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Re: The Ark? [Re: jbc] #2229821
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Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: deadeye48
There were two floods. One was preAdam. Two was the flood of Noahs day and the dino's lived both times and were brought onto the ark in Noahs day


What killed them?


The preAdam flood the first time.
Then after the flood of Noah it would fall partly on mankind and if you have read Herodotus, he said he witnessed the Ibis in Egypt eating smaller flying serpents so other animals played a part.


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Originally Posted By: jbc
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Can do.
My stance is the dino's lived with mankind before and after adam.
Hows that?


I thought the whole point of arguing they lived with man was to fit the narrative of god creating Adam and then animals. (Or simultaneously)


but to dismiss our ancient historians isn't a good thing


We don't need ancient historians when Paula from Bristol Rhode Island is seeing 15' Pterodactyls while on her smoke break in 2001


Yeah yeah I know the fossil record says it all


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Re: The Ark? [Re: perchjerker] #2229824
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Ever wonder what the family lineages were for in scripture? I suggest as much as anything they are for what I call "proof". Use them as cross-references for factual verification of other biblical accounts, BUT MORESO AS A TIMELINE. Look, that's how scholars determine that Christ lived about 2,000 years ago, and also how they trace backwards 4,000 years before that to Adam. On those matters I don't think you can debate with any fidelity. But that's not the big deal to me...

Frankly I don't know why it would be important to someone for the earth to be "billions / millions" of years old unless you are trying to make scripture mesh with manmade science??? Remember, the same scientists who tout "millions of years" also tout manmade global warming. Seriously, the same carbon dating method they use to come up with the millions of years, dates KNOWN-age objects as millions of years old. But I digress. Even the evolutionary scientists themselves admit that the reason they say "millions of years" is because evolution doesn't work any other way. You know, nobody has ever seen a monkey become a person, so apparently the way it happens is it takes millions of years.

Obviously I'm a young-earth creationist. I do think it matters. Not because young or old makes any physical difference, but because it can't be both, somebody is wrong. And I believe every sentence in scripture has equal worth and weight, it DOES matter what you believe about creation!! The fundamental tool of Satan is to undermine God's word... "Did God really say...?" One of my gravest concerns is the differing "translations" of men. I don't believe YOU translate scripture, I believe the Holy Spirit illuminates it to you, and He isn't going to show you one thing and me another. Plus I do NOT see the debate from scripture??? The same word "day" used in the Genesis creation account is the same word used all throughout scripture for a literal DAY. Not to mention it says "AND DAYLIGHT AND DARK WAS THE 1st DAY (and 2nd, 3rd, etc)". So again, unless you are trusting man and doubting God---you are refusing to refute man's science---why is this a debate for you?


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Re: The Ark? [Re: ikillbux] #2229826
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux

I don't believe YOU translate scripture, I believe the Holy Spirit illuminates it to you, and He isn't going to show you one thing and me another.


You must have missed the other religious threads of past debates


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Re: The Ark? [Re: deadeye48] #2229827
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Why would there even be a debate whether or not dinosaurs were on the ark because there is nothing definitive in scripture concerning the animals on there. Didn't Marco Polo write about seeing large flying reptiles ??


I don't know about Marco Polo, but many a mariner did write about seeing Mermaids.

Dinosaurs predated man by millions of years. No overlap. You're right, it's not really a debate.


You do know there are cave drawings depicting dinosaur like animals and there is a dry riverbed in (Texas) i think ...it has fossilized human and dinosaur tracks in it?


There are also human and dinosaur fossils in the same fossil beds found relatively close together. The whole argument of evolutionists is that different strata mean different time periods. There is evidence all over the world to debunk that but it's still taught to our kids regardless. An example would be fossilized trees going through multiple layers of strata (supposed millions of years worth) upside down with the roots facing upward. These have been found in multiple places around the world but you see a picture of one in a science book because it doesn't fit their agenda.

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Originally Posted By: AUstan23

Originally Posted By: deadeye48
There were two floods. One was preAdam. Two was the flood of Noahs day and the dino's lived both times and were brought onto the ark in Noahs day


I have a hard time believing all of the animals of today plus their food and water and Noah's party fit on the Ark. Add all of the dinosaurs (sauropods especially large) and then we're going off the deep end.

If a person walked up to you off the street and tried to explain that under a different guise, would you buy it?


Especially since it was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet tall.

Re: The Ark? [Re: jbc] #2229829
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Originally Posted By: jbc
What killed them?


I believe it was most likely the cald..........


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Re: The Ark? [Re: westflgator] #2229831
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Originally Posted By: westflgator
Originally Posted By: deadeye48

Originally Posted By: Remington270
Originally Posted By: deadeye48
Why would there even be a debate whether or not dinosaurs were on the ark because there is nothing definitive in scripture concerning the animals on there. Didn't Marco Polo write about seeing large flying reptiles ??


