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Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: 300Ruger] #2172002
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Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
I'm not sure how anyone can be "fisher's of men" with no bait on the hook. Old country churches like I grew up in have all but died out because the younger folks are numb from boredom when they go. Not saying that's anyone's fault - just a factual observation.


I disagree... We live in a small town and I have 13 teenagers in my class. I thought the same a few years ago until I started going to the CoC youth ralley in Pigeon Forge and saw 12,0000 teenagers show up.
I wanted to share the other day but figured it would end up in a religous debate but my oldest daughter stepped forward and was Baptized into Christ on 7/9. When she came forward two other teenagers came forward and 3 from the teenage class were Baptized into the Church. Thats a big deal for our small country congregation and I thought my heart was going to explode with joy. If I was ever going to have "FUN" in Church I reckon that was it.Our area in North Jackson and Southern Marion"TN" the young folks in church seems to be growing.


"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Originally Posted By: March15
I like a little of both. Serious question for the COC members here, do you listen to the radio in your truck? Do you listen to Christian music anywhere other than church? If so, is it acapella?

theres a difference between worship which is for God and whats for entertainment while driving. ? Of course people listen to the radio and multiple types of music.

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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
I'm not sure how anyone can be "fisher's of men" with no bait on the hook. Old country churches like I grew up in have all but died out because the younger folks are numb from boredom when they go. Not saying that's anyone's fault - just a factual observation.


I disagree... We live in a small town and I have 13 teenagers in my class. I thought the same a few years ago until I started going to the CoC youth ralley in Pigeon Forge and saw 12,0000 teenagers show up.
I wanted to share the other day but figured it would end up in a religous debate but my oldest daughter stepped forward and was Baptized into Christ on 7/9. When she came forward two other teenagers came forward and 3 from the teenage class were Baptized into the Church. Thats a big deal for our small country congregation and I thought my heart was going to explode with joy. If I was ever going to have "FUN" in Church I reckon that was it.Our area in North Jackson and Southern Marion"TN" the young folks in church seems to be growing.


Congratulations on your daughter's statement of faith and becoming a new person in Christ!


What exactly do you mean when you say she was "Baptized into the Church?"

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Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: March15
I like a little of both. Serious question for the COC members here, do you listen to the radio in your truck? Do you listen to Christian music anywhere other than church? If so, is it acapella?

Do you not realize thats not worship outside the church on sunday ?


Wait what....? You're telling me that I can't worship in my car, at my desk at work, or at my house while cooking?

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Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: March15
I like a little of both. Serious question for the COC members here, do you listen to the radio in your truck? Do you listen to Christian music anywhere other than church? If so, is it acapella?

Do you not realize thats not worship outside the church on sunday ?


Wait what....? You're telling me that I can't worship in my car, at my desk at work, or at my house while cooking?

are you focused on God totally while driving or driving? So you think you're pleasing him by not attending services?

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Originally Posted By: March15
I like a little of both. Serious question for the COC members here, do you listen to the radio in your truck? Do you listen to Christian music anywhere other than church? If so, is it acapella?


What we know from the Bible is the Church came together on the first day of the week and took the Lords Supper and gave of their means.There was teaching,singing and prayer.
The other 6 days of the week are not a Worship service. I see no problem in listening to the music you speak of outside of worship however I know some that do.


"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: March15
I like a little of both. Serious question for the COC members here, do you listen to the radio in your truck? Do you listen to Christian music anywhere other than church? If so, is it acapella?

Do you not realize thats not worship outside the church on sunday ?


Wait what....? You're telling me that I can't worship in my car, at my desk at work, or at my house while cooking?

are you focused on God totally while driving or driving? So you think you're pleasing him by not attending services?


I never said that I wasn't attending services. That's an assumption on your part. I'm just asking if you think that worship is confined to the church and only the church.

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Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
I'm not sure how anyone can be "fisher's of men" with no bait on the hook. Old country churches like I grew up in have all but died out because the younger folks are numb from boredom when they go. Not saying that's anyone's fault - just a factual observation.


