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Clethodium on purple hull peas #2152092
06/29/17 02:59 AM
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I've got a slight nutsedge problem in my purple hulls, can I spray them with clethodium like I would IC peas?


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2152223
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Yes, but i don't think cleth will kill nutsedge. I may be remembering that wrong, but i think it will take gly, or 2,4,d to kill it and that will toast your pea's. All this rain really brings out the nutsedge.

Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2152310
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Image not 2,4D for nutsedge.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2152645
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If that is anything like what we call nut grass, nothing will kill it.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2152656
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You'll need sandea or permit, not sure what the label is on peas but it's labeled for green beans and it's pricey..iron might be your best option.

Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2152787
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Just for future reference, 2, 4 D kills broadleaf plants, not grasses.

For the discussion...

Regardless of price, what is the absolute best herbicide to kill Nutsedge, nutgrass, feral chuffa's or whatever you folks want to call it?

I let my garden lay out last year and sprayed it 4 or 5 times with 2 quarts of Roundup PowerMax + 16 ounces of non ionic surfactant, mixed at 2 quarts per 25 gallons. I saturdated the Nutsedge on every application. I've already sprayed it once this year and plan to spray it again this coming week. I had very few Nutsedge plants when I sprayed it the first time but after TS Chrisy came through it's all over again. I AM NOT GOING WITHOUT A GARDEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR. I want to kill this crap and be done with it.

I can't imagine how those nuts survived a catastrophic drought coupled with having no foliage to feed them for a year.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2152844
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Any tuberous plant is hard to kill. No matter what.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: 257wbymag] #2152862
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
Any tuberous plant is hard to kill. No matter what.


I'm thinking about fencing it in and putting some hogs on it.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2152896
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They'll just scatter it too


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: 257wbymag] #2153007
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This stuff will kill it, but it takes several applications and I have never been able to completely eradicate it from a field. It's not meant for gardens, so no telling what it will do to the stuff you wanna grow.

I've tried spraying it with 4 quarts of gly and the nutgrass just got greener. It ruins chufa fields and the only solution I've found is to move the field.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2153125
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I have heard from a friend who is in the asphalt business that nutsedge will grow in fresh laid asphalt. I could be wrong but I believe asphalt comes from the plant at around 300deg F. It's crazy to think that a weed could survive that.

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I think the nut sedge grows through the asphalt, not in it.

Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2153213
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image herbicide will kill nutsedge very well, not sure on the peas though


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2153271
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Yea, i know 2,4,d is for broadleafs but i new cleth wouldn't kill it and couldn't remember what would.

Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: FurFlyin] #2153643
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Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
Just for future reference, 2, 4 D kills broadleaf plants, not grasses.

For the discussion...

Regardless of price, what is the absolute best herbicide to kill Nutsedge, nutgrass, feral chuffa's or whatever you folks want to call it?

I let my garden lay out last year and sprayed it 4 or 5 times with 2 quarts of Roundup PowerMax + 16 ounces of non ionic surfactant, mixed at 2 quarts per 25 gallons. I saturdated the Nutsedge on every application. I've already sprayed it once this year and plan to spray it again this coming week. I had very few Nutsedge plants when I sprayed it the first time but after TS Chrisy came through it's all over again. I AM NOT GOING WITHOUT A GARDEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR. I want to kill this crap and be done with it.

I can't imagine how those nuts survived a catastrophic drought coupled with having no foliage to feed them for a year.

Fur, is the ground just fallow field right now?

For killing nutsedge, my preference:
1) Sulfosulfuron (Outrider). Absolute best IMO
2) Trifloxysulfuron (Maverick or Envoke are two trade names)
3) halosulfuron (Sedgehammer, Sandea)
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2041). Imazaquin (image, this trade name may have changed)


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2153715
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007, yes. Most of it anyway. I have a few tomato plants on one end but I can not spray around them.

How long after I spray will it be safe to plant. I don't want to grow any extra fingers or nipples.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2154124
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I would go with Halosulfuron. It is shorter-lived than trifloxysulfuron and has some veggies on the label. Sulfosulfuron is very short-lived also, but not sure if there is a label for garden plants. How long really depends on what you plant. You likely will need to treat the nutsedge a second time, but a month may work, again depending on what you plant.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2154140
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Sandea is a fine product.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: 007] #2154143
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Originally Posted By: 007

Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
Just for future reference, 2, 4 D kills broadleaf plants, not grasses.

For the discussion...

Regardless of price, what is the absolute best herbicide to kill Nutsedge, nutgrass, feral chuffa's or whatever you folks want to call it?

I let my garden lay out last year and sprayed it 4 or 5 times with 2 quarts of Roundup PowerMax + 16 ounces of non ionic surfactant, mixed at 2 quarts per 25 gallons. I saturdated the Nutsedge on every application. I've already sprayed it once this year and plan to spray it again this coming week. I had very few Nutsedge plants when I sprayed it the first time but after TS Chrisy came through it's all over again. I AM NOT GOING WITHOUT A GARDEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR. I want to kill this crap and be done with it.

I can't imagine how those nuts survived a catastrophic drought coupled with having no foliage to feed them for a year.

Fur, is the ground just fallow field right now?

For killing nutsedge, my preference:
1) Sulfosulfuron (Outrider). Absolute best IMO
2) Trifloxysulfuron (Maverick or Envoke are two trade names)
3) halosulfuron (Sedgehammer, Sandea)
.
.
.
.
2041). Imazaquin (image, this trade name may have changed)


You have told me before to try Outrider, but I never have been able to make myself pull the trigger on buying it. Here it is for anyone interested:

https://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/in...products_id=689

$429 for 20 oz is pretty steep, but I guess I should get some. I've used up all the Sandea. In my infected fields, I've tried planting half the field in chufas and the other half in RR corn, and spraying the corn with gly and Sandea, then rotating it the next year. It hasn't worked. The Sandea will top kill the nutgrass, but the next year when I try to grow chufas on the land the nutgrass seems just as bad as ever.

If I just left the field fallow and hit it with Outrider a couple of times, do you think that would wipe out the nutgrass for good? It would be worth the money if it would do that. Thanks for any ideas.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but nutgrass is a plague on humanity. The eggheads that say chufas and nutgrass are the same plant are living in an alternate universe.


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Re: Clethodium on purple hull peas [Re: Turkeymaster] #2154184
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Permit, or halosulfuron, should be cheaper than Sandea. Also cheaper than Outrider, but again, not quite as good.
I have found that treating nutsedge, allowing new shoots to emerge and treating again in early fall, will control it 90% +. I think the mistake people make is treating it once then tilling or planting after they think it is dead, and this just allows it to recover. Also, by treating in the fall, the top growth and metabolism slows, allowing the herbicide to work on it even more. This is also generally true for many of the perennial grasses like johnsongrass, dalliagrass, etc.
So, PCP, to answer your question, I think if you leave it fallow, treat it in Late July or early August, then treat regrowth again in September, you will be much more pleased with the result. I won't bet on complete control as I never count out nutsedge, but it should be much improved.
Also, don't skimp on the rate. I see that all the time because cost is so high. I would go with 1.33 oz/A and follow up with another app at the same rate.


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