Clem, you nailed it. There needs to be a balance I agree. But, for landowners to totally loose used of their property because of the grass, that is unacceptable. Slough where I grew up in is TOTALLY not navigable. Hell, even the APCO air boat that was here few weeks back coming up the slough turned around before it got to my parents house because of choked out weeds. There needs to be some plans to deal with this issue.
Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: Drake322]
#2134420 06/09/1709:31 AM06/09/1709:31 AM
I agree about getting a user group stakeholder association or whatever y'all want to call it formally organized and in sync about what you'd like to see done, before talking with APCO in any way.
Personally, I wouldn't want to see chemicals dumped in the water. They're only good for 3-4 years, I think, before the big return happens and then you have to do it again. Unless you do it every year. And although aquatic herbicides are "safe" and whatnot, WTF wants more chemicals in our water?
IMO figuring out some way to cut it with the mechanical harvesters would be the best presentation. Herbicides are easier -- just look at the Alabama DOT and what it does on road rights-of-way with spraying vs. mowing. But again, I don't think folks want herbicides used when alternatives may (big word, may) be better.
But the first thing to do is for y'all to meet, discuss (hopefully calmly), kick around ideas, not go to the extreme either way, and then be together when you talk with APCO or Gadsden or whomever. Probably would be good, if you got a group together, to get the state aquatic biologist from DCNR there to offer insight. APCO may have one, too.
And definitely flip and frog the coontail.
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Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: Clem]
#2134459 06/09/1710:20 AM06/09/1710:20 AM
I agree about getting a user group stakeholder association or whatever y'all want to call it formally organized and in sync about what you'd like to see done, before talking with APCO in any way.
Personally, I wouldn't want to see chemicals dumped in the water. They're only good for 3-4 years, I think, before the big return happens and then you have to do it again. Unless you do it every year. And although aquatic herbicides are "safe" and whatnot, WTF wants more chemicals in our water?
IMO figuring out some way to cut it with the mechanical harvesters would be the best presentation. Herbicides are easier -- just look at the Alabama DOT and what it does on road rights-of-way with spraying vs. mowing. But again, I don't think folks want herbicides used when alternatives may (big word, may) be better.
But the first thing to do is for y'all to meet, discuss (hopefully calmly), kick around ideas, not go to the extreme either way, and then be together when you talk with APCO or Gadsden or whomever. Probably would be good, if you got a group together, to get the state aquatic biologist from DCNR there to offer insight. APCO may have one, too.
And definitely flip and frog the coontail.
I know a guy who has a mechanical harvester...he retired from being an electrician offshore (great pay) to do aquatic growth management fulltime (even better pay!). Problem is, he's in Louisiana. He'd come to Alabama, I'm sure, but there would need to be a group of people ready to do business at the same time to make it worth the windshield time. He can cut up to 4' below the surface, I think. It'll eventually grow back, but there's no poisons involved, and there's a balance between maintaining a usable waterway and a productive habitat.
He can also do aquatic backhoe and dredging work, bank/marshy area cleanup, and doesn't need a ramp or launch to get into the water.
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Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: Drake322]
#2134550 06/09/1711:51 AM06/09/1711:51 AM
My family's 50yr old swimming hole on lay got chocked out by coontail this yr. Last weekend a few folks put their swim suits on and cleaned it out. No phone calls, no meetings, no herbicides, no problems.
Unless that cove was filled with mud and rock it's still navigable, it takes a whole bunch of thick mats to slow down a boat.
My family's 50yr old swimming hole on lay got chocked out by coontail this yr. Last weekend a few folks put their swim suits on and cleaned it out. No phone calls, no meetings, no herbicides, no problems.
Unless that cove was filled with mud and rock it's still navigable, it takes a whole bunch of thick mats to slow down a boat.
The slough from the front to the very back is about 1/4 mile. Half way down is where the thick mats start and NO navigation. I has mud so thick that you would sink up to your sack. No way to get a case of beer and few friends and pull weeds up.
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[Re: Drake322]
#2135015 06/10/1708:33 AM06/10/1708:33 AM
Unsure if the vegetation chopper boat thingies can chew up the coontail since it's not as hearty-thick as hydrilla. Anyone know? It may indeed require something herbicidal to knock it back.
Friend of mine has a small lake with a stringy plant growing in it. Not hyd-mil-coon and not slimy algae, although that is in there, too. Fish don't get in it, either, green or dead. Grows along the banks about 3-4 feet out.
The floating duckweed I don't mind. Whatever this stringy chit is sucks donkey balls.
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Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
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#2135102 06/10/1710:40 AM06/10/1710:40 AM
Clem, it has a rake to gather cut or floating vegetation, and a sicklebar on a hydraulic boom to do the actual cutting, up to 4' below the water surface, IIRC. This is David at work...