I disagree... We live in a small town and I have 13 teenagers in my class. I thought the same a few years ago until I started going to the CoC youth ralley in Pigeon Forge and saw 12,0000 teenagers show up.
I wanted to share the other day but figured it would end up in a religous debate but my oldest daughter stepped forward and was Baptized into Christ on 7/9. When she came forward two other teenagers came forward and 3 from the teenage class were Baptized into the Church. Thats a big deal for our small country congregation and I thought my heart was going to explode with joy. If I was ever going to have "FUN" in Church I reckon that was it.Our area in North Jackson and Southern Marion"TN" the young folks in church seems to be growing.


Congratulations on your daughter's statement of faith and becoming a new person in Christ!


What exactly do you mean when you say she was "Baptized into the Church?"


She was Baptized for the remission of her sins and God added her to the Church. The same as when Peter preached the first Gospel sermon Acts 2:36-40. See we don't vote on a person becoming a christian or wait and baptize them when we have enough.Why? Because no where in the Bible is there a hint of anything like that.


"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer

Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
I'm not sure how anyone can be "fisher's of men" with no bait on the hook. Old country churches like I grew up in have all but died out because the younger folks are numb from boredom when they go. Not saying that's anyone's fault - just a factual observation.


I disagree... We live in a small town and I have 13 teenagers in my class. I thought the same a few years ago until I started going to the CoC youth ralley in Pigeon Forge and saw 12,0000 teenagers show up.
I wanted to share the other day but figured it would end up in a religous debate but my oldest daughter stepped forward and was Baptized into Christ on 7/9. When she came forward two other teenagers came forward and 3 from the teenage class were Baptized into the Church. Thats a big deal for our small country congregation and I thought my heart was going to explode with joy. If I was ever going to have "FUN" in Church I reckon that was it.Our area in North Jackson and Southern Marion"TN" the young folks in church seems to be growing.


Congratulations on your daughter's statement of faith and becoming a new person in Christ!


What exactly do you mean when you say she was "Baptized into the Church?"


She was Baptized for the remission of her sins and God added her to the Church. The same as when Peter preached the first Gospel sermon Acts 2:36-40. See we don't vote on a person becoming a christian or wait and baptize them when we have enough.Why? Because no where in the Bible is there a hint of anything like that.

there is also no example of an individual saying the "sinners prayer" and being saved.


Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
Originally Posted By: March15
I like a little of both. Serious question for the COC members here, do you listen to the radio in your truck? Do you listen to Christian music anywhere other than church? If so, is it acapella?


What we know from the Bible is the Church came together on the first day of the week and took the Lords Supper and gave of their means.There was teaching,singing and prayer.


Unless they had a piano at the Lord's Supper, I know at least a lot of Missionary Baptists that have been playing non-traditional music for a few hundred years.

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Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: March15
I like a little of both. Serious question for the COC members here, do you listen to the radio in your truck? Do you listen to Christian music anywhere other than church? If so, is it acapella?

theres a difference between worship which is for God and whats for entertainment while driving. ? Of course people listen to the radio and multiple types of music.


It seems to me that you are thinking that the Church is a Holy place where only worship music should be played in reverence to a Holy God.

In truth however where you go is just a building like any other building. You,the individual people are the Church. You are what is Holy and set apart.

It is wrong thinking to think "now I'm in Church and I act one way",now I'm out of Church and I can be myself". You are never in Church. You are the Church.

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Some (not all) COC believe that they are the only true church and that if you aren't a member of a COC church you are going to hell. Now before y'all jump on me I realize that not ALL of y'all believe that but a lot do. I have been told that since I wasn't baptized believing that the act was saving me that I wasn't going to heaven slap
My girlfriend in high school was Church of Christ and her dad was a youth minister at a church in Hoover. One summer I went with her to a youth rally in Birmingham. When the worship band came out the youth group just stood there expressionless, not singing and not moving. But most of them listened to Christian worship music in their car. It was/is just bizarre to me.



