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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: Remington270] #2198954
08/18/17 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Remington270
Originally Posted By: Bait57
It is my personal opinion that a "parent" would never "forget" about the a child in a vehicle. It makes no difference if it's out of their "routine" or not. An excuse is not good enough for just plain murder.

There is not an excuse in the world that can justify it. Just like anybody else that hurts child, death.


So every person whose kid drowns in a swimming pool is also a murderer? Because it's so easy to avoid, it should never ever ever happen right? No room for error right? Same thing.

But, for you, there's no gray area, instant death penalty for the parent. Just doesn't make sense to me.




As I said, it's my opinion. And no there is no excuse for leaving a child in a car. I didn't mention anything else other than leaving a child in a car now did I?
I'm a parent of three. And I have never even came close to forgetting one of my children. So if you don't like my opinion fine. It doesn't bother me any. But there is no excuse for a child being left in a car.


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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2198957
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Not trying to excuse it but let me ask you this. How many of you have ever had something in your mind, or were preoccupied, to the point that you couldn't even remember driving for several miles of a stretch of road. You missed your turn and drove several miles before you realized it. Technology doesn't help because we are pretty much reachable 24/7. I know with my job, I'll have construction crews calling me sometimes starting at 5:00 a.m. If there is a problem on a job they'll call me constantly, or the customer will, until I can get there or get someone there. It would be very easy for a child in a car seat to go to sleep, and in a situation like that or one similar, to drive right past daycare or whatever. Especially if it isn't your normal routine. I'm not saying it excuses it, or makes it okay. Just saying not every person that does it is a criminal. Mistakes happen. Very sad situation, whatever the circumstances.

I can tell you this. If it were to happen to me, I wouldn't even fight it in court. Give me the death penalty and let's get it over with. I couldn't live with myself.

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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2198960
08/18/17 01:31 PM
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Even if it's outside your normal routine wouldn't that make a person more attentive? Yes.

I know accidents happen. But forgetting the most important thing in a parents life is no excuse.


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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2198972
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My kids, when they were young, were the most important thing in my life. People today that forget about their children, are too preoccupied with themselves.


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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: Remington270] #2198985
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Originally Posted By: Remington270
Originally Posted By: Bait57
It is my personal opinion that a "parent" would never "forget" about the a child in a vehicle. It makes no difference if it's out of their "routine" or not. An excuse is not good enough for just plain murder.

There is not an excuse in the world that can justify it. Just like anybody else that hurts child, death.


So every person whose kid drowns in a swimming pool is also a murderer? Because it's so easy to avoid, it should never ever ever happen right? No room for error right? Same thing.

But, for you, there's no gray area, instant death penalty for the parent. Just doesn't make sense to me.



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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: IDOT] #2199020
08/18/17 02:48 PM
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I don't get it, when my daughter was younger and napped in the car seat we would leave her in there at the house with the truck running, but we constantly checked on her to see if she was awake. I've never forgotten my child was in the vehicle

Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: IDOT] #2199049
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with all the modern technology someone smarter than me should be able to make an app for a phone that you download if you have kids. after your car cuts off it alarms you when temps have reached set degree. i am sure someone would make a nice profit off of this. and hopefully save some lives.

Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2199050
08/18/17 03:23 PM
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It's about focus and priorities. When both parents are focused on a career and are hot swapping the nurturing phase these are the type things that happen. Somebody has to stay focused on the kids as their primary function. Sorry if that gives some heartburn but there are no accidents only screw ups!


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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2199058
08/18/17 03:27 PM
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No quail. they are on the phone. It's just like them driving on the interstate 35 miles an hour because they are consumed by their conversation. You can bet if phones didn't work when a car was moving it would save a lot of lives. I imagine they are in a conversation and get out of the car oblivious to the fact their child is with them.


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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: perchjerker] #2199084
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I guess I'm old school like you Perch, When I was growing up never ever heard of anything like that. People now days are so distracted with facebook and all that crap. We didn't have none of that stuff or cell phones in the 60's. People are so obsessed with there phone its crazy. I have one for travel but they can have the rest of that.

Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2199274
08/18/17 06:15 PM
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I never heard of anything like it growing up either. And neither have my parents.


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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2199279
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Breaks my heart to hear it. Can't imagine losing a child, especially if it was my actions that caused it. Praying for this family. It is easy to blame and I can't understand it either, but if it was an honest mistake, only God can bring peace to this individual and I pray He will.

Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: GomerPyle] #2199303
08/19/17 12:41 AM
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Speaking of folks being to busy.I have thought about this many times also not only pertaining to these type of things but in general.

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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: CrimsonWSM] #2199334
08/19/17 02:52 AM
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From what I've read and they are keeping information to themselves, it was a daycare van and not the parents vehicle. Daycare workers were reported to have been heard saying not to talk to the press and we're not going down for this.


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Re: 3 Year Old Girl left in van in Pensacola [Re: dagwood] #2199355
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All these stories break my heart. I never forgot my kids were in a vehicle with me, and I don't think I could ever forget my grandchildren either, but I've done absent minded stuff before and I can understand how some of these cases happen. I once started filling the bathtub and decided to start a printing job on the computer while waiting. Had trouble with the printer, forgot the bath, and flooded the bathroom. The result was not a tragedy, but it was very embarrassing and helps me understand how someone like the Dr mentioned above could do such a thing.

I think the primary reason we never heard of such cases years ago is there were no car seats. Babies had to be held by someone when traveling, and children had the run of the vehicle. My mother never left us locked in a car, but I can remember her leaving us in the car when she went into a store to make a quick purchase. We weren't in danger of suffocating because the windows were down; our vehicles never had AC. And even if we had been locked in the car, we could have banged on the windows and gotten someone's attention - we weren't locked down in a car seat because they didn't exist.

I'm sure that statistically car seats save the lives of more kids than they kill, but I think they are sometimes a factor in their deaths too.


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