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Opinions on mud motors in regard to... #2123420
05/26/17 01:23 PM
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Reliability of surface drives vs. long tails.

I used to have a small longtail a couple years ago but never owned a surface drive.

I am aware of the differences performance wise, but are longtails considerably less likely to break?

I am thinking about purchasing something new. Not sure which one I want to go with.

What do yall think? I want something that ain't gonna break easy.

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I have a pro-drive 36hp and it has taken a beating with no issues

Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2124108
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Had and will never own a mud buddy. Go pro drive my opinion

Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2124709
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Had a positive when I lived in Louisiana. Never had a single issue and it was run hard a put up wet a ton.

Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2125701
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The twisterXL from mud buddy is a nice system buy a 13hp honda to put on it and it will do work.


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Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2125788
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For the hard bottom in Alabama, long tail all the way. If we had mud here like they have in Louisiana then a surface drive would be the way to go. A surface drive has way more parts that can break. For all out reliability a long tail wins every time. For speed surface drives win.


Yeah c’mon. Daniel White
Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: tfd1224] #2127411
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For use in Alabama an outboard with a jack plate. I've seen Cajuns run the correct Outboard setup and run just as shallow as anything would run in Alabama. I have owned them all starting with a 80's Go Devil even had dual Gator Tails.

They are fine for heavy milfoil and lilies but you aren't going to ride through mud like you see on the videos in Louisiana around here.

Some of the boats on Reelfoot with us have an outboard AND a longtail setup on them.

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Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2127508
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Im moving to Baldwin county. I hunted the lower delta a lot this past year and it made me wish I still had my longtail. Not necessarily always shallow but lots of grass to contend with. Takes a good 5-10 mins to go through 200 yards thick stuff with my outboard

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Goatkiller- I don't have a jack plate. I run a flat bottom alweld with a short shaft outboard. Prop sits about 1.5 in. below where it should. What would you recommend I do?

Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2135791
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My gator tail has held up well. Bought it back in 2011, I've had to put 2 clutches on it, both under warranty, but other than that no issues. Motors a pretty reliable, especially if left stock. I ran a modded motor from day one, got about 250 hours outa it and had to do a powerhead replacement. I have about 150 hours on this powerhead with no issues. I used to hunt the upper delta some and the areas around the causeway a good bit. Hunting the upper delta you would be ok with an outboard, down south I like having the surface drive.
I've used the longtails as well and they are jam up, not near as much working parts to tear up as a surface drive. They are a good bit slower and involve a little more work to drive.

Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2136275
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Is this just for general Use or what are you trying to navigate the boat through, i.e. beaver ponds/creeks with a small boat, run down the main river a mile and then cross a 100 yard stump flat? Lake full of weeds like Guntersville?


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Mobile delta so lots of grass flats

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Grass. That's the toughest call. Something like a Gator Tail or Pro Drive would certainly fit the bill, however they suck riding long distances through open water and I don't think they are in their element on a remote steer setup. You need tiller on a mud motor.

I am not familiar with the Mobile Delta's backwaters so I don't know if the grass is matted all the way to the surface or a lot is underwater and how thick.

If it is real thick and matted on the surface only thing that will go through that is a mud motor or an airboat. Even with a tunnel you'll channel that grass up into prop if it is all on the surface. If it is 3-6 inches underwater.... now you can get into jack plate and outboard discussion. Combo Jack Plate and Breakaway plate. Your going to slow way down and put put through the shallows but you'll do pretty well even with a lot of trash in the water as long as you don't go fast hit a stump and mess up the foot on the motor. If you had a tunnel hull You can also build a knife into the tunnel to cut through lilies and keep trash from getting channeled into the prop.

What it really boils down to is how much of the ride is actually going to be in the grass. 3 miles across the bay, up a short canal and then a couple hundred yards across a grass flat... if we left the ramp at the same time I can get there and push pole the majority that kinda distance before you could get there with a mud motor.

Longtails suck in open water. Slow. Heavy. Hard to steer and will generally wear you out. They pop out of the water in waves and you just have to generally wrestle with them. So I would rule that out unless you are putting in the boat close to where you are going. They do work better on a hard bottom than a surface drive though.


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Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: Goatkiller] #2137341
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
Grass. That's the toughest call. Something like a Gator Tail or Pro Drive would certainly fit the bill, however they suck riding long distances through open water and I don't think they are in their element on a remote steer setup. You need tiller on a mud motor.

I am not familiar with the Mobile Delta's backwaters so I don't know if the grass is matted all the way to the surface or a lot is underwater and how thick.

If it is real thick and matted on the surface only thing that will go through that is a mud motor or an airboat. Even with a tunnel you'll channel that grass up into prop if it is all on the surface. If it is 3-6 inches underwater.... now you can get into jack plate and outboard discussion. Combo Jack Plate and Breakaway plate. Your going to slow way down and put put through the shallows but you'll do pretty well even with a lot of trash in the water as long as you don't go fast hit a stump and mess up the foot on the motor. If you had a tunnel hull You can also build a knife into the tunnel to cut through lilies and keep trash from getting channeled into the prop.

What it really boils down to is how much of the ride is actually going to be in the grass. 3 miles across the bay, up a short canal and then a couple hundred yards across a grass flat... if we left the ramp at the same time I can get there and push pole the majority that kinda distance before you could get there with a mud motor.

Longtails suck in open water. Slow. Heavy. Hard to steer and will generally wear you out. They pop out of the water in waves and you just have to generally wrestle with them. So I would rule that out unless you are putting in the boat close to where you are going. They do work better on a hard bottom than a surface drive though.

Depends on what longtail you have. I can drive mine sitting down and with one hand.


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I'd like to see that what kind and how big is the engine?


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Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2137947
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My pro drive 36hp will make a man out of you.

Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2143838
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I had a long tail mudbuddy when I duck hunted. It wasnt the easiest thing to handle but it wasn't horrible once you learn to handle them. That joker never once got stuck. The backwaters here can get rough-tons of grass, huge stumps, thick mud, super shallow water. I was rough on it and it never missed a lick. Hyperdrives would outrun me, but I've yet to see anyone around here do with a hyperdrive what I did with my long-tail... With all of that said, if I ever buy another duck boat it will have a Surface drive/hyper drive type motor, I would want the speed.


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Re: Opinions on mud motors in regard to... [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2143888
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I've got a copperhead 23hp on a little 16' Jon boat and hunt every place there is to duck hunt here in Jackson county. The only times I've been stuck is on a beaver dam in Russel Pike when the water was super low. I get in and out everywhere I want to. Drives like an outboard, pushes that boat about 25 mph with a lightish load, and hardly ever gets stuck. I bought the copperhead because weight was an issue on this boat. Wanted lightest engine with the highest hp available. The boat is big enough to hunt open river in rough water, but small enough to get up tiny creeks to beaver ponds and flooded timber. It's served me well

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I've had a mud motor since about the mid 1980's. I had a Go-Devil with dual longtails at one time. You couldn't stick that thing. Just sucked to drive it. After I had dual Pro Drive Double LL tiller steer then Dual Gator Tails remote steer.

You really can't beat something like that 23 Surface Drive on a smaller boat for just getting where you want to go. The bigger boats just get stuck a LOT worse.


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I've been running the same Mud Buddy 35Hp hyper for around 12 years now... never even had to replace the belt (I know, it'll happen opening morning this year). There are a few situations where I'd like to have a longtail again but I hunt a lot of open water and making long drives make it impractical.


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