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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2232809
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If the seed doesn't make dirt contact, but lays on top of dead weeds, will they still germinate?



No, not really…..For best results you really need the seed right down on the soil surface or very, very close. Seeds have a little bit of stored energy in them and as long as they stay moist they’ll send out a little root searching for a place to take hold. You don’t want that little root to have to search very far. I broadcast clover and brassicas over the top of thatch because they're so small that the rain will work them down to the soil. Cereal grain though really need to be placed under the thatch somehow. It’s not hard to do though. Even if you already have thatch on the ground….a drag of some kind is enough to agitate seed down into it and get it covered over.

On a side note to this conversation……one of the benefits of not tilling is that you leave old root systems in place from the last crop that the new seedling roots can follow down into the ground. It’s easier for them and takes less energy to follow the old root channels than for them to forge new ones. These channels are also lined with decomposing OM and nutrients…….You don’t have to “break the soil up” when roots have already done it for you. One of the main foundation principles of soil health is keeping a living root growing. They serve a purpose sort of like the 2X4 studs in your walls…..They help maintain the structure of the soil and the “tilth”. Soil is not meant to be a tightly compacted together wad. It’s supposed to be porous….

thanks for experience, and advice.


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Originally Posted By: fireman176
I have sprayed fields 4 weeks ago and got a good kill, except blackberry briars are yellowed. If the seed doesn't make dirt contact, but lays on top of dead weeds, will they still germinate?
what type cereal grain works best? I thought about some Buck Forage Oats and maybe turnips and clover.


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Wheat, grain rye and tricticale have worked best for me.


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I'm new to the Throw n Mow and looking for a little hand holding. I have some food plots in LA close to the Florida line. They were planted last fall with the usual deer mix of wheat, oats, rye and crimson clover. They have not been touched all year. How do I get started. Seed and drag? Seed and mow? What should I plant? I was planning on bush hogging this weekend and spraying in a week or so but came across this. Give me some help please.

Thanks for the Help.

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Originally Posted By: Dean
I'm new to the Throw n Mow and looking for a little hand holding. I have some food plots in LA close to the Florida line. They were planted last fall with the usual deer mix of wheat, oats, rye and crimson clover. They have not been touched all year. How do I get started. Seed and drag? Seed and mow? What should I plant? I was planning on bush hogging this weekend and spraying in a week or so but came across this. Give me some help please.

Thanks for the Help.




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Originally Posted By: leroycnbucks
Originally Posted By: Dean
I'm new to the Throw n Mow and looking for a little hand holding. I have some food plots in LA close to the Florida line. They were planted last fall with the usual deer mix of wheat, oats, rye and crimson clover. They have not been touched all year. How do I get started. Seed and drag? Seed and mow? What should I plant? I was planning on bush hogging this weekend and spraying in a week or so but came across this. Give me some help please.

Thanks for the Help.



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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2233334
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Spray your field wait till next week seed the plot then mow over it. With the temps you have down that far I would definitely want to spray.


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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: Turkey_neck] #2233545
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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Spray your field wait till next week seed the plot then mow over it. With the temps you have down that far I would definitely want to spray.


I agree with Turkey_neck......There's a few variations of it but this will be the simplest one that'll keep chances low of something going wrong. Be sure to mow your field so that it looks "neat". Don't leave wind rows and piles. You want everything spread out as evenly as possible. Cereal rye is a good option for seed....


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CNC your plots looking great per the usual.

Quick comment on the cereal rye discussion. Love that stuff. We have stopped planting it on initial planting, but is our overseed of choice. Dry spell, hog rooting, or other failure we overseed with the rye before a rain and we are good to go. I think overseeded with it twice last year because of the drought.

Been busy this week and haven't checked in. Came to the same conclusion on spraying as others commented, letting it ride. Deer will eat the weeds and frost will get them regardless.

I'm pleased as punch at the progress. Got 2.5 inches from Harvey (per my uncle up the road), 2 inches from Irma, and a good .5 inch yesterday that I wasn't expecting but thankful I got it because looks pretty dry next couple three weeks.

Wheat and Oats doing well. I've tried winter peas in the past but never had any success, got them everywhere in this plot. I'll be back out Sunday to check up again.

Picts from last Sunday.






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I sprayed two weeks ago. I didn't get a good as of a kill as I have the last couple years but still not bad. Spread seed on all my plots. Went back got tractor to mow and had a major hydraulic leak on both hitch cylinders. I made some calls and have someone coming next Saturday 9/30 to mow. Will the seed be okay or have I just wasted $400 of seed. Thank you all in advance

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Originally Posted By: Slughunter
CNC your plots looking great per the usual.


Thanks!....Same back to you. Nice looking field! thumbup


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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: AandW] #2233850
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Originally Posted By: AandW
I sprayed two weeks ago. I didn't get a good as of a kill as I have the last couple years but still not bad. Spread seed on all my plots. Went back got tractor to mow and had a major hydraulic leak on both hitch cylinders. I made some calls and have someone coming next Saturday 9/30 to mow. Will the seed be okay or have I just wasted $400 of seed. Thank you all in advance


Hard to say on that one......If you have thick vegetation standing in the fields then maybe that helped keep the turkeys and other birds out of it. Let us know what you find....It may even be sprouted if you've had any rain.


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I do have lots of vegetation I almost all. We got some rain yesterday right after planting. Even if it sprouts some, would the mowing hurt it? It has to be mowed either way. I just hate the idea of it being a waste of a lot of money (to me anyways).

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Originally Posted By: AandW
I do have lots of vegetation I almost all. We got some rain yesterday right after planting. Even if it sprouts some, would the mowing hurt it? It has to be mowed either way. I just hate the idea of it being a waste of a lot of money (to me anyways).



I don't think it will. I think you should be fine to mow.


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Thanks for the replies and advice. I'm going to spray the fields tomorrow. Do you put your fertilized out at the same time you throw the seed. Or do you wait until after you mow and then throw the fertilized.

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Originally Posted By: Dean
Thanks for the replies and advice. I'm going to spray the fields tomorrow. Do you put your fertilized out at the same time you throw the seed. Or do you wait until after you mow and then throw the fertilized.


Either way....doesn't really matter.


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Originally Posted By: CNC
Originally Posted By: Dean
Thanks for the replies and advice. I'm going to spray the fields tomorrow. Do you put your fertilized out at the same time you throw the seed. Or do you wait until after you mow and then throw the fertilized.


Either way....doesn't really matter.


Thanks.

I've got 4 plots I'm going to do two 1/2 acre and two 1 acre. I sprayed the fields and my plan is to spread the seed and mow then come back with the fertilizer. What is a good go to mix for this first try?

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Originally Posted By: Dean
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Thanks for the replies and advice. I'm going to spray the fields tomorrow. Do you put your fertilized out at the same time you throw the seed. Or do you wait until after you mow and then throw the fertilized.


Either way....doesn't really matter.


Thanks.

I've got 4 plots I'm going to do two 1/2 acre and two 1 acre. I sprayed the fields and my plan is to spread the seed and mow then come back with the fertilizer. What is a good go to mix for this first try?


Hard to go wrong with cereal rye and crimson clover.....Make sure its "cereal rye" and NOT ryegrass.


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Cereal rye, turnips, clover........Grass, broadleaf, legume......



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