really like it.  That's amazing! I never had an approval in less than 9 months. My first 3 Form 4s went in all at the same time and took 13 months.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: suppressor/trust rules
[Re: gman]
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11/08/17 05:20 PM
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They said I was pretty much an outlier. I'm tickled to death. Shot my 308 yesterday no ear phones. Shooting my 150 ttsx handloads super good.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
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