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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: snakebit] #2172419
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I believe in speaking in tongues.

There, y'all discuss that.

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Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer
I believe in speaking in tongues.

There, y'all discuss that.


Lol... You just threw in a wrench !!!

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Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer
I believe in speaking in tongues.

There, y'all discuss that.


Actual languages or just jibberish like that guy Tilton(?) does on tv?

Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2172441
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Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer
I believe in speaking in tongues.

There, y'all discuss that.


Shundai!

Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: 300gr] #2172442
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
It is implied the other thief believed Jesus was also who he said he was. Why wasn't he saved by belief only?


Satan "believes" in Jesus too. Is Satan saved?


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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: 300Ruger] #2172447
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Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer
I believe in speaking in tongues.

There, y'all discuss that.


Actual languages or just jibberish like that guy Tilton(?) does on tv?


There are divers kinds of tongues,which means different kinds for the unlearned. There are tongues which are understood as languages unknown to the speaker but known to the hearer,as on the day of Pentecost, and there are unknown tongues which Paul says in Corinthians that no man understands,howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

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Exactly. Saving faith , and intellectual faith are two different things. Lot's of people believe / agree ...few people truly have saving faith.

Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: BPI] #2172467
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Originally Posted By: BPI
Exactly. Saving faith , and intellectual faith are two different things. Lot's of people believe / agree ...few people truly have saving faith.


Yep

James 2:19King James Version (KJV) - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: BPI] #2172483
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In Corinthians the Lord revealed to Paul that the sign gifts would cease and in the letters written after Acts they did.

Whatever people mumble jumble about today is not the Spirit's gift of tongues. The Lord also warned in Matthew that experiences can be deceiving.


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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: 300Ruger] #2172497
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Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
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So Paul was saved prior to baptism. Really? Then how were his sins WASHED away when baptized. He still had sin until baptism . It's plain and in black and white.


It's symbolic. Actual water doesn't wash away sin any more than admitting your sins to some dude hiding behind a curtain and playing with a necklace.

Symbolic? Where does it say that? Back it up with scripture. It said why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away your sin. He had sin until the point if baptism not according to me or man's opinion or commentary. Black and White in the Bible no way someone with an open mind and simple understanding can miss.


Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: 300gr] #2172501
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
So Paul was saved prior to baptism. Really? Then how were his sins WASHED away when baptized. He still had sin until baptism . It's plain and in black and white.


It's symbolic. Actual water doesn't wash away sin any more than admitting your sins to some dude hiding behind a curtain and playing with a necklace.

Symbolic? Where does it say that? Back it up with scripture. It said why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away your sin. He had sin until the point if baptism not according to me or man's opinion or commentary. Black and White in the Bible no way someone with an open mind and simple understanding can miss.


The thief on the cross was not baptized but went to heaven. He confessed his sins and accepted Jesus as Lord.

And Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise.

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Originally Posted By: 300gr
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
So Paul was saved prior to baptism. Really? Then how were his sins WASHED away when baptized. He still had sin until baptism . It's plain and in black and white.


It's symbolic. Actual water doesn't wash away sin any more than admitting your sins to some dude hiding behind a curtain and playing with a necklace.

Symbolic? Where does it say that? Back it up with scripture. It said why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away your sin. He had sin until the point if baptism not according to me or man's opinion or commentary. Black and White in the Bible no way someone with an open mind and simple understanding can miss.


So explain how someone can posses the Holy Spirit and still be in sin ? That's the fly in the ointment.

Romans 8 / 9

" You, however are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."

This baptism event was specific to Paul, much like the road to Damascus was m even though his baptism wasn't aalvic.

We read in Mathew 19 16-30 About the rich young ruler. Jesus told him in black and white that he needed to sell all his possessions to enter the kingdom of heaven. It's there. Does that mean we all have to sell our possession to enter the kingdom of heaven ? Of course not. Context amigo...Context.

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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: 300gr] #2172507
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
Originally Posted By: 300gr
So Paul was saved prior to baptism. Really? Then how were his sins WASHED away when baptized. He still had sin until baptism . It's plain and in black and white.


It's symbolic. Actual water doesn't wash away sin any more than admitting your sins to some dude hiding behind a curtain and playing with a necklace.

Symbolic? Where does it say that? Back it up with scripture. It said why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away your sin. He had sin until the point if baptism not according to me or man's opinion or commentary. Black and White in the Bible no way someone with an open mind and simple understanding can miss.


Well, it's obvious you and I get different things from reading the Bible and then applying logic. If a dunk in water was the key to heaven then I have been absolved of my sins hundreds of times due to the holy diving board.

Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: Goatkiller] #2172522
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
In Corinthians the Lord revealed to Paul that the sign gifts would cease and in the letters written after Acts they did.