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“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”

Seeing that you are the real temple, it might be wise if you practice your non-musical instrument doctrine wherever you go. Remove all radios, TV's, and any other sources of music from your existence and wear ear plugs when you go to public places that have music. Otherwise, you are violating the very command that you are attempting to practice. This includes the wedding march and any other music being played as some allow as an exception. Either practice "your command" in full or not at all. It's the inconsistencies and double standards across the board that leave someone scratching their head.

The Psalmist David who was a man after God's own heart and from whom Jesus is of direct lineage spoke of the instruments with which we are to praise God. A trumpet will sound for the dead in Christ to rise. And as it has been mentioned, Revelation speaks of harps in heaven.

I couldn't care less if you have no music, spoons and a washboard, or the symphony orchestra in your services. But for God's sake, if you're going to profess something, you'd be more credible to follow through with it all the way.

Carry on!

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Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Some (not all) COC believe that they are the only true church and that if you aren't a member of a COC church you are going to hell. Now before y'all jump on me I realize that not ALL of y'all believe that but a lot do. I have been told that since I wasn't baptized believing that the act was saving me that I wasn't going to heaven slap
My girlfriend in high school was Church of Christ and her dad was a youth minister at a church in Hoover. One summer I went with her to a youth rally in Birmingham. When the worship band came out the youth group just stood there expressionless, not singing and not moving. But most of them listened to Christian worship music in their car. It was/is just bizarre to me.

I know where the misconception come into play. Only members of Christ's Body( his church) are saved. You are added to his church when you are saved. So if you are truly saved you are a member of his church. But belonging to a church with a certain name in itself will not save a soul.

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Originally Posted By: Runningdeer
“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”

Seeing that you are the real temple, it might be wise if you practice your non-musical instrument doctrine wherever you go. Remove all radios, TV's, and any other sources of music from your existence and wear ear plugs when you go to public places that have music. Otherwise, you are violating the very command that you are attempting to practice. This includes the wedding march and any other music being played as some allow as an exception. Either practice "your command" in full or not at all. It's the inconsistencies and double standards across the board that leave someone scratching their head.

The Psalmist David who was a man after God's own heart and from whom Jesus is of direct lineage spoke of the instruments with which we are to praise God. A trumpet will sound for the dead in Christ to rise. And as it has been mentioned, Revelation speaks of harps in heaven.

I couldn't care less if you have no music, spoons and a washboard, or the symphony orchestra in your services. But for God's sake, if you're going to profess something, you'd be more credible to follow through with it all the way.

Carry on!
I hope you are smarter than this post reveals as well as your hatred for followers of Christ. Obviously more time in the Bible is needed.WORSHIP is NOT the same as riding down the road with a radio blaring. And worship is on SUNDAY only as the Bible relates

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Originally Posted By: 300gr
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Some (not all) COC believe that they are the only true church and that if you aren't a member of a COC church you are going to hell. Now before y'all jump on me I realize that not ALL of y'all believe that but a lot do. I have been told that since I wasn't baptized believing that the act was saving me that I wasn't going to heaven slap
My girlfriend in high school was Church of Christ and her dad was a youth minister at a church in Hoover. One summer I went with her to a youth rally in Birmingham. When the worship band came out the youth group just stood there expressionless, not singing and not moving. But most of them listened to Christian worship music in their car. It was/is just bizarre to me.

I know where the misconception come into play. Only members of Christ's Body( his church) are saved. You are added to his church when you are saved. But belonging to a church with a certain name in itself will not save a soul.


So am I saved since I didn't believe my baptism saved me?



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Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Some (not all) COC believe that they are the only true church and that if you aren't a member of a COC church you are going to hell. Now before y'all jump on me I realize that not ALL of y'all believe that but a lot do. I have been told that since I wasn't baptized believing that the act was saving me that I wasn't going to heaven slap
My girlfriend in high school was Church of Christ and her dad was a youth minister at a church in Hoover. One summer I went with her to a youth rally in Birmingham. When the worship band came out the youth group just stood there expressionless, not singing and not moving. But most of them listened to Christian worship music in their car. It was/is just bizarre to me.