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Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
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#2135742 06/11/1712:32 PM06/11/1712:32 PM
Pretty sure the harvester will cut coontail...not because I've seen it cut coontail...but because I've seen them cut all sorts of mixed vegetation up North
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Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: Drake322]
#2136314 06/12/1710:29 AM06/12/1710:29 AM
Not good? Are you kidding? Having grass, any grass increases the fish population. Grass takes schools of deep water fish and puts them in a catchable range. Why do you think Guntersville has remained a wonderful fishery so long? SMH
Our grass here has gotten out of control. There are so many sloughs that have been choked out by grass and some land owners have lost use. Some grass is good, but APCO needs to do some more control.
I fish Neely all the time but do not know of any area that is chocked off where you can't fish? What area has this much grass? I wish Neely had more grass (hydrila/milfoil) makes for great fishing.
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[Re: sigep1967]
#2136742 06/13/1701:37 AM06/13/1701:37 AM
Not good? Are you kidding? Having grass, any grass increases the fish population. Grass takes schools of deep water fish and puts them in a catchable range. Why do you think Guntersville has remained a wonderful fishery so long? SMH
Our grass here has gotten out of control. There are so many sloughs that have been choked out by grass and some land owners have lost use. Some grass is good, but APCO needs to do some more control.
I fish Neely all the time but do not know of any area that is chocked off where you can't fish? What area has this much grass? I wish Neely had more grass (hydrila/milfoil) makes for great fishing.
Sir, I have to 100% disagree. WE need no more grass. WE DO NEED better management of the grass here. I can show you no less than three sloughs from 77 bridge and Minesotta Bend that have many areas that are not navigable in all areas because of the grass.
Not good? Are you kidding? Having grass, any grass increases the fish population. Grass takes schools of deep water fish and puts them in a catchable range. Why do you think Guntersville has remained a wonderful fishery so long? SMH
Perch, let's split this up into two sections. Fish and navigation/use. Fishing does get better with a certain amount of grass I will agree. But for a landowner here, loosing use of your valuable waterfront property because the grass has grown so thick you cannot access pier/boathouse that is unacceptable. IMO.
Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: Drake322]
#2136807 06/13/1702:58 AM06/13/1702:58 AM
From experience seeing how things happened with the Roseberry Creek group at Guntersville a few years ago, I'd highly highly recommend getting everyone together for discussions and not just mad landowners looking for relief.
That's what happened there. The anglers were left out of the mix, and instead of coming up with some civil ideas about solutions it turned into Us vs. Them and the landowners basically said "we pay the taxes, fu*k all you other people." And that's not a good way of doing things.
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Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: sigep1967]
#2136889 06/13/1704:55 AM06/13/1704:55 AM
Those are all really shallow if I am looking at the right ones like 1-2 feet at most in the back. They are going to fill with some sort of growth no matter what is done.
Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: sigep1967]
#2137164 06/13/1711:18 AM06/13/1711:18 AM
Those are all really shallow if I am looking at the right ones like 1-2 feet at most in the back. They are going to fill with some sort of growth no matter what is done.
There was no growth until they started keeping the water up all year and allowed the seeds to not die off. They used to no be that shallow. Most of the impassable parts start about 2' and then go down from there.
Re: Hydrilla on Neely Henry
[Re: Drake322]
#2137199 06/13/1711:58 AM06/13/1711:58 AM
Is that hydrilla baler still working in Honeycomb? Drake I saw the results of CRAZY landowners on Conroe. While I agree they have the right to have areas around docks clear, but that wasn't enough. They filled Conroe with Asian Carp. They also sprayed at night with choppers. They weren't happy till there was no grass left. There was a big bass factory in and area known as THE JUNGLE on Livingston. It was a stump and standing timber area. What purpose does it serve to kill it in these type areas?
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Is that hydrilla baler still working in Honeycomb? Drake I saw the results of CRAZY landowners on Conroe. While I agree they have the right to have areas around docks clear, but that wasn't enough. They filled Conroe with Asian Carp. They also sprayed at night with choppers. They weren't happy till there was no grass left. There was a big bass factory in and area known as THE JUNGLE on Livingston. It was a stump and standing timber area. What purpose does it serve to kill it in these type areas?
Let me again say I am not against a TOTAL kill of the grass. I will be the first to tell you I have caught some of my biggest bass out of the grass Perchjerker. Hell, I have caught some great bream (perch) on a flyrod growing up on some of the, in my time, native grasses. What I am tired of is seeing places like my Dad and Momma's old slough be choked out with grass.
Yes, they have filled in some areas with as much as 3' of silt. Some caused by crop field runoff and some by not having a winter draw down to let the sloughs-creeks clean. SMDH. I agree with Clem, there needs to be a joint effort in a way to control this for fishing, recreation, and power generation.