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Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172545
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I'm an Alabama fan and can't find it in me to care. I'm neutral on OM but this does appear bad. Its between OM and Freeze/Freeze and family. I have enough of my own problems to think much of it and am just ready for Sept. 2 and our first frost

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172560
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I don't care per say. But I do find it interesting that one who claims to be a Christian would shame Christianity as much as he did. Every chance he got, including last week at SEC media days, he said he had to live his life that is pleasing to God. When asked about his legacy, he said he only cared about leaving a legacy for those closest to him...his family.

I disagree with Straycat. I cannot say with certainty that he is a Christian. I have my doubts but that isn't for me to decide. Everyone screws up but he portrayed a false image all the while doing it. At least Tiger Woods didn't shame Christians and Christianity.

I also find it interesting that he would throw away a 18 million dollar contract for some side action. That is just plain ignorant.

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172574
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As said on here again and again. "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" Freeze got caught with his hand in the cookie jar in more than one way. To compete in the SEC, you've got to be disciplined enough to eat just one cookie at a time and make sure nobody is watching when you do. Freeze jumped in the jar and started eating in front of a crowd. Like someone said, get a couple bi time recruits and slowly build things up over a several year period. You cant go from being "nothing" to recruiting nothing but 5 stars in a 2 year period without raising some eyebrows and drawing a bunch of attention to your team.

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172579
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Something just seems fishy about the whole thing to me. I'm going to wait until Freeze gets a chance to tell his side of the story. I'm hoping for his family's sake that there's more to the story


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Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: Phil_Army] #2172594
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Originally Posted By: Phil_Army
Something just seems fishy about the whole thing to me. I'm going to wait until Freeze gets a chance to tell his side of the story. I'm hoping for his family's sake that there's more to the story


Oh; I expect there is more to the story, but not good.

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172600
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Everyone screws up but he portrayed a false image all the while doing it. At least Tiger Woods didn't shame Christians and Christianity. 


Hugh Freeze didn't shame Christians or Christianity. Christians know that sin is very real, a spiritual battle is being waged, and unless you stand firm you will stumble. Freeze shamed his family, friends, players, fans and himself on a personal level. Not just shame but real hurt and harm. I'll give you this though: His work for Christ has been negated now...a big deal because he was a role model. Christ still loves him and will forgive him if he is repentant in his heart. That's what really matters here.

Tiger Woods isn't a Christian at all with serious eternal consequences. So somehow that's better? Logical disconnect.


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Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: Phil_Army] #2172619
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Originally Posted By: Phil_Army
Something just seems fishy about the whole thing to me. I'm going to wait until Freeze gets a chance to tell his side of the story. I'm hoping for his family's sake that there's more to the story



That's the same thing Gov Bentley said


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Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172663
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I know Hugh freezes nephew and cousin. Let's just say this must run in the family.


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Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: 257wbymag] #2172677
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
I know Hugh freezes nephew and cousin. Let's just say this must run in the family.



My granddaddy was a nut, when I was 18, he told me....."Son, always be aware of the power of pussy". Ive alway thought about that, it has taken many of man down!!


Lone Watie: I'm glad you stopped me when you did. I might have killed her
Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172714
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I agree you can recruit without out cheating and get good players at some schools. Ole Miss isn't one of them. Don't kid yourself. They never had even a good recruiting class before Freeze. They were not recruiting kids like Tunsel and Kamdiwhateverhisname on the awesome campus. Anyone who still clings to the thoughts freeze didn't know about the cheating is lying to themselves. He knew exactly what was going on and he brought it with him. Go back to the real story about Michael Oher, not the movie version and you will see he would do anything to win.

I have a very good friend who was a DB at Ole Miss. he was roommates with the new interim coach. He told me months ago that the NCAA investigation wasn't going to end well for Ole Miss.

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Just heard a report that they have uncovered a girlfriend that worked in the athletic department.

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: pcamper] #2172781
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Originally Posted By: pcamper

Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
I know Hugh freezes nephew and cousin. Let's just say this must run in the family.



My granddaddy was a nut, when I was 18, he told me....."Son, always be aware of the power of pussy". Ive alway thought about that, it has taken many of man down!!


"Half the money, and all the pussy,.... which means sooner or later, you'll get all the money"

Is what a wise man once told me about women

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172866
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Just further proof that some people can't deal with fame and money. Personally, I couldn't care less about the fame but I would like the challenge of staying a decent person with a load of money.


Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: jawbone] #2172875
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Originally Posted By: jawbone
Just further proof that some people can't deal with fame and money. Personally, I could NOT care less about the fame but I would like the challenge of staying a decent person with a load of money.


^^

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: pcamper] #2172889
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Originally Posted By: pcamper

My granddaddy was a nut, when I was 18, he told me....."Son, always be aware of the power of pussy". Ive alway thought about that, it has taken many of man down!!


Pu$$y is the undefeated champion of the world.

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: straycat] #2172915
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Originally Posted By: straycat
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Everyone screws up but he portrayed a false image all the while doing it. At least Tiger Woods didn't shame Christians and Christianity. 


Hugh Freeze didn't shame Christians or Christianity. Christians know that sin is very real, a spiritual battle is being waged, and unless you stand firm you will stumble.

Tiger Woods isn't a Christian at all with serious eternal consequences. So somehow that's better?.


I get all that. And I think we are saying kind of the same thing. My point was that it isn't a good look when one of your public leaders screws up. See the catholic priests for reference.

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: straycat] #2173000
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Originally Posted By: straycat
We all know some recruiting violations and some illegal benefits occurred by boosters and lower level coaching staff. No doubt and punishment fitting the violations is appropriate.

But the sentiment that Ole Miss couldn't get high level recruits without paying high school players to sign or some top secret cash system in place once they enrolled is in my opinion, unfounded, and seems like pride getting in the way of facts. Some school other than the expected schools doing well...some people can't stand.

Freeze and his staff were excellent recruiters. Ole Miss has a lot to offer as far as school and campus life. Play in SEC west against best competition in the nation, play early, path to NFL, etc... And that has nothing to do with cheating. We've all seen schools make coaching changes and see immediate huge upswings in recruiting. Some people have it.

Ole Miss rule breaking: Stupid, wrong and unnecessary. We'll get punished severely. Did Freeze really promote this culture or turn a blind eye? None of us really actually know. More truth will eventually come out on this.

Freeze and the escorts...well I'll be honest-I'm very very disappointed. I don't know what is true or speculation but the truth will eventually come out too. If any of the allegations are true, he damaged his family, players and the University...and he needed to leave.

Freeze is a Christian. Freeze is also a sinner, like we all are. His dark secrets are his sin nature left unchecked and unchanged. Simply wrong on many levels. Some people though are loving, seriously giddy, that a professed Christian rival coach who publicly shares his faith has stumbled and fallen. I think that is shameful and wrong thinking. Don't get me wrong...no excuse for the wrongdoing by Freeze, but enjoying someone's downfall is 100% pathetic.

One truth in this: Light ALWAYS exposes the darkness; the message of Christ is still true and valid even if delivered by imperfect messenger.


Straycat. I agree with a lot of what you have to say however I think you are missing a big part of what bothers people about his situation. Freeze used God and Christianity in furtherance of his own personal ambitions and wanted others to live a life he was unwilling to live himself. Furthermore, it is well known he would call reporters behind the scenes and admonish them for challenging him or his alleged "faith" in public. The man is a false prophet in every sense, and this is why some people are reveling in his downfall.

True believers are easily identified by their actions, not their words. In my experience, people who feel the need to tell others what a good Christian they are, are the people who are running a con.


Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales

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Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2173066
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I guess it is possible that I've missed some interviews or speeches over the last 5 years. But I've never seen Freeze speak about how "good" of a Christian he is, never heard him spout that he was better than anyone else as far as faith is concerned. But he has publicly preached and promoted the need for Jesus and spoke to encourage young men to live right. Speaking up doesn't always mean that someone is self righteous. I've followed the program thru the media and I've attended multiple events and fundraisers where Freeze has spoken/preached. But perhaps I've missed it.

Was he living one way while talking a different way? Yes, apparently so. He really made some horrible decisions which are doing great damage on multiple fronts.

I'm not trying to protect him. But some of the comments I see are just inaccurate or speculative while others are enjoying the downfall. Freeze brought this on himself by not standing firm in the face of temptation. No way around that.

I think Ben Franklin (or someone else?) said this about heroes:

It's always best to choose a hero or role model from history (already dead) because the living can still disappoint you


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Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2173171
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To sum it up,Freeze is full of dookie.

Re: FREEZE GONE [Re: Rocket62] #2173421
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Originally Posted By: Rocket62
Nutt lost his job trying to catch a Nutt bust a nut?
FIFY


Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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