I know where the misconception come into play. Only members of Christ's Body( his church) are saved. You are added to his church when you are saved. But belonging to a church with a certain name in itself will not save a soul.


So am I saved since I didn't believe my baptism saved me?


the water isn't what saves you. Accepting Christ as your Savior and truly doing your best to live the way He has instructed is what saves you. The baptism is simply an outward showing of that acceptance. The proof that the water itself is irrelevant can be found in the criminal on the cross that got saved while hanging from the cross. He didn't get dunked/sprinkled, but he gave himself to Christ and was told by The Man himself that he was saved.


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Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Some (not all) COC believe that they are the only true church and that if you aren't a member of a COC church you are going to hell. Now before y'all jump on me I realize that not ALL of y'all believe that but a lot do. I have been told that since I wasn't baptized believing that the act was saving me that I wasn't going to heaven slap
My girlfriend in high school was Church of Christ and her dad was a youth minister at a church in Hoover. One summer I went with her to a youth rally in Birmingham. When the worship band came out the youth group just stood there expressionless, not singing and not moving. But most of them listened to Christian worship music in their car. It was/is just bizarre to me.

I know where the misconception come into play. Only members of Christ's Body( his church) are saved. You are added to his church when you are saved. But belonging to a church with a certain name in itself will not save a soul.


So am I saved since I didn't believe my baptism saved me?

This is what I believe personally .if a person has followed all that is laid out for being Saved then they are saved. Of course if they don't believe Jesus is God's son and was raised from the dead the they are not saved. I really question that every little thing is fully understood. That's why a person grows when they are saved. We are like a newborn baby. We need milk then meat of the word.


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I quit reading this after page one; figured it would eventually turn out like most aldeer church threads. But I couldn't resist checking again and it didn't disappoint. smile

I just can't resist saying that there ain't a person alive who could tell you exactly what a first century church service looked like. There is also no reason in the world to believe their services were the same all over. Things that happened in Corinth did not happen in Jerusalem.

Paul was regarded as a great apostle by the church over most of the Roman empire. But on his last trip to Jerusalem his very presence caused a wild riot, with men swearing they would neither eat nor drink until they killed him. And yet the early church had been in Jerusalem for decades without causing this to happen. That alone indicates the early church was very different from place to place. It's always been that way. It will remain that way til He comes back.


All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
Re: Contemporary vs. Traditional [Re: GomerPyle] #2172284
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Originally Posted By: GomerPyle
Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Originally Posted By: 300gr
Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Some (not all) COC believe that they are the only true church and that if you aren't a member of a COC church you are going to hell. Now before y'all jump on me I realize that not ALL of y'all believe that but a lot do. I have been told that since I wasn't baptized believing that the act was saving me that I wasn't going to heaven slap
My girlfriend in high school was Church of Christ and her dad was a youth minister at a church in Hoover. One summer I went with her to a youth rally in Birmingham. When the worship band came out the youth group just stood there expressionless, not singing and not moving. But most of them listened to Christian worship music in their car. It was/is just bizarre to me.

I know where the misconception come into play. Only members of Christ's Body( his church) are saved. You are added to his church when you are saved. But belonging to a church with a certain name in itself will not save a soul.


So am I saved since I didn't believe my baptism saved me?


the water isn't what saves you. Accepting Christ as your Savior and truly doing your best to live the way He has instructed is what saves you. The baptism is simply an outward showing of that acceptance. The proof that the water itself is irrelevant can be found in the criminal on the cross that got saved while hanging from the cross. He didn't get dunked/sprinkled, but he gave himself to Christ and was told by The Man himself that he was saved.


An outward showing of and inward work. The account of the thief on the cross is strong and undeniable.

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