I don't know about Marco Polo, but many a mariner did write about seeing Mermaids.

Dinosaurs predated man by millions of years. No overlap. You're right, it's not really a debate.


You do know there are cave drawings depicting dinosaur like animals and there is a dry riverbed in (Texas) i think ...it has fossilized human and dinosaur tracks in it?


There are also human and dinosaur fossils in the same fossil beds found relatively close together. The whole argument of evolutionists is that different strata mean different time periods. There is evidence all over the world to debunk that but it's still taught to our kids regardless. An example would be fossilized trees going through multiple layers of strata (supposed millions of years worth) upside down with the roots facing upward. These have been found in multiple places around the world but you see a picture of one in a science book because it doesn't fit their agenda.


Link?

Re: The Ark? [Re: deadeye48] #2229835
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Originally Posted By: deadeye48
There were two floods. One was preAdam. Two was the flood of Noahs day and the dino's lived both times and were brought onto the ark in Noahs day


where did the two floods stance come from? I've never heard that position before.


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Re: The Ark? [Re: perchjerker] #2229842
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Everyone. All of them...

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Re: The Ark? [Re: perchjerker] #2229850
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You've never heard of the time gap theory between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 ?
Gen1:1 In the beginning God created heaven and earth..STOP..its done creation has happened now Gen 1:2 and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the waters.
God is perfect and everything he does is perfect right? Then why would the earth having been created not be perfect or are we reading a recreation taking place during Gen 1:2. lets jump to Gen 1:28 God says to man to multiply and REplenish the earth...you see that RE. you know what that means??


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Originally Posted By: deadeye48
You've never heard of the time gap theory between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 ?
Gen1:1 In the beginning God created heaven and earth..STOP..its done creation has happened now Gen 1:2 and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the waters.
God is perfect and everything he does is perfect right? Then why would the earth having been created not be perfect or are we reading a recreation taking place during Gen 1:2. lets jump to Gen 1:28 God says to man to multiply and REplenish the earth...you see that RE. you know what that means??


So there were people before Adam and Eve? They died in a flood. Then Adam and Eve replenished the Earth? Then Noah, flood, everyone dies again, Noah party replenish the Earth again? I got that right?


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Sorry, I'm still obsessed with pterodactyls still being here

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Originally Posted By: AUstan23

Originally Posted By: deadeye48
You've never heard of the time gap theory between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 ?
Gen1:1 In the beginning God created heaven and earth..STOP..its done creation has happened now Gen 1:2 and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the waters.
God is perfect and everything he does is perfect right? Then why would the earth having been created not be perfect or are we reading a recreation taking place during Gen 1:2. lets jump to Gen 1:28 God says to man to multiply and REplenish the earth...you see that RE. you know what that means??


So there were people before Adam and Eve? They died in a flood. Then Adam and Eve replenished the Earth? Then Noah, flood, everyone dies again, Noah party replenish the Earth again? I got that right?


Exactly


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Originally Posted By: jbc
Sorry, I'm still obsessed with pterodactyls still being here


I thought you would be grin


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Re: The Ark? [Re: deadeye48] #2229865
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Originally Posted By: deadeye48

Originally Posted By: AUstan23

Originally Posted By: deadeye48
You've never heard of the time gap theory between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 ?
Gen1:1 In the beginning God created heaven and earth..STOP..its done creation has happened now Gen 1:2 and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the waters.
God is perfect and everything he does is perfect right? Then why would the earth having been created not be perfect or are we reading a recreation taking place during Gen 1:2. lets jump to Gen 1:28 God says to man to multiply and REplenish the earth...you see that RE. you know what that means??


So there were people before Adam and Eve? They died in a flood. Then Adam and Eve replenished the Earth? Then Noah, flood, everyone dies again, Noah party replenish the Earth again? I got that right?


Exactly


Ok yea that is a new one for me then. Can you expound on that further? Like who these people were before Adam and Eve? Only Adam and Eve survived the first flood? Or were they new creations?


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Originally Posted By: deadeye48
There were two floods. One was preAdam.


Say what?


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Re: The Ark? [Re: perchjerker] #2229870
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"Then after the flood of Noah it would fall partly on mankind and if you have read Herodotus, he said he witnessed the Ibis in Egypt eating smaller flying serpents so other animals played a part."

So you're saying Noah was taking LSD, PCP, Meth???? slap
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I wish I could explain about the people before Adam but I can say that EZE 28:13-17 speaks of Lucifer being in the garden of eden, so he had to fall prior to that right? so when? ISA 14:12-16 The word Lucifer means light bearer. It was the steward over the Kingdom of heaven and earth and was the apparently source of light for the earth.


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Originally Posted By: perchjerker
"Then after the flood of Noah it would fall partly on mankind and if you have read Herodotus, he said he witnessed the Ibis in Egypt eating smaller flying serpents so other animals played a part."

So you're saying Noah was taking LSD, PCP, Meth???? slap
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