Whatever people mumble jumble about today is not the Spirit's gift of tongues. The Lord also warned in Matthew that experiences can be deceiving.


No sir,that's your misinterpretation. What Paul said is that when that which is perfect is come and we see face to face there will be no need for the gifts. That is when we will be face to face with the Lord.By your interpretation knowledge must also have ceased.

Peter also said on the day of Pentecost to the people that this gift was for them,their children and many that were far off as many as the Lord shall call.

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Gimme dat ol' time re-ligion!


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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: Squadron77] #2172541
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Originally Posted By: Squadron77
Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
Originally Posted By: 300gr
So Paul was saved prior to baptism. Really? Then how were his sins WASHED away when baptized. He still had sin until baptism . It's plain and in black and white.


It's symbolic. Actual water doesn't wash away sin any more than admitting your sins to some dude hiding behind a curtain and playing with a necklace.

Symbolic? Where does it say that? Back it up with scripture. It said why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away your sin. He had sin until the point if baptism not according to me or man's opinion or commentary. Black and White in the Bible no way someone with an open mind and simple understanding can miss.


The thief on the cross was not baptized but went to heaven. He confessed his sins and accepted Jesus as Lord.

And Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise.

As stated numerous times the argument about the thief is totally invalid. Research the word sacrifice. It is not complete until death. They didn't put sheep on alters and let them go before killing them because the sacrifice would be invald. It wouldn't be a sacrifice at all. Jesus had not died yet so the sacrifice was NOT complete. While on Earth he had all authority over people. He could forgive send,heal people,still the water,raise the dead etc. But until his death on the cross the old law was in effect.


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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: BPI] #2172546
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Originally Posted By: BPI
Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
Originally Posted By: 300gr
So Paul was saved prior to baptism. Really? Then how were his sins WASHED away when baptized. He still had sin until baptism . It's plain and in black and white.


It's symbolic. Actual water doesn't wash away sin any more than admitting your sins to some dude hiding behind a curtain and playing with a necklace.

Symbolic? Where does it say that? Back it up with scripture. It said why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away your sin. He had sin until the point if baptism not according to me or man's opinion or commentary. Black and White in the Bible no way someone with an open mind and simple understanding can miss.


So explain how someone can posses the Holy Spirit and still be in sin ? That's the fly in the ointment.

Romans 8 / 9

" You, however are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."

This baptism event was specific to Paul, much like the road to Damascus was m even though his baptism wasn't aalvic.

We read in Mathew 19 16-30 About the rich young ruler. Jesus told him in black and white that he needed to sell all his possessions to enter the kingdom of heaven. It's there. Does that mean we all have to sell our possession to enter the kingdom of heaven ? Of course not. Context amigo...Context.

Ok it's written unless one be born of water and spirit they cannot enter heaven.
He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved
Go ye therefore into all the world baptizing them...
What shall we do.. According to Peter in acts repent AND be baptized
Noah and his family (8 souls were saved by water the likeness baptism doth now save us)
There many more
How about the eunich? Here's water what hinders me from being baptized? He was told if he believed he could.
There will be those who try to rationalize when Christ said you have to be born of water and spirit that water meant umbilical fluid. How ridiculous that far assumption is.


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I have a question for the church of Christ folks..

Why is it so important to you to defend the belief that baptism is a necessary step in salvation? I don't know of a Protestant Christian denomination that doesn't baptize believers so by default we are saved even if we believe we were saved before we were baptized.

Is Church of Christ the only denomination



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Consider the story of Naaman. This man has leprosy and ask what must he do to be healed. He is told to dip in the Jordan River 7 times to be healed.Do you think the Jordan River had some healing qualities all of a sudden that would cure leprosy? I'm sure to him it sounded silly that getting in the river would cure his un curable disease,however he did it thru faith in God and he was healed. The water had nothing to do with but the faith that it would did. Baptism is no different.If you believe that Bible Water Baptism is for the remission of sins.
There isn't one example of a person praying and receiving salvation in the NT. I grew up in the Baptist church I completly understand where your coming from,but when I got older and began to study my Bible I saw many things were missing and other things had been added. I hope everybody goes to heaven and I'm no better than anyone. But why take a chance on doing things not in the Bible? We are told that on judgement many believers that had done many good thing in the name of religion are going to be lost? That scares me when thinking about eternity.

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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: Southwood7] #2172569
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Originally Posted By: Southwood7
I have a question for the church of Christ folks..

Why is it so important to you to defend the belief that baptism is a necessary step in salvation? I don't know of a Protestant Christian denomination that doesn't baptize believers so by default we are saved even if we believe we were saved before we were baptized.

Is Church of Christ the only denomination


You might as well give up. They will never go against their church doctrine and tradition.To do so they would have to give up their part in salvation